Dubbedinenglish
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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Heres hoping
It's fucking wild to think that a former president didn't acknowledge troop sacrifices in some way shape or form, it's absolutely bonkers.
I don't even know where they're trying to aim that narrative but it's just dumb.
https://twitter.com/perlberg/status/920322337500729344
Like why would you make this claim at all? To what end does it make sense to imply that Obama didn't contact the family, even if you're stretching that he specifically didn't call, everyone will obviously misconstrue that he didn't contact at all and it'll blow in your face.
I don't even know where they're trying to aim that narrative but it's just dumb.
https://twitter.com/perlberg/status/920322337500729344
Like why would you make this claim at all? To what end does it make sense to imply that Obama didn't contact the family, even if you're stretching that he specifically didn't call, everyone will obviously misconstrue that he didn't contact at all and it'll blow in your face.
Aaron Strife
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I mean itll probably doom them for 2018 and then 2020, but theyll probably regroup for the next Dem midterm.
My only hope is this ends up not being the case. If the Democrats can get into the high 50s (or even low 60s, I can dream) in terms of Senate seats by 2020, their majority is probably safe in 2022 given which seats are up. The House elections will also be fought on new maps, hopefully nonpartisan in nature.
Like... I just want one Democratic presidential term with both houses. We cant let what happened to Obama and even Clinton happen again. Progress cant be something that only happens for two years every decade and a half, with the intervening time spent trying to prevent that progress from being chipped away at.
My only hope is this ends up not being the case. If the Democrats can get into the high 50s (or even low 60s, I can dream) in terms of Senate seats by 2020, their majority is probably safe in 2022 given which seats are up. The House elections will also be fought on new maps, hopefully nonpartisan in nature.
Like... I just want one Democratic presidential term with both houses. We cant let what happened to Obama and even Clinton happen again. Progress cant be something that only happens for two years every decade and a half, with the intervening time spent trying to prevent that progress from being chipped away at.
Human Resources
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honestly the issue with this should be that trump is trying to make the deaths of US troops all about himself
RustyNails
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The current dolt in white house doesn't do it. So he's blaming every other president of the same and blaming biased mediafor only focusing him.
No, I'm obviously not. You just don't seem to understand what I am arguing and prefer to set up fake arguments to yell about instead.
You have a moral responsibility for circumstances you take action to bring about even if other factors exist in the universe that were necessary to bring those circumstances about.
It's okay, though, I'll just wait until you feel embarrassed about your behavior again and apologize for "getting too angry on the internet" for like the fourth time since you started posting here. Do you think you might have a problem?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I mean this is also not a great argument wrt American military action abroad. Actually given what I know of your political positions I think we've all completely lost the thread in this conversation and probably need to hit a bit reset button
I thought I was pretty clear that I think most American military action abroad has been bad!
Also I should clarify that I meant circumstances you both seek and take action to bring about. Phrasing that accurately was hard.
Dubbedinenglish
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The President obviously meant his predecessor didnt call Kelly on the metaphysical plane.
Here I am thinking that trying to be civil and not rage at people for their honestly held but fundamentally wrong political opinions is, like, a bad thing. Got me.
Like as far as I can tell this whole thing started when you got extremely mad because you thought I wanted to dissolve NATO or something. Then we got into this argument about whether the US or Russia is the world's supervillain.
It's a good thing! You should consider doing it for more than fifteen minutes at a time, rather than apologizing afterwards but explaining you only yell at people because they make you by being so wrong and also you're definitely going to try to change.
Google Chesterton's fence.
Aaron Strife
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Think of the patriots who bled and died for our country, kneeling for the flag is unpatriotic!
This POW says youre an asshole
FUCK HIM
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Pigeon I love you man but I think you are letting frustration make you condescending here (and I'm saying this as someone who snapped at mlclmtckr just the other day)
BoogieWoogie
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Yes, attacking Paul is totally going to get him on your side.
Uh pigeon last time I left the thread, for getting too heated at y2kev, I think I stayed away at least until the next morning. And I have changed, I think.
I also as far as I know have acknowledged any time someone has pointed out where I've been factually wrong about something or misread someone else's post. At least I hope I have.
I googled Chesterton's fence, I don't see how it applies to you erroneously conflating two different arguments that were happening in the thread.
Frank the Great
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Dems should steamroll in 2018 if they can effectively push this message.
Aaron Strife
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Their default response to anyone who disagrees with them is to trash them and bring them down.
This is obviously most notable with Trump but I feel it speaks to a broader problem within the GOP that they all think theyre right, everyone else is wrong, and theyre the smartest person in the room and everyone else is just an idiot whos in the way.
Im sure there are some insufferable jackasses in the D caucus too but overall the Democrats seem much better at cultivating friendships in and out of their party, which surprise surprise, leads to more legislation.
No surprise that Klobuchar, constantly ranked the most effective senator, is also the one who goes out of her way to be friends with everyone.
By contrast, you spend your entire campaign beating up on everyone else, and once youre in you dont know how to play nice. Sorry not sorry McConnell.
Futurevoid
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More VA polling...
cartoon_soldier
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Dems are fucked if they lose VA.
Aaron Strife
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Oof. Hopefully an outlier.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yikes. Get your act together, VA dems.
That's a pretty huge swing.
balladofwindfishes
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This is like the 4th time you've posted a variant of "if they lose this election, 2018 is over"
Absolutely meaningless coming from an EX-congressman.
And the ones seeking reelection are too chickenshit to do/say anything.
Aaron Strife
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Just want to point out this came out on the same day two polls with Northam up 4 and 6 released, but glad to see the usual suspects chiming in.
cartoon_soldier
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Is there a counterpoint to my point?
Box of Kittens
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I'm shocked, shocked I say.
*Rolls eyes*
balladofwindfishes
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Yes, and it's been posted the three other times you've posted that. You've never replied to any of them.
Ignatz Mouse
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The family is corrupt scum but I figured they stopped at bribes and influence peddling.
You suggested at length that I was arguing that Russia was responsible for American racism! It's comical to me that you would do that and then claim you've been acting in good faith. I preferred doubling down to this kind of po-facedness.
"Chesterton's NATO coalition" was a joke about applying Chesterton's fence to the problems with leftist foreign policy, not an effort to suggest you were arguing we should dissolve NATO. The point is that leftist foreign policy, as evidenced by posters in this thread and by DSA/Young Labor, suffers from the apparent lack of a clear perspective as to why the status quo was erected in the first place. Hint: there was still colonialism before the United Nations and it was actually worse.
Box of Kittens
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It's a single race with a bad candidate a year in advance of the midterms?
cartoon_soldier
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Northam is a bad candidate in a state Hillary won by 5 points?
Cesare Borgia
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Remember when people thought Lindsey Graham was playing some 5D chess to make himself the credible leader of the post-Trump GOP
The counterpoint is that posting "Dems are fucked if they lose VA" and nothing more is a completely useless thing to say.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The poll is likely an outlier. The gap is closing over time, though, so I dont think it is out of the ordinary to hope the dems get their act together and solidify this thing. Nothing pointing to the race being over for either candidate at this point.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What does "getting their act together" mean?
Futurevoid
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Some Russia probe news as well:
Box of Kittens
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I mean, I am no fan of Mike Madigan but usually the ILGOP just sticks to trying to blame him for Rauner's many failures. These comments are indeed a commentary on how bad our political system is, just not in the way Harold is implying.
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