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PoliGAF Interim Thread of cunning stunts and desperate punts
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Branduil said:
When someone lies that much in a single week, I have to question their integrity. To me, I see John McCain has long since abandoned his in the quest for the presidency. And I can't understand why more people don't see this.
Again, that was just in the last week. We have a little more than 50 days to go.
Frank the Great said:
The Supreme Court should not engage in projecting its political values as law.
A significant difference between my values and those of the liberal progressive is that I do not want the Supreme Court acting unilaterally without Constitutional support to promote said values.
To wit: I do not want the Supreme Court pushing laissez faire capitalism, as it did in the Lochner Era, despite the fact that I agree wholeheartedly with laissez faire capitalism.
I also do not want the Supreme Court to ban abortion, though abortion is a social evil at least on par with slavery, and it should be banned, as slavery was, but justly, with an amendment (as slavery was).
The Supreme Court needs to be reigned in with Textualists / Originalists, stare decisis be damned. The matter belongs to the states, as per the 10th Amendment. The Roe decision was, flat out, an abuse of the Supreme Court's authority.
I see a lot of disdain directed at specific people: McCain for his policies and tactics, Palin for, well, her entire record. And when GAFers come in and regurgitate GOP talking points, they get shot down for it.Cooter said:
But sweeping hate at conservatives? I'm not seeing it. In my rather terse exchanges with Branduil about abortion, for example, I said I can understand and respect the view of the other side. I just disagree with it. Likewise, I disagree with most conservatives on the issues. But that doesn't make them bad people.
I do think a lot of Americans are dumb as a post. But that cuts accross party lines.
soul creator
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AP article about The View said:
lol @ "a feisty grilling"
that sounds tasty
Oh please, spare me the drama. "Liberal" practically became a cuss word it was demonized for so long by right-wingers. People are always complaining about how Obama supporters think he's the messiah, when I've never heard a single Obama supporter say anything of the sort.Blader5489 said:
Politics are fierce. It's all about winning and losing and having a strong opinion. Everyone believes that their opinion is the only correct one, so of course they believe that people who don't vote the same way as them are stupid. Both sides do it, so please spare me the black-and-white bullshit.
speculawyer
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JayDubya said:
Hmm . .. well, by your literal view of the constitution, it seems these unborn are not people. They need to be born to be citizens. And they can't be aliens if they have always existed in the country. Thus, they are not humans with any rights. Thus abortion is not homicide in the USA. QED. :lol
Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
It's the baseline for political discourse in this country for a lot of people. If the Constitution can't be agreed on then... what holds the country together? Insisting that the Constitution is deeply flawed (and it is) would lead to questioning the validity of all our institutions, which we are taught (incorrectly) derive all their legitimacy from that document.Big-E said:
reilo said:
This was dumb the first time someone used it on me in an argument, a decade or more ago.
This was dumb the first time someone used it on me on GAF, over a year ago.
This was dumb the most recent time I heard it on GAF, less than a month ago.
Guess what? It's still pretty dumb.
A sperm cell isn't even diploid, and it's just a part of you. By itself, it's no more a unique human organism than the skin cells you slough off in the shower.
Karma Kramer
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AniHawk said:
Why would he have voted for Bush?
So considering seven of the nine Supreme Court justices were appointed by republican regimes, wouldn't it be fair to posit that the majority of the current problems with the Supreme Court are due to an unbalance of opinion? Would a more balanced court help to weed out "legislating from the bench?"JayDubya said:
speculawyer said:
Question is why isn't Obama calling him out on all these flip flops and lies much forcefully. They should have released 10 000 ads on these issues by now. I love Obama, but like Kerry he is being a pussy. Fight the fuck back! I mean there is so much dirt on Mccain but Obama aint doing shit.
Hitokage said:That issue being those who didn't comply with FISA, not FISA itself.
The bill in question (which Obama supported) both gave immunity to the telecomms and legitimized provisions such as the warrantless wiretapping. In fact, it increased warrantless wiretapping from continuing for 48 hours to 7 days.
(that provision is section 108 if you're interested)
JayDubya said:
And we can now place the magical position of an imaginary moment where something changes to be between point x, and point y, and agree that people disagree on it.
And drop this abortion shit. Nobody's mind is changing. Jesus.
Captain Pants
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Branduil said:
What are your thoughts on the Patriot Act?
JayDubya said:
You proclaiming that abortions are a social evil is quite a dumb statement to make, but I digress.
You can also argue that an embryo is part of the mother. A cell of her.
I think we are just going to go in circles around this.
Byakuya769
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Hitokage said:
To be fair, McCain would rather encourage the private sector through gov't aid to do the job of the government.. wait what are we talking about?
Hellsing321
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That was great. The media should really be ashamed of themselves this election cycle.Thomper said:
speculawyer said:
You bring me the anti-slavery amendment, and use it to decrease human liberty.
All persons that were born here or naturalized here are citizens. Citizens are not the only human beings that have rights that our government should respect.
Unless you think otherwise, and holding unlawful combatants is totally kosher, because subhumans with dark skin don't have habeas corpus rights, only citizens do.
Another reason why exclusive "legal personhood" is total bullshit.
artredis1980
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so whats the issue.
None of the polling companies call cell phones which are more in use as primary phones than 4 years ago and more younger people never use landlines, they use cell phones only. Will the young crowd vote this time and offset the assumptions that polling numbers are making?
None of the polling companies call cell phones which are more in use as primary phones than 4 years ago and more younger people never use landlines, they use cell phones only. Will the young crowd vote this time and offset the assumptions that polling numbers are making?
bob_arctor
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JayDubya said:
:lol I keep reading your posts in a Lieberman-smarm voiceover for extra hilarity. Keep it up.
They don't jive because they're two different sources with differing methodologies.Son of Godzilla said:
Map = electoral vote. Algorithm is to take an average of the three most recent polls, provided they are taken within a week of each other.
Tables = 538. Algorithm controls for pollster accuracy, weighted average of all polls based on timing, and a demographic regression. The odds of winning each state are then taken based on the margin, and a 10,000 trial simulation is run to come up with win scenarios.
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