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[GhaleonEB]

aw sheeet http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9/13/AR2008091302270.html?nav=hcmodule&sub=AR

We knew that was coming.

What gives me hope are two things. One, the other swift boat spin off (or was it the same group?) dumped over $3m into the Ayres ads in an attempt to make a stir. Obama countered it quietly and effectively, and it never broke through to the national media. They were clearly trying for the same kind of effect on Kerry and it didn't happen. We'll see how this round goes.

The other thing that give me hope is Obama's fund raising. He'll be responding to this stuff, and be in a position to drown it out.

 

[Juice]

Ugh, I'm really not feeling good about the election. I don't believe anyone that thinks the Bradley effect is gone. Obama really needs to be up by at least 5 solid points in the polls by 10/15 to win IMO.

 

[Y2Kev]

I think a lot of people know what it means to be "Swift boated" now and they might not fall for it again.

 

[numble]

:lol HE'S MISSING HIS FUNDRAISING TARGETSSSSS HE CAN'T RAISE MONEY DONORS ARE BAILINGGG

The huge thing is cash on hand. Obama has $77 million cash on hand. As of the RNC, McCain has $84 million for the rest of the election season.

(Of course, fundraising loopholes means McCain can raise more through RNC, etc...)

 

[mckmas8808]

aw sheeet http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9/13/AR2008091302270.html?nav=hcmodule&sub=AR

Yeah it's going to get ugly. If McCain ads are lying already can you imgaine how bad the swift boat ads will be? :lol

 

[Clevinger]

Yeah it's going to get ugly. If McCain ads are lying already can you imgaine how bad the swift boat ads will be? :lol

I'm guessing they'll photoshop a little black kid into one of the weathermen pictures.

The voiceover: "He says he was eight years old. Hitler was eight years old once too."

 

[mckmas8808]

The huge thing is cash on hand. Obama has $77 million cash on hand. As of the RNC, McCain has $84 million for the rest of the election season.

(Of course, fundraising loopholes means McCain can raise more through RNC, etc...)

Obama has $77 million cash on hand? DAMN! Didn't they have $50 on hand at the end of July?

This tells me that they are saving up for the last 2 months of the election, being that they only spent $40 million in August.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Just to let you know Obama lately has said that he will raise capital gains tax to 20% for people making over $250,000.

On O RLY, he mentioned between 20% and 28%, and then said 25%.

 

[numble]

Obama has $77 million cash on hand? DAMN! Didn't they have $50 on hand at the end of July?

This tells me that they are saving up for the last 2 months of the election, being that they only spent $40 million in August.

Yep.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said that the Obama campaign had $77 million on hand; it had just under $66 million on hand at the end of July, meaning that it spent roughly $55 million last month.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_raises_66_million_in_August.html?showall

 

[Pakkidis]

Anybody catch Roland Martin on CNN about Race,Religion and Sex regarding the election. Sadly it is not looking good for Obama. They showed one clip talking to a white guy from Georgia. He said "Im an old fashion southerner, I don't think a black man is going to bring change, the only time I see a black man talk about change, he's holding a cup"

DAMN.

Obama has some massive hurdles to climb.

 

[Tim-E]

Anybody catch Roland Martin on CNN about Race,Religion and Sex regarding the election. Sadly it is not looking good for Obama. They showed one clip talking to a white guy from Georgia. He said "Im an old fashion southerner, I don't think a black man is going to bring change, the only time I see a black man talk about change, he's holding a cup"

DAMN.

Obama has some massive hurdles to climb.

It's Georgia.

 

[demon]

Anybody catch Roland Martin on CNN about Race,Religion and Sex regarding the election. Sadly it is not looking good for Obama. They showed one clip talking to a white guy from Georgia. He said "Im an old fashion southerner, I don't think a black man is going to bring change, the only time I see a black man talk about change, he's holding a cup"

DAMN.

Obama has some massive hurdles to climb.

CNN interviews racist hick. Obama am D00MED.

 

[Cheebs]

OH GOD OH GOD THERE ARE RACIST WHITE PEOPLE IN THE DEEP SOUTH!?!??!?! Oh nooooooooooooooooo

 

[worldrunover]

Anybody catch Roland Martin on CNN about Race,Religion and Sex regarding the election. Sadly it is not looking good for Obama. They showed one clip talking to a white guy from Georgia

Don't need to read much past that.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Anybody catch Roland Martin on CNN about Race,Religion and Sex regarding the election. Sadly it is not looking good for Obama. They showed one clip talking to a white guy from Georgia. He said "Im an old fashion southerner, I don't think a black man is going to bring change, the only time I see a black man talk about change, he's holding a cup"

DAMN.

Obama has some massive hurdles to climb.

He wasn't going to win any of the Southern "old confederate" states anyway. Not that it doesn't make any such behavior any less repellent.

 

[Cheebs]

He wasn't going to win any of the Southern "old confederate" states anyway.

Virgina is a confederate state.

 

[ToyMachine228]

OH GOD OH GOD THERE ARE RACIST WHITE PEOPLE IN THE DEEP SOUTH!?!??!?! Oh nooooooooooooooooo

W8? R U SRS? And I'm betting on Obama winning two "confederate" states.

 

[mckmas8808]

On O RLY, he mentioned between 20% and 28%, and then said 25%.

No dumb O'Reilly said 28%. What the hell did you watch man? :lol

Obama said 20%.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Virgina is a confederate state.

Unlike some on GAF I don't believe he is going to win either Virginia or North Carolina and extreme effort there would be better spent on other states. His best chance is in FLA for a southern state (even though that is still difficult) imo.

 

[mckmas8808]

Anybody catch Roland Martin on CNN about Race,Religion and Sex regarding the election. Sadly it is not looking good for Obama. They showed one clip talking to a white guy from Georgia. He said "Im an old fashion southerner, I don't think a black man is going to bring change, the only time I see a black man talk about change, he's holding a cup"

DAMN.

Obama has some massive hurdles to climb.

Bu.bub.bu.bub.butttttt why isn't Obama doing better in the polls when everything is going against the republicans?!?!?!11111111111one!!!

That's got to be the dumbest freaking question asked by many people on this election this year.

Why people thought Obama should be up by 15% is well beyond me.

 

[mckmas8808]

Unlike some on GAF I don't believe he is going to win either Virginia or North Carolina and effort there would be better spent on other states. His best chance is in FLA for a southern state (even though that is still difficult) imo.

Stoney you are a smart man. You surely know that VA is TIED right now don't you? I mean Webb won, Warner will win, and Kaine is the Governor.

Why shouldn't Obama try to win VA. Using your plan would mean we'd be fighting for the same 2 stupid states that we already tried. FL and Ohio.

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

Obama said 20%.

Believing what a politician tells you before an election is like believing what a stripper tells you on payday.

 

[Door2Dawn]

It's cool to be cynical.

keep that to yourself plz

 

[SouthernDragon]

So we shouldn't believe anything they say or put out?

How do we judge them, then?

 

[alr1ght]

Just to let you know Obama lately has said that he will raise capital gains tax to 20% for people making over $250,000.

And leave it @ 15% for people making under 250k?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Believing what a politician tells you before an election is like believing what a stripper tells you on payday.

If you believe the Obama stripper, you might be disappointed when she doesn't give the blowjob.

If you believe the McCain stripper, you're going to be really disappointed when you get the clap.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

sorry, didn't know where else to ask this.

Obama won't allow his transcript from his undergraduate days at Columbia University to be released.
He "lost" his thesis on Soviet nuclear policy
He won't answer questions about his days at Harvard Law School.
He "lost" his Illinois Senate records.
He will only release a simple one-page letter from his doctor on his medical condition.
He won't release his application to the state bar.

wtf does that even mean?

 

[capslock]

No you aren't using logic. Obama in the Gallup poll was losing by 2 points before the DNC. His convention bounce took him to 8 points ahead.

Then on the next day after the DNC McCain showed the world his VP choice (which hit Obama's convention bounce a little).

Then McCain had his convention and received a bounce that we are now in. Capslock you just have to know that basically all conventions give that person a bounce.

Yeah I know that, but I also know that it's possible to 'ride' the bounce and build a sustaining lead, there is a possibility that this might happen with McCain, and then it might not.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Stoney you are a smart man. You surely know that VA is TIED right now don't you? I mean Webb won, Warner will win, and Kaine is the Governor.

Why shouldn't Obama try to win VA. Using your plan would mean we'd be fighting for the same 2 stupid states that we already tried. FL and Ohio.

As far as being tied that depends on what poll you are looking at. The last few I saw had Mccain up in Virginia. I'm also not saying he can't spend some effort there. But as the election closes and comes down to the wire his best bets I'll predict will be outside of the South (except FLA) and involve CO, NM, ND, OH, etc. I've never been as big a proponent in the 50th state strategy as the rest of GAF although I respect Howard Dean alot and understand the goal. If Obama is able to flip Virginia no one would be happier than me as that pretty much means he has immediately won the election unless something unusual happens.

 

[Incognito]

So we shouldn't believe anything they say or put out?

How do we judge them, then?

By character!

 

[Tamanon]

sorry, didn't know where else to ask this.wtf does that even mean?

Half of it is lies. It's just trying to make it look like he has SOMETHING TO HIDE because he doesn't have his thesis that most people don't have.

 

[worldrunover]

Stoney you are a smart man. You surely know that VA is TIED right now don't you? I mean Webb won, Warner will win, and Kaine is the Governor.

Why shouldn't Obama try to win VA. Using your plan would mean we'd be fighting for the same 2 stupid states that we already tried. FL and Ohio.

So this post you're saying Obama will win VA because the dems keep winning there but in the PREVIOUS POST ON THIS PAGE you say Obama can't take the south for granted because of veiled racism. Ok...

If you believe the Obama stripper, you might be disappointed when she doesn't give the blowjob.

If you believe the McCain stripper, you're going to be really disappointed when you get the clap.

:lol :lol

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

So we shouldn't believe anything they say or put out?

How do we judge them, then?

i try to judge them by past actions and associations. Not everything they say is bullshit, but come on you know a politicians number one job is to get elected, number two serve the people.

 

[capslock]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/14/103042/902/965/597033

Anti-Palin rally by Alaskan women.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Obama was a state senator about as long as Palin was a mayor, and he's been a senator slightly longer than she's been a governor.

They both have a pretty short resume for the job.

Not that I'd care anyway, since "experience" does

Mayor of 6000 vs State Senator with a constituency larger than Alaska. :lol

Yeah, that's comparable. :lol

 

[mckmas8808]

And leave it @ 15% for people making under 250k?

Yes. That's exactly what Obama said. I'm glad more people are finding out what Obama tax plan really is.

 

[dkeane]

This made me laugh...

 

[rSpooky]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/14/103042/902/965/597033

Anti-Palin rally by Alaskan women.

wow.that was a pretty big turnout

 

[Mason]

McCain/Palin: Unstable/Unable


I love it

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

Mayor of 6000 vs State Senator with a constituency larger than Alaska. :lol

Yeah, that's comparable. :lol

you really gonna argue that a senator does more than a governor, or even mayor for that matter? im not saying shes more experienced or qualified the he is, but come on.

 

[mckmas8808]

So this post you're saying Obama will win VA because the dems keep winning there but in the PREVIOUS POST ON THIS PAGE you say Obama can't take the south for granted because of veiled racism. Ok...



:lol :lol

The thing to remember is in VA we have enough black people to equal off the racist vote. The tidewater area and Richmond city have a crazy amount of black people. All I see is Obama for President hats and shirts, with black people that never really voted.

Students at VCU are crazy for Obama.

 

[Tamanon]

you really gonna argue that a senator does more than a governor, or even mayor for that matter? im not saying shes more experienced or qualified the he is, but come on.

I would certainly argue that a senator does more than a mayor. Hell I'd argue that a city council member does more than a mayor.

 

[road2serfdom]

Looks like someone posted a spy video of an Obama strategy session:

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=n1ronxelmtin

 

[Tamanon]

Looks like someone posted a spy video of an Obama strategy session:

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=n1ronxelmtin

Dynamite drop-in, Monty.

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

This made me laugh...

this is what has become of American democracy, doesn't this make anyone a little sad we don't show an ounce of respect anymore? (yes i admit im guilty of it too, but at least im slightly ashamed)

 

[StoOgE]

Yes, Obama "lost" his undergraduate paper on Russia/US relations regarding Nukes.

This isnt a fucking thesis paper, it is an undergrad paper from a class on US/Russian relations. Do you know how many undergrad papers I wrote? Probably 50-60 in my coursework. Do you know how many of those I still have? 1. A rough draft that I found on an old memory stick. I graduated 3 years ago.

Obama graduated 20 years ago.

Seriously.

PHD thesis = kept by the university.
Everything else = no one gives a shit about it.

 

[AndyIsTheMoran]

The thing to remember is in VA we have enough black people to equal off the racist vote. The tidewater area and Richmond city have a crazy amount of black people. All I see is Obama for President hats and shirts, with black people that never really voted.

Students at VCU are crazy for Obama.

i think youre greatly overplaying racism. The type of people who wouldn't vote for a man because hes black probably isn't exactly a "motivated voter" imo. Besides im sure there are some black Americans who will vote for Obama simply because he is black and on no issues, so this cancels out the few who wont vote for him simply because he is black.

 

[StoOgE]

this is what has become of American democracy, doesn't this make anyone a little sad we don't show an ounce of respect anymore? (yes i admit im guilty of it too, but at least im slightly ashamed)

Yes, no one has ever openly mocked a political figure before today. Sexist.

 

[Cloudy]

Latest odds:

Barack Obama -150
John McCain +110

With all the McCain momentum, I thought he'd be closer. Seems like there's still a lot more money on Obama..

 

[Stoney Mason]

this is what has become of American democracy, doesn't this make anyone a little sad we don't show an ounce of respect anymore? (yes i admit im guilty of it too, but at least im slightly ashamed)