PhoenixDark
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minus_273 said:
Given the context Palin isn't even the topic
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Given the context Palin isn't even the topic
our troops have won in Iraq! victory is ours! the day is done!
McCain's stupidity knows no bounds - our very toppling of Saddam and propping of a Shiite-dominated government directly boosts Iran's influence in the region, regardless if we had pulled out earlier. also i'm so fucking sick and tired of hearing about the 'success' of the surge, as if it's the only thing that matters.
McCain's stupidity knows no bounds - our very toppling of Saddam and propping of a Shiite-dominated government directly boosts Iran's influence in the region, regardless if we had pulled out earlier. also i'm so fucking sick and tired of hearing about the 'success' of the surge, as if it's the only thing that matters.
BenjaminBirdie
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PhoenixDark said:
"Yeah but that's not the --"
sevenchaos
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Not as many syllables.Tamanon said:
I like this video. Never heard that phrase before but it doesn't bother me one bit.minus_273 said:
TheGreatMightyPoo
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minus_273 said:
Um.................
Mccain had to read from a piece of paper his VP's name when he introduced her to the the nation, I'd say Barack not being a completely flawless speaker can be overlooked when he's running against the worst speaking candidate of all time.polyh3dron
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His stammering invalidates anything he says. This is fact. John McCain doesn't stammer therefore he is right.minus_273 said:
Price Dalton
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Tamanon said:
That's no excuse. John McCain talks so straight it's as if he's planned it out or something.
But really, saying "um" and using pauses are the mark of someone who actually thinks about what they say, every time they speak.
No they wouldn't, considering the prior comments about lipstick in relation to Palin. Even if that's not what Obama meant, it's not hard to interpret that as what he meant. He should simply be more careful in the future.NullPointer said:
Nah, she's just completely unqualified for the job of VP (and governor, apparently.)The Lamonster said:is she not?
teruterubozu
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lawblob said:
I've always loved Biden and was a little ticked that he got glossed over during the primaries. But now I'm really stoked on the ticket.
PhoenixDark
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Price Dalton said:
It also marks someone who's not telling the truth, and trying hard to withhold things about themselves, such as their muslim faith
polyh3dron
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o snap he stammers because of hisPhoenixDark said:
CONFIRMED
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sevenchaos
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Right. Figured that. It's a nice common sense phrase. With a little kick.Tamanon said:
PhoenixDark
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from Smith's blog
tomorrow should be interesting, if only for the lols as McCain surrogates try to defend this nonsense on cable news
Price Dalton
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PhoenixDark said:
Oh, are they still trying to dispute the fact that he's obviously a bloodthirsty, fist-bumping Muslim?
teruterubozu
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PhoenixDark said:
It's also a common no-no at job interviews.
saelz8 said:
Yep.
I learned about this in a course I took last semester (we used one of the Stimson books), and it does explain a lot. There was also something related, about the option for "moderate", where a lot of people take the approach of, "Well, I'm moderate about my political beliefs; I'm not a partisan nut like some of those people," and choose Moderate based on that, not based on, "I go for the liberal position on some things, the conservative position on some other things, and sometimes I'm in the middle or in a position that is a compromise of those two positions."
The McCain camp has done a really good job tapping into those conservative / liberal symbols throughout the convention. As stupid and unfactual as it all was, what is McCain identified with? "Conservative" themes of strength, service, patriotrism, etc. What did they try to associate Obama with? Weakness, selfishness, etc.
If I had to do a post-convention guess for what is happening, it is that the symbolic appeals (He's a war hero, a prisoner of war, he talks about honor all the time, etc.; what about that isn't appealing if you are an average person sitting at home, paying serious attention for the first time? He sounds like an amazing man.) have done a good job swaying Independents (which, as I said before, I think are more conservative than the label "independent" signifies mostly due to the loss Republicans have had in registration) and more conservative Democrats; Obama's job is to make the "operationally liberal" independents come back over.
polyh3dron
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so is lying.teruterubozu said:
teruterubozu
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polyh3dron said:
and sexual discrimination.
Price Dalton
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teruterubozu said:
Let's see some citations, my friend.
McCain's whining about the 'pig' comment and the press isn't buying it.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmRlMTBjYTMwZDdlNzUyNGQ5MjdmY2Y0OTMyYTY2NTA=
Okay, let's nip this one in the bud:
In referring to a Hillary Clinton healthcare proposal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/us/politics/12health.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
I think they put some lipstick on a pig, he said, but its still a pig.
In referring to a Hillary Clinton healthcare proposal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/us/politics/12health.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
I think they put some lipstick on a pig, he said, but its still a pig.
That entire audience thought he was talking about Palin. Just listen to the crowd roar before he even finishes the quote. I think he is smarter than that so I am betting he probably wasn't going for the Palin reference, but his audience surely thought so. The pause in the middle of the line gives the inkling that he may have immediately regretted saying it after the first part.gkrykewy said:
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TDG said:
No. No. No.
"Lipstick on a pig" is the perfect expression to describe something that's being presented as something it's not. Its not misogynist, its not sexist, and its the damn proper response to a VP that describes herself as similar to an attack dog as well as a reformer.
Bring on the false hysteria though. Its only a matter of time until we hear about quotes from Rove, Bush, etc. where they use the same damn term to describe something else.
Talk about having big elections about small things.
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thefro said:
Wow. I was only off by a minute.
Good work :lol :lol
polyh3dron
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Wow, they seem to have spent their "sexism" capital even faster than that of the POW.Lemonz said:
Must. Have. Video.thefro said:
It will be epic.
scorcho said:
Well, I had conservative in scare quotes for that reason. That's not what I associate with conservativism, just what I think that conservativism is portrayed as symbolically in American political culture. There're also more mundane aspects of conservativism that people like ("a conservative estimate," for instance).
And I don't agree that, for instance, masculinity = hawk = conservative, for instance, but it is portrayed that way in the media (which is a primary shaper of public perceptions, despite what people claim). I was describing what I thought I was seeing, not agreeing with it... if that makes any sense.
scorcho said:
The GOP isn't used to playing the gender card, they've never really had a high level politician to try it with. They're still getting down the timing and level of playing it.
Also, Obama was calling her fat, you know black people, they like women that are just sticks.
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Jane Swift, for reference:
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PhoenixDark said:
I can only speak for myself, but I usually do it when I'm trying to put something into words that the person I'm talking to can understand easily.
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Didn't it leak that the Clintons both said she would accept the VP offer, but it had to be made outright and immediately, without vetting or competition?Diablos said:
That's been swinging back and forth the entire time. Before the Dem convention, McCain lead in all three metrics.tanod said:
It will tip back in a week, but it's going to be close.
Remember when I said I expected McCain to go nuclear when Obama called him a liar in an ad? I think this education spot is the response. I'm relatively young, but that's the sleaziest political ad I've ever seen. I hope Obama drops the gloves and breaks McCain's crusty yellow teeth.
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scorcho said:damn. massive positive movement for McCain on intrade. fuck the markets
That's a good thing
for me
until Thursday
BenjaminBirdie
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GhaleonEB said:That's been swinging back and forth the entire time. Before the Dem convention, McCain lead in all three metrics.
It will tip back in a week, but it's going to be close.
Remember when I said I expected McCain to go nuclear when Obama called him a liar in an ad? I think this education spot is the response. I'm relatively young, but that's the sleaziest political ad I've ever seen. I hope Obama drops the gloves and breaks McCain's crusty yellow teeth.
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