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Someone explain this to me:
According to Obama's tax plan, overall tax revenue is going to go down.
Obamas plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan
http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
Yet he plans to increase the government massively with his "affordable healthcare for all" plan. How does he actually plan to pay for it?
According to Obama's tax plan, overall tax revenue is going to go down.
Obamas plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan
http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
Yet he plans to increase the government massively with his "affordable healthcare for all" plan. How does he actually plan to pay for it?
ToyMachine228
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delirium said:
First of all, he's going to repeal the Bush tax cuts, and probably raise taxes on the richest 1%, and then cut taxes for the middle class. Second, his health care plan is not "socialized medicine" like you're probably thinking. To my understanding (I could be wrong too so don't completely buy this, no one on this board is an expert) it's like a circuit breaker model. Depending on your income, if you want to buy into (Let's call it "Obamacare" for now) you pay a certain price. Only the lower income brackets will be government subsidized. And if you already have insurance, you can keep it. Assuming "Obamacare" passes and becomes available is optional and becomes another form of insurance alongside the existing companies like Blue Cross, Medicare, Aetna, CIGNA, etc.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml
Eh means nothing, but the next round of polling data should be fun eithier way.
Eh means nothing, but the next round of polling data should be fun eithier way.
ToyMachine228 said:
I understand his healthcare plan (I think). I know it isn't socialize medicine, but its still a massive federal expansion. Medicare and Medicaid still cost the federal government $400 and $200 billion dollars annually. A third plan would probably cost around the same much (and Medicare and Medicaid aren't the best coverages). Making the plan up to snuff with the plan that is offered to Senators I would think would be a massive increase in cost.
delirium said:
Also keep in mind, even though the Republicans are loving their "Dems want big government" rhetoric Obama did in fact say at the convention part of how he is going to balance the budget is cleaning up the government and getting rid of or fixing programs that waste money.
Jason's Ultimatum
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delirium said:
Obama has stated that closing tax loopholes and havens would be enough to support his healthcare plan, which some are estimating at a little more than $50 billion a year. Also, he's going to increase taxes on anyone making over $250,000, and the $12 billion a month we're spending in Iraq will surely help. All of this should pay for his social programs.
thegreyfox
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Jobs number just hit. Unemployment is at 6.1%. Highest since to 2003.
83,000 jobs were lost in august.
83,000 jobs were lost in august.
ToyMachine228
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delirium said:
With Obama's health care plan, they could probably make cuts to both Medicaid and Medicare. Heck, Bill Clinton's 1994 health care plan was going to cut Medicare altogether if I remember correctly because his new plan would replace it. I don't know if that's such a smart move politically though because in 94, the Republicans used "Clinton is destroying Medicare" to help sink Bill's plan from ever even hitting the floor of Congress.
Jason's Ultimatum
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thegreyfox said:
Can you post a source?
AniHawk said:
Yup sums it up. And 90% of his audience are conservative. I'm in the middle and watch his show. Although, when he pisses me off, I stop watching for weeks/months. But then somehow, I end up watching it again.
I tell you what, people LOVE hating this guy. And too be fair, he's leans a lot less to the right than a lot of other people on Fox. He hasn't bashed Obama like a lot of the other folks.
Stephen Colbert act is all based on a parody of O Riley.
gkrykewy said:
i think a lot of people are getting too sensitive on Obamas treatment. I was actually happy with part 1 of the interview. The last thing i wanted was him to pull a Hillary interview and it to be a cupcake. If Obama cant answer tough questions from a charged interviewer, then there are other problems. I thought Obama handled himself well, and did pretty good banter with O'reilly, and O'reilly didnt give a cupcake interview. I wouldnt have minded them going a little bit deeper on some subjects, but O'reilly usually let Obama get his overall point in before moving on. Some people make it sound like he stabbed him in the side with a shiv... the far left whining is almost as bad as the far right cognitive dissonance
reading more about the economy and just noted Shiller's analysis - http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticke...Decline-Could-Be-Worse-than-Great-Depression#
mind you, he's more pessimistic than any economist outside of Roubini but his expertise is the housing market (S&P/Case-Shiller HPI is highly regarded) and as such this is a pretty bold statement. ugh.
mind you, he's more pessimistic than any economist outside of Roubini but his expertise is the housing market (S&P/Case-Shiller HPI is highly regarded) and as such this is a pretty bold statement. ugh.
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scorcho said:
Jenna High comes to mind:lol
adamsappel
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Be quiet, you!tanod said:Wow. Thread moving slow. I wonder how many people are in the old one hitting refresh.
Didn't 9/11 happen on W's watch? Only in America can the political party in question, the one negligent in taking the threat from al qaeda seriously in the first place, show a video montage of 9/11, planes crashing into towers, et al, as some.. ass-backwards way to distinguish themselves as savants on security.
Huzah said:
actually, that CBS poll is completely worthless. The 8 point Obama lead a week ago had completely different party ID numbers. Last week Democrats made up 6% more of the poll relative to republicans than this week.. so of that 8 points, 6 of it was simply changing the party ID numbers.
2% is either a mini bump or just movement within the MOE.
Last weeks poll is probably closer to correct, this week they have Dems with only a 2% edge in party ID which is way too low given the current party ID numbers, which have the dems with somewhere in the neighborhood of a 6-8% lead and that doesnt even factor the large enthusiasm gap (even with palin is 20% in Obamas favor)
You cant just look at the face value of polls. This poll essentially is showing either no or very little actual movement with a big change in the metrics of the poll. So comparing the old one to this one is apples and oranges.
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lawblob said:
That was basically the reaction use New yorkers had
"OOOOH THATS Why I hated this muthafucka"
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