VendettaRed07
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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Joe Shlabotnik
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The 25th amendment is how the executive branch (the Cabinet) removes a President. At least temporarily.
Congress does it through impeachment.
Congress does vote on whether to reinstate the President if he claims he is fit for office, though.
RustyNails
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Cambridge Analytica is under investigation. Bye Kushy.
BoogieWoogie
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The Turtle renegging on getting rid of the blue slips:
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/mitch-mcconnell-has-a-plan-to-pave-the-judiciary-for-donald-trump/
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/mitch-mcconnell-has-a-plan-to-pave-the-judiciary-for-donald-trump/
benicillin
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How are they all SUCH A MESS.
BlastProcessing
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The 25th says that it takes the VP plus a majority vote of the Cabinet or any other body the House chooses.
So if the House wanted to, they could kick the decision to the Girl Scouts of America if they saw fit, but no matter what, it has to start with the VP's agreement.
Please link this stuff.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Grassley also told the press today that he's the head of Senate Judiciary, not Mitch McConnell. So that's fun.
BoogieWoogie
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He's scared of the stairs that aren't there.
Nah. That's a conversation that sincerely needs to happen.
By the House committee, not Mueller, per the Daily Beast article. Not quite worth getting excited over yet.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
That Vanity Fair article is creating a bit of dissonance for me. Somewhere between Hopium and OHFUCKIUM.
smokeandmirrors
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and cars
Help me out here... I was listening to the great Newt Gingrich yesterday on Hannity (yes, I listen every day) and he was saying that the tax plan could be passed under reconciliation rules. I thought they could no longer push any legislation through utilizing it? Didn't it expire 9/30?
BoogieWoogie
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Why the hell would you do that to yourself? Every day??
Reconciliation can be used for different things essentially. Their deadline for healthcare was September 30th, the deadline for taxes is December or something. Good luck getting a tax bill through though when they bombed healthcare, taxes are much harder.
Mark Andrew
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Theyd be temporary under reconciliation as well, as far as Ive been told. So literally just a tax cut instead of actual reform.
Aaron Strife
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tbf I dont think we should get rid of the filibuster is a ringing endorsement for the status quo. More just saying Democrats approach, which still has been too feeble in some regards, has paid more dividends than McConnells fuck you Im in charge approach thus far.
In fact part of McConnells problem has not just been stomping over the minority party members but senators within his own party as well so maybe hes just particularly incompetent rather than a broad statement on bipartisan collaboration. Just saying McCain was friends with Democrats and came through on keeping ACA.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
25th amendment only requires a simple majority from the cabinet, right?
They absolutely have to do this. It is fucking frightening.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Are the bottom half of all these technically his cabinet?
Asking because I think it's time we start a headcount on who can be moved to invoke the 25th.
I could be, and probably am, wrong on this but I believe you can use the budget reconciliation once per fiscal year, and the previous fiscal year expired on Sept. 30th. They could technically try another ACA repeal through reconciliation again between now and next September, but then they'd lose their shot at doing tax reform through reconciliation. Which is why they wanted repeal and replace done before the 30th -- they could use the last fiscal year's reconciliation on healthcare, and this fiscal year's reconciliation on taxes. Now they have to choose between the two.
StopMakingSense
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Remind me, why did Bannon get fired/quit?
Greigor The Fellhand
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to search and run GOp candidates that are Pro Trump and will do whatever.
to research and try to undermine Mueller/team/investigation
to do super sketchy shit that he couldnt get away with as a public servant
skullmuffins
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Yeah. In theory they could do permanent tax reform through reconciliation as long as it reduced the deficit, but since Republicans are mainly interested in slashing taxes for rich people and corporations that's not an option.
The VP + a majority of the cabinet, but if the president contests it, 2/3 of both the house and the senate have to vote to keep him out.
BoogieWoogie
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All wrong. He got fired because a.) he said something bad about Trump and b.) Kelly most likely pushed his ass out.
I'm so tired of the narrative of "He left to become stronger" bullshit.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm an incrementalist, get rid of the presidency and cars will follow
BlastProcessing
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The VP plus a majority. No matter what the Cabinet says, the VP must agree.
I want to know what the other side is thinking... And let me tell you- They're scared right now.
Hannity is of the belief (and Newt agrees) that this Congress won't get anything passed, and that they're going to get obliterated in the 2018 elections because of it.
I guess I was confused about the reconciliation rules. I guess they can just change them on the fly?
But the removed party can be restored within 30 days by contesting the removal, unless the Senate votes to approve the removal.
The 25th is there to fill a gap like at the end of Woodrow Wilson's term where the president is unable to govern but not dead, or if you think (as some in Nixon's cabinet feared) that the president's gone suicidal and is liable to end the world and needs to be removed from the nuclear football.
So you have the same hurdles as impeachment.
PantherLotus
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Of all the people who could stop the 25th, does anyone believe it will be Mike Pence, who would get the presidency?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yes, the 25th is for the President being immediately and literally incapable of fulfilling his duties. I mean, I realize there is a fair argument for that right now, but if the President is sound enough to contest itand hes certainly that if nothing elsethen its not really what the amendment is for.
If there really was a consensus among most of the cabinet to consider the 25th then Congress would (ok, should) just move to impeach at that point and do it in a less crisis-y manner.
If there really was a consensus among most of the cabinet to consider the 25th then Congress would (ok, should) just move to impeach at that point and do it in a less crisis-y manner.
Randolph Freelander
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They'll write new reconciliation language into the budget for next year, giving them the ability to do 50+Pence on whatever they include. That could be tax reform, healthcare again, both together, or both separately if they can figure out how to make it work (they get one item per budgetary category -- spending, revenues, debt limit -- unless an item spans multiple categories).
Randolph Freelander
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I'd like to see Trump have to pass a psych eval.
There's about a 100% chance Trump will contest, which would take 2/3 of House and Senate to override. If there's even the tiniest chance of not getting that majority, I can see Pence chickening out.
God help us all if they try the 25th and fail.
I mean... Its clearly a wholly unrealistic thought.
Honestly, think that Mueller could drop serious bombs, and nothing is going to happen then.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Now that we know NBC has regularly held back or refrained from releasing major news stories (The Trump/Billy Bush tape, the Harvey Weinstein story, etc.), it makes me wonder if Tom Arnold was actually telling the truth about those Apprentice tapes he has and NBC is just refusing to let him release them.
PantherLotus
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Yes I think NBC absolutely has some industry-shattering skeletons in their closet. Of course they do.
RumbleHumble
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I don't think we need to wonder there. Especially since NBC produces the show. If they had the tapes there's no way in hell they'd let them go public.
Randolph Freelander
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Meanwhile, Donald Trump is openly wondering if he can shut NBC down.
Release the tapes.
What a pointless loophole. Do we really need a constitutional amendment and a majority vote in the Cabinet to make it clear that a comatose president maybe shouldn't be president anymore?
Nazgul_Hunter
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Actually I think Mark Burnett owns the tapes. NBC probably has the original edited episodes / masters, but Freemantle & MGM probably have the rest of the material
Cesare Borgia
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They have a lot of tapes, there are legal reasons BTS (behind the scenes) videos aren't officially released. Parts of a couple videos were supposed to be released unofficially in October but it never happened. The Billy Bush video had already come out and I assume the assumption was "why risk confrontation with NBC over another tape when the Billy Bush tape has buried Trump's campaign."
Ultimately there's a lot of recorded material outside of the NBC stuff though, including of Trump's father saying blatantly racist things. But at this point...does it matter? If Trump could brag on tape about sexually assaulting women and still win, I'm not sure any recording (from the past) is going to magically end his presidency.
He was telling the truth. Listen to Embedded podcast, episode The apprentice.
Ask Edith Wilson what happens when you dont actually have a formalized system for removing an incapacitated president from office.
Randolph Freelander
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They get it every year as long as reconciliation items are called out in the budget resolution.
So they can essentially keep doing 50+Pence until Trump is out of office?
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