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[gcubed]

I'm curious where you are getting that from, because it is updating multiple times a night. The gallup poll shows a completely different picture and that is updated daily:

national polls have nothing to do with state polls and EVs which is why its so damn silly to worry about national polls

 

[Rugasuki]

Here are two Articles about the suspicious selection of Charlie Gibson for the Palin interview and how the arrangement of the interview basically guarantees that no difficult questions will be asked.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/flashback_during_dem_primary_d.php

 

[Beer Monkey]

Harry Potter?

Can you say NUTTER?

 

[adg1034]

Here's the list of books that Palin wanted banned, this list is from public documents released today by the city of Wasilla.

Palin wants to ban Judy Blume and Shakespeare. Also, JK Rowling, A Wrinkle In Time, and To Kill a Mockingbird.

Classy, Sarah. Very classy.

 

[Illuminati]

national polls have nothing to do with state polls and EVs which is why its so damn silly to worry about national polls

Not really silly, they are somewhat accurate: http://www.gallup.com/poll/9442/Election-Polls-Accuracy-Record-Presidential-Elections.aspx

 

[gkryhewy]

I'm curious where you are getting that from, because it is updating multiple times a night. The gallup poll shows a completely different picture and that is updated daily:

Gallup updates every DAY!?!? Well holy shit, who knew. That about wraps it up for Obama. Now that I've seen this Gallup poll. Which I'd never before heard of.

 

[AniHawk]

Here are two Articles about the suspicious selection of Charlie Gibson for the Palin interview and how the arrangement of the interview basically guarantees that no difficult questions will be asked.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/flashback_during_dem_primary_d.php

It will be unwatchable.

Just about sums it up.

 

[Confusion Illusion]

Here's the list of books that Palin wanted banned, this list is from public documents released today by the city of Wasilla.

Suddenly I have the urge to go read Fahrenheit 451......

 

[APF]

BTW this is my desk http://www.hermanmiller.com/CDA/SSA/Product/1,1592,a10-c440-p53,00.html


Oh, and that list is fake.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Hey, sorry guys, but that list isn't true. The incident happened in 1996, before the Harry Potter books were published.

http://snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

 

[GhaleonEB]

fivethirtyeight.com

First they took into account the daily polls, which lowered the numbers to the 298-thing. Then were individual state polls, which lowered them to what you see now.

Also, they lag national polls a bit so their model doesn't flip around with every twitch of the trackers. So it takes about a week of sustained polling at a one level to get their popular vote metric to swing that way. So if McCain's bounce fades over the course of this week, the model will have predicted it. If McCain's bounce holds, the model will move to that position.

 

[Choabac]

Here's the list of books that Palin wanted banned, this list is from public documents released today by the city of Wasilla.

Fake

 

[Illuminati]

Now that I've seen this Gallup poll. Which I'd never before heard of.

You've never heard of the Gallup poll before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_poll

Gallup Polls are best known for their accuracy in predicting the outcome of the current United States presidential election. A notable exception is the 1948 Thomas Dewey-Harry S. Truman election, where nearly all pollsters predicted a Dewey victory. The Gallup Poll also inaccurately projected a slim victory by Gerald Ford in 1976, where he lost to Jimmy Carter by a small margin.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/9442/Election-Polls-Accuracy-Record-Presidential-Elections.aspx

 

[FLEABttn]

god 4 years of pol-sci and philosophy classes, you wouldn't believe some of the shit ive heard and read

I would.

It was fine.

 

[maximum360]

I would prefer Rudy to Huckabee, any fucking time of the day.

I disagree there. Huckabee may be a loon but Giuliani is the incarnate of evil.

 

[gcubed]

yup, i thought they said something about the fake list the other day...

and Fahrenheit 451 is a definite read

 

[Boogie]

Here's the list of books that Palin wanted banned, this list is from public documents released today by the city of Wasilla.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

 

[pxleyes]

yup, i thought they said something about the fake list the other day...

and Fahrenheit 451 is a definite read

The old movie adaptation is hilarious once you read the book.

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

McCain already has a 5 point lead? i thought obama had a 6 point lead last week. How big of a bump did McCains speech give him?

 

[Trakdown]

Here are two Articles about the suspicious selection of Charlie Gibson for the Palin interview and how the arrangement of the interview basically guarantees that no difficult questions will be asked.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/flashback_during_dem_primary_d.php

*shakes head*
ABC needs to stay the fuck away from politics. Gibson and Stephanopoulos especially. Not only do I never want to see them near another debate, I really don't want to see him tossing softballs to Palin as she walks through Wasilla.

We really need Tim Russert back.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/08/sarah-palin-troopergate-r_n_124881.html

Sarah Palin Troopergate: Republicans Fail To Unseat Democrat Overseeing Investigation

 

[sprsk]

Canterbury fucking Tales?

Are you kidding me?

Fake.

Figures, seemed absolutely ridiculous.

 

[tanod]

Both sides (Obama and Clinton) gave the other a max contribution when Hillary endorsed Obama.

Obama donated $4,600 which means he donated to her GE campaign. Defeatist confirmed!

 

[Guts Of Thor]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/08/sarah-palin-troopergate-r_n_124881.html

Great!!

Edit: From the article: "We all support somebody in this political race, but he took it right smack into this (investigation)," Coghill said of French. "I don't want to stop the investigation, but I think Sen. French has made it very difficult to get an independent view."

Like those assholes wouldn't have done the same. F 'em I say.

 

[Odrion]

this is basically the red alert of all red alerts. this single comment alone makes him disqualified from being president of the country, let alone sane.

Bullshit, Palin has the same attitude and McCain had made comments just at agonizing and the GOP successfully buried their crazy comments. Huckabee already shown shame towards that comment and still has attraction towards the independent/anti-republicans.

 

[AniHawk]

McCain already has a 5 point lead? i thought obama had a 6 point lead last week. How big of a bump did McCains speech give him?

6 points according to gallup.

Here's how it works: They poll people once a day. Then they take the three day total up until the most recent day and average them. Even though McCain's lead went from +3 to +5 in a single day, it was because of an Obama lead cycling out and a positive McCain day filling in. It might go to +6 tomorrow, but it's nothing to be particularly alarmed about as it's a low day of polling for McCain being replaced by a slightly higher one. Once we get to Wednesday and there's not a significant drop (down to +2 either direction or a tie)? Then you can start to worry.

At least, that's how I understand it.

 

[Particle Physicist]

bah!

 

[GhaleonEB]

McCain already has a 5 point lead? i thought obama had a 6 point lead last week. How big of a bump did McCains speech give him?

Alternately:

ABC/WaPo: Obama 47%, McCain 46%.

CBS: McCain 46%, Obama 44%.

CNN: McCain 48%, Obama 48%.

Rasmussen: McCain 48, Obama 47

Don't just look at one poll. This is at about the likely peak of McCain's bounce. Or at any rate, about where Obama's bounce began to fade (because the GOP convention was getting underway). A bounce is called a bounce because they tend to fade. So combine Obama's bounce fading, and McCain getting his bounce, and you get....

Something that looks like this.

 

[FightyF]

I'm young and educated, and I'm no liberal.

What the hell, I thought you were Asian all this time! :lol

 

[Particle Physicist]

Harry Potter?

Can you say NUTTER?

witchcraft. i have a friend whose mother is quite religious and she thinks those books are evil.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Ah, fake.

Hopefully the real list comes out.

witchcraft. i have a friend whose mother is quite religious and she thinks those books are evil.

Oh, I'm from a 'born again' household. My mom told me in 1983 that Star Wars and E.T. were works of Satan. She gave me literature. Also gave me tapes of Gary Greenwald ranting about all the hidden subliminal messages in rock music.

 

[Evlar]

She wanted to ban A Wrinkle in Time?

OK. I'm getting a better grasp of this woman's religious views.

EDIT: OR it's fake.

 

[APF]

Here's FactCheck.org on Palin smears BTW:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

 

[gcubed]

Ah, fake.

Hopefully the real list comes out.



Oh, I'm from a 'born again' household. My mom told me in 1983 that Star Wars and E.T. were works of Satan.

i dont think there was ever a specific list... she just asked if the librarian would have a problem banning books, not which specific book

 

[Odrion]

Here's the list of books that Palin wanted banned, this list is from public documents released today by the city of Wasilla.

Hahaha wow Harry Potter? Seriously? She's a Jesus Campistic psycho christian.

Here's FactCheck.org on Palin smears BTW:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Uhhh wow, actually thanks for that. I dislike Palin but I don't want to become someone who desperately clings to falsehoods.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Alternately:

ABC/WaPo: Obama 47%, McCain 46%.

CBS: McCain 46%, Obama 44%.

CNN: McCain 48%, Obama 48%.

Rasmussen: McCain 48, Obama 47

Don't just look at one poll. This is at about the likely peak of McCain's bounce. Or at any rate, about where Obama's bounce began to fade (because the GOP convention was getting underway). A bounce is called a bounce because they tend to fade. So combine Obama's bounce fading, and McCain getting his bounce, and you get....

Something that looks like this.

What a lame post. Let's just disregard this nonsense and get back to doom and gloom kneejerk reactions and expressing disgust with the general public since McCain has this thing in the bag.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

palin went to a muslim school

 

[Hootie]

nvm

 

[gkryhewy]

You've never heard of the Gallup poll before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_poll



http://www.gallup.com/poll/9442/Election-Polls-Accuracy-Record-Presidential-Elections.aspx

I'm sorry, I was being a sarcastic asshole. Your earnestness has disarmed me.

What the fuck?

No seriously, what the FUCK?

Should have known it was fake since it said "city" of wasilla. Still, let it distribute and do some damage. A smear for a smear - the gloves are off.

She probably IS one of those nutters who'd want to ban Harry Potter anyway.

 

[Killthee]

Suddenly I have the urge to go read Fahrenheit 451......

List is fake, but that shouldn't stop you from picking up such a great novel.

Ah, fake.

Hopefully the real list comes out.



Oh, I'm from a 'born again' household. My mom told me in 1983 that Star Wars and E.T. were works of Satan.

I thought there was no list, she just asked the librarian if she had the power to ban books and then she wanted to get the librarian fired for not pledging her loyalty to her.

 

[scorcho]

i hear Palin is also exotic, and that her middle name is really MUHAMMED, but got changed

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Seriously people, the list is fake. I think you would have heard of it by now if it wasn't.

 

[Diablos]

That about wraps it up for Obama.

Sarcasm?

Anyway, all of these recent developments are very interesting, and initially troubling. However, I think it's basically turning out to be a +3 or so convention boost for McCain. If the rules were different, and the incumbent party had their convention first, Obama would be enjoying the same kind of thing right now, I'd bet. Let's not forget that he had a pretty big post-convention bounce too, but it was short-lived thanks to the DNC and RNC being right up against each other, which is all kinds of stupid -- and something that really hasn't happened before, so you really can't rely on looking at polls the same way during this short period...

Also, I think Chuck Todd said it best -- if it was really 54-44% like good old Gallup suggests, this race would be done with. States like Pennsylvania would nearly be a lock for McCain right now. They're not.

If Obama wins this election, one must seriously question Gallup's polling methods.

New polling data seen on 538 tonight is also very interesting.

State/Pollster WAS          NOW            SWING
OH  Rasmussen  McCain +5    McCain +7      McCain +2
MI  PPP        Obama  +3    Obama  +1      McCain +2
PA  Rasmussen  Obama  +3    Obama  +2      McCain +1
VA  Rasmussen  McCain +1    McCain +2      McCain +1
VA  SurveyUSA  McCain +1    McCain +2      McCain +1
FL  Rasmussen  McCain +2    TIE            Obama  +2
CO  Rasmussen  McCain +1    Obama  +3      Obama  +4
====================================================
AVERAGE       McCain +0.6   McCain +0.7    McCain +0.1

Ohio really starting to go for McCain based on this data, which quite honestly I had figured would happen. I never have and probably never really will consider Ohio to be a state that Obama will likely get, but I like surprises.

Virginia is kind of disappointing, but again, the state going red is nothing shocking.

Colorado with +3 Obama is VERY interesting, and good news for any Obama supporter.

Florida as a tie is quite a surprise, to be honest I don't think it will mean anything in the long run, though.

McCain sneaking up on Obama in Michigan sucks, though. Hopefully Obama will get some points back there. He can't afford to lose that state.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Here's FactCheck.org on Palin smears BTW:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

according to mccain, that website is rubbish. so. i dont believe a word of it!!!

 

[Beer Monkey]

I thought there was no list, she just asked the librarian if she had the power to ban books and then she wanted to get the librarian fired for not pledging her loyalty to her.

To normal people that would be good enough, unfortunately there aren't enough normal people.

 

[devilhawk]

Fake

Here is the city of Wasilla's official document concerning any banned books incident. The link to the pdf is in the list. It also includes list to financial reports and other documentation relelvant to the years she was mayor.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136

Edit: And the 'new lists' that are going around aren't real either. Deleting the Harry Potter books from the 'old list' doesn't make it real.

 

[Y2Kev]

i hear Palin is also exotic, and that her middle name is really MUHAMMED, but got changed

really? I heard it was Muhammedina.

edit: I'm gonna come right out and say that I don't think Virginia would ever go blue despite Kaine and Warner. I just don't. Call it old habits die hard or whatever but I do not see Virginia going blue on election night.

I also don't like relying on west coast states/mountain states like Colorado. I have bad memories of Karl Rove rallying the troops in 2004.

 

[capslock]

Ok, ignore the list I posted, it was from the thread of responses to the Wasilla documents at Kos, it's probably fake. Apologies to Palin and her supporters, I will delete it.

 

[APF]

McCain's camp and IIRC the candidate himself have also praised them and pointed folks to the site.


BTW I hear Palin has a black baby

 

[pxleyes]

McCain's camp and IIRC the candidate himself have also praised them and pointed folks to the site.

BTW I hear Palin has a black baby

Look, owning one and having one are two different things!