Only the first half of that is true: he is definitely gonna try to pardon everyone. He doesn't care about legal drama, he thrives off it. He will pardon everyone if he's still president when the convictions go down.
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Only the first half of that is true: he is definitely gonna try to pardon everyone. He doesn't care about legal drama, he thrives off it. He will pardon everyone if he's still president when the convictions go down.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Which is why they're gunning for some state charges.
I actually don't think he will pardon everyone. Flynn, Kushner, and Don Jr. for sure. But I think if Manafort is charged with something, he won't step in to save him. Trump obstructed justice and has inadvertently risked his presidency to intervene on Flynn's behalf, whereas he has spent the year pretending like he barely knows who Manafort even is.
Aaron Strife
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"The President can just pardon himself, right?"
*nvm that NY state government can destroy the lives of all involved
Did you ask them "Pardon everyone from what?"
I imagine the mental gymnastics that would result from that would be something else.
1. State Charges
2. Not yet challenged if a president can pardon themselves. (I'd wager the current Supreme Court would rule against it)
VendettaRed07
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Has anyone who has gotten a presidential pardon been convicted by state governments? I know it's possible but it doesn't seem like there have been attempts.
Mark Andrew
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After dealing with this for as long as I have, all I can do is laugh nervously and pretend to be on my phone.
Ziltoidia 9
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Best pardon "the crew" before they actually present information to public that aren't from leaks.
Constitutional scholars and law professors are probably having a really exciting time because now they get to see how all these previously untested things might be tested in the courts.
Not to say that they're ecstatic, but it's very interesting times for the US law world.
So the last we heard re: repeal was no action this week, it would have to pass next week. McConnell was less than commital on bringing up the bill despite much enthusiasm from other Republicans in the Senate. McCain cant seem to make up his damn mind even though this process is flying in the face of the reason that made him abandon skinny repeal. Paul Ryan will pass the bill if the Senate does. Some Republicans are paranoid that block grants will be used for single payer in blue states, even though thats really not going to be possible but theyre introducing amendments in the House to curb it anyway because theyre incredibly dumb. Rand Paul is still a wildcard but history suggests he will vote with his party anyway. Oh and the bipartisan fix has been shut down.
Did I miss anything?
I just wonder if Mitch was less than commital in terms of it just being too early or if he doesnt want to bring it up, period. If youre trying to twist Joe Manchins arm you either dont have the votes or you might and youre just being cocky and overzealous.
Did I miss anything?
I just wonder if Mitch was less than commital in terms of it just being too early or if he doesnt want to bring it up, period. If youre trying to twist Joe Manchins arm you either dont have the votes or you might and youre just being cocky and overzealous.
A system in which the President can pardon himself would be an absurdity. Even the originalists would have to concede that there is no way the founders intended the President to have the ability to be functionally above the law.
Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito will bend in any direction they need to to protect Trump.
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They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
I only hope some of Manafort's extensive crimes took place in New York. Unless I've misunderstood how Schneiderman would get involved, in which case I hope they took place everywhere.
Fenderputty
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That's why I was discussing actual negative externalities instead of perceived ones.
Yes I understand, that train of thought can be extended out to stupid conclusions. I'm not interested in doing that though. I'm interested in making sure that if/when borders are opened the labor isn't exploited and that these resources benefit everyone and not just the wealthy. Similar to how globalization is beneficial but currently benefits the weathier more. I'm not interested in stopping globalization, but refining it.
I'm for an open border policy, I'm just wondering if their are better or worse ways to implement it
Nomadic Sparks
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How fucked is medicaid/Medicare if this bill is passed?
Medicaid is going to be worse off than it was pre-ACA if this garbage passes.
I dont believe the bill touches Medicare but lots of people are on Medicaid because it suits them better than Medicare, so if this bill becomes law and interferes with that I dont know how that will impact Medicare
balladofwindfishes
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I don't think Medicare is being touched, but Medicaid is basically being defunded to the point of death
Nomadic Sparks
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Goddamnit
More people will have coverage, but please pay no attention to whatever the CBO says about coverage.
Can you summarize what his reasons for opposition are? I'm just still expecting him to flip so I'm curious what his statements were about at this stage.
Rand Paul translation: "You haven't flipped McCain and I don't think you're going to"
This is why I think there should be punishments for government officials lying. If I remember right, there was even that one congress man that asked Comey if it was a crime to lie to the press during one of his hearings who went on and lied to the press right after.
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He was on Fox and Friends and said he would "vote for repeal, but cannot vote for something that is not really repeal."
BoogieWoogie
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Basically. Didn't Paul vote for the Skinny Repeal shit the first time?
He did, but couched that in saying he'd vote skinny repeal if McConnell put up full repeal for a vote first. Whether you believe that...
Poodlestrike
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He traded a vote on skinny repeal for the chance to vote on clean repeal. Now that he has a clean repeal vote on his record, I'm not sure that lever will work again.
Thanks. I figured it was the "This doesn't go far enough..." angle.
Yeah he did.
Didn't research show straight-up repeal would actually be better than the bills Republicans have been trying to pass?
Poodlestrike
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It's worth noting that while Paul absolutely does vote with his party most of the time, his political currency of choice is the appearance of distance from "mainstream republicans," and this is a really good opportunity for him to rack up a lot of it. It's a deeply unpopular bill that would destroy his state, and it might not even pass anyway? That's a lot of what he likes to see.
Besides, his name alone makes him mostly primary-proof.
Yeah. Straight repeal doesn't fuck over pre-ACA Medicaid funding like all of these other ones.
Besides, his name alone makes him mostly primary-proof.
Yeah. Straight repeal doesn't fuck over pre-ACA Medicaid funding like all of these other ones.
Deuce Deuce
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*exhale*. More of this kind of talk from Paul, please.
Poodlestrike
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I say Paul because Paul Ryan is just Ryan.
These two first name ass motherfuckers...
(Although I guess technically Rand Paul has a last name as his first name and a first name as his last name and fuck him for that, too.)
These interviews about the new healthcare bill are loony tunes.
a small sample:
another one:
nice circular logic.
a small sample:
another one:
nice circular logic.
Fuck off Roberts
Poodlestrike
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Those first two lines sorta sum up Conservative legislation, huh?
VendettaRed07
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Call him Rand because there's only one Paul. Rand doesn't even have "it's happening", "Bunker", or "Sad loser chair", meme's to show for his last name.
Poodlestrike
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I think he's comparing Obamacare to the Thelma and Louise car, and Graham Cassidy to a hypothetical other car that's driving alongside them that they have to jump into even though it's on fire and apparently keeping pace with the cliff-divers which doesn't say GREAT things about it?
Build the.....?
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/910521869333356545
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/910521504944844800
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/910521869333356545
Trump voters approve 45 to 39 of Trump cutting a deal w/ Schumer/Pelosi on DACA
https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/910521504944844800
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Not surprising. Even most Republicans think it's a dick move to screw over dreamers.
Sure that's safe to safe till you recall Trump voters were literally that 30% tea party type fringe who were adamantly opposed to it initially. It's like the voter base for Trump is completely vapid on the issues so long as their commander in chief gives it the orange thumbs up or something. Shocking
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