BobTheFork
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??? Did he just refer to the economy as "they"?XxenobladerxX said:
The economy wants him for his experience.
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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)
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The economy wants him for his experience.
Although the quote is meant in reference to his campaign, I consider this a minor gaffe since the media will most likely try to frame this in the context of ol' doddering McCain out of touch with main street, which pretty much has really hurt his campaign.XxenobladerxX said:
So, is John McCain subconsciously trying to fail his own campain?
ryutaro's mama
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Cloudy said:
Up 17 points among those aged 65+?
Riiiiight....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
NY Times exposes the asshole behind the "Obama=Muslim" nonsense. I think this was the guy Gibbs was talking about when he destroyed Hannity on-air.
NY Times exposes the asshole behind the "Obama=Muslim" nonsense. I think this was the guy Gibbs was talking about when he destroyed Hannity on-air.
StopMakingSense
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ryutaro's mama said:
You have seen what McCain wants to do to Medicare, yes?
Also, old people are an oft forgotten Dem constituency. Social Security and whatnot.
Haunted
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I had a post ready and written up and everything how the only thing that could keep Obama out of the white house would be a media narrative that goes something like "it's over already, you don't need to vote anymore"...
But then I thought about it, and it wasn't that likely, even in full Chicken Little mode. The polls are looking so good, the Bradley Effect has disappeared over the last couple years, that narrative would depress the turnout on both sides... I just don't see it.
But then I thought about it, and it wasn't that likely, even in full Chicken Little mode. The polls are looking so good, the Bradley Effect has disappeared over the last couple years, that narrative would depress the turnout on both sides... I just don't see it.
artredis1980
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bad news guys, Drudge released Rasmussen Reports early, the monday numbers are:
Obama 50 (-1)
McCain 45 (EVEN)
Obama 50 (-1)
McCain 45 (EVEN)
artredis1980
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another proof obama's numbers might be going down
So far its Gallup , Hotline, Rasmussen and Zogby, all of these have the numbers closing in
ZOgby Monday
Obama 48 (-1)
McCain 45 (Even)
So far its Gallup , Hotline, Rasmussen and Zogby, all of these have the numbers closing in
ZOgby Monday
Obama 48 (-1)
McCain 45 (Even)
Fragamemnon
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Given Rasmussen's LV screen (still miffed at the way they are keeping in post-GOP convention partisan ID as part of their tracker, it's garbage) , that seems about right. Obama's lead is simply, from what we can tell, returning to the his mean of +5-+8 points.
Zogby Monday is O 48, M 44.
If Obama's numbers really are going down, you'll need about 3-4 days or so of motion to really see it. All we got today was a lot of float in the MOE, and Zogby's usual nuttery.
Zogby Monday is O 48, M 44.
If Obama's numbers really are going down, you'll need about 3-4 days or so of motion to really see it. All we got today was a lot of float in the MOE, and Zogby's usual nuttery.
Karma Kramer
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Shit...
WHOAguitarninja
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artredis1980 said:
It's the weekend. Obama always polls worse on the weekend.
artredis1980
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WHOAguitarninja said:
heres hoping Obama actually wins the 3rd debate again! because America loves come backs
The Chosen One
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That ABC poll is absolutely brutal.
It also shows how ineffectual Palin has been for the ticket. Obama is leading among women by 18 points and the vast vast majority of Hilary voters have come home. The Republican base isn't completely energized either. It was initially after the Palin pick, but now many of the economic and intellectual conservatives are much more subdued in their support. Right now it's only the social conservatives who are still energized. But also Palin had the effect of energizing the far left.
Even worse, Palin forced the McCain campaign to drop their "experience" attack on Obama. Even this ABC poll still shows that lack of experience is Obama's biggest vulnerability. I think it's been understated just how foolish this was of McCain. He threw away his strongest political card, for what? Everybody knows this isn't a base election. At least not a republican base election... I think he was counting on Palin pulling in significant numbers of women. Too bad Palin ended up being a fish out of water and embarrassment for all working women. McCain might have known this if he had talked to her for more than 5 minutes before picking her as VP.
It also shows how ineffectual Palin has been for the ticket. Obama is leading among women by 18 points and the vast vast majority of Hilary voters have come home. The Republican base isn't completely energized either. It was initially after the Palin pick, but now many of the economic and intellectual conservatives are much more subdued in their support. Right now it's only the social conservatives who are still energized. But also Palin had the effect of energizing the far left.
Even worse, Palin forced the McCain campaign to drop their "experience" attack on Obama. Even this ABC poll still shows that lack of experience is Obama's biggest vulnerability. I think it's been understated just how foolish this was of McCain. He threw away his strongest political card, for what? Everybody knows this isn't a base election. At least not a republican base election... I think he was counting on Palin pulling in significant numbers of women. Too bad Palin ended up being a fish out of water and embarrassment for all working women. McCain might have known this if he had talked to her for more than 5 minutes before picking her as VP.
artredis1980
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GhaleonEB said:
its not his numbers, its the number gaf posts
Karma Kramer
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The Chosen One said:
Good post... excellent summary of the palin pick.
Fragamemnon
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http://www.in-forum.com/articles/in...OKEN=16361940&jsessionid=883050f72b583c1a3856
North Dakota, LV (606 voters), University of Minnesota , 10/6-10/8
Obama - 45
McCain - 43
lolz
haha NORTH DAKOTA
North Dakota, LV (606 voters), University of Minnesota , 10/6-10/8
Obama - 45
McCain - 43
lolz
haha NORTH DAKOTA
artredis1980
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Sharp said:
Obama needs atleast 7 points to make sure whatever bradley effect might come to pass, it does not matter come election day
Fragamemnon
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artredis1980 said:
I'm sure if McCain was down 10 points Obama would need at least 10 points to counter the Bradley Effect! It's like the magical sliding scale of electoral math for conservatives to cling to.
Tyrone Slothrop
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The Chosen One said:
i dunno about that. (from what i've seen) they're still going on the experience argument pretty hard. of course, it's ridiculous and hypocritcal, but in their worldview palin is somehow lightyears more experienced than community organizer obama could ever hope to be.
and the women vote thing, IMO that's not exactly why palin was picked. of course it helped but i think mccain wanted to pick up on the momentum of there being a first [fill in demographic here] president/vice president.
Stoney Mason
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Sharp said:
There is a bit of concern that some of the more "conservative" (By conservative I mean party ID ratio rather than politically) pollsters have the race tightening a bit like Gallup, Rasmussen (let's ignore Zogby for the mean time). Panicking isn't the right word and is overstating it. It's too early obviously to get in a tizzy when these polls obviously have margin of error and noise but it's also fair to be realistic and keep an open mind and eye for trends.
artredis1980
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Sharp said:
thats true but its happened to dean, its happened to kerry vs Bush in 2004, its happened to Gore and its happened to Obama in Texas and Ohio when he had a lock on it in all the polls. I dont want it to happen but it has happened before! Against Hillary Obama ALWAYS lost the undecided block, I dont want it to happen to Obama again
I think the numbers will probably stabilize to 4 to 6 points. That is really a total guess. I think Obama will be fine on election day though I don't think every single battle state will go blue. I am thinking that a state like Missouri or North Carolina, which is currently polling well for Obama will go red in the end as first thought. I said right after the Palin-Biden debate that numbers wouldn't continue to rise for Obama as drastically as they were that week. I also said they would stabilize, and that is what is happening more or less.artredis1980 said:
I think it's a natural that both Gallup and Rasmussen would pull down from their highs of 11 and 8, respectively. And just two days ago. +5 is where Rasmussen was at. This is noise, not a trend.Stoney Mason said:
It's also worth noting that elections tend to close down as they come to the end, though I'm not at all convinced that's happening yet. I look at things more week over week, not daily (especially over the weekend). It's worth noting that the 538 numbers we fap to every day have a built-in assumption that the race closes down about three points from where it is right now. And Obama still wins in that blowout.
Also: remember the Politico hyping up new McCain economic proposals two days in a row?
Nevermind.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13plan.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=print
WTF. "Unless developments call for some"? I shudder to think what those developments might be. :lol
Fragamemnon
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BTW, that ND poll had a polling point back in September and it was right where R2K and Rasmussen were. Hopefully someone else besides the Notorious A.R.G. will go in the field and give us another polling point, it, like the suddenly-narrow Georgia, was one of the two states that Obama pulled out of early on after the RNC/Palin pick.
XxenobladerxX
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This campaign is a fucking joke..GhaleonEB said:
Also,ENOUGH about the Bradley effect. ENOUGH.
WickedAngel
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XxenobladerxX said:
It's the last thing that the MSM has to talk about, really. It's the only way they can justify the characterization that this is still a "close" race.
Stoney Mason
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devilhawk said:
I'll give you credit devilhawk. You hang in the thread and are one of the non-obnoxious conservatives on the board from what I've seen. (I'm fully aware some of the liberals are pretty obnoxious in full disclosure)
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