Or more to the point, compare what Obama did in Illinois to what Palin did as mayor.Tamanon said:
On that note, read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26695078/
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On that note, read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26695078/
teruterubozu
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AndyIsTheMoney said:
Just as offensive as a Muslim cartoon. Jihad now!
The Blue Jihad
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Mason said:
Real Leaders Don't Cram for the Interviews
AndyIsTheMoran
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StoOgE said:
satire and mocking has always existed. but there seems to be a searing hate for the other side, almost as if they don't consider them as human beings. Hey i know this is the pot calling the kettle black here, ive been very guilty of it. anyways it was just a simple observation. ignore it or bash it like most of you do with my posts.
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OuterWorldVoice said:
yeah your probably right, there are probably some old racist voters. but i think Obama will also bring many, many new voters to the booths who would have otherwise never voted in an election. So theres good along with the bad
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The Blue Jihad said:
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AndyIsTheMoney said:
Yes that was my point and why he could win VA.
Stoney Mason
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capslock said:
What a bunch of sexists!
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The Blue Jihad said:
Freedom = $1.05
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Shins said:
Why so serious? I'm from Florida, FFS. It's one-third of G/A/F yet you don't see me taking every dumb thing done by other Floridians so personal.
And we fucked up a presidential election.
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Why does Palin deserve respect? For the lies? For the earmarks 180 degree turn? For being a flaming hypocrite on sex ed? For trying to ban a book while refusing to read it? Please, enlighten me.AndyIsTheMoney said:
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AndyIsTheMoney said:
:lol why did i imagine you saying that while eating some obama waffles!
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beaten!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/_SEIU_TV_for_Obama.html?showall
SEIU ad for Obama. Pretty effective.
SEIU ad for Obama. Pretty effective.
AndyIsTheMoran
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just thought i would show the haters
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GhaleonEB said:
The things she has done in her time as a "small town mayor" who kept government "open" smack of Bush/Cheney. She surrounded herself with familiar people that had no qualifications (Who she knew from school or from church) and appointed them to high-paying government positions with little to no credentials to support their hirings.
It truly is baffling that this hasn't destroyed her. Where is the CNN coverage?
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AndyIsTheMoney said:
I'm going to argue he does a hell of a lot more than a mayor of a 6000-person town.
My hometown had 4000 people and the mayor's job was part time.
I'll give you governor, but that's a couple of years vs Barack's 8 with a larger constituency *before* becoming a Senator. Now his constituency is about 10x hers. Granted, hers has different responsibilities, but it also has zero nation-wide or international aspects.
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mckmas8808 said:
Shit. My memory was a bit hazy on the subject:
I think both candidates agree that, let's say a couple makes a $500,000 profit from selling their home (If you're single it would be $250,000). That's tax free. Anything over, that's when the two differ when it comes to capital gains tax.
But yeah. McCain will keep it at 15% and Obama 20% for those income over $250,000.
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AndyIsTheMoney said:just thought i would show the haters
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Not aimed at you but one of the minor frustrating elements in debating the "Republicans", or "Conservatives" or "Libertarians" (I know that is supposed to be a separate ideology) on the board is that they generally claim not to (or don't) reflect the mass of Republicans that exist in this country. By that I mean the Republican brand is in such tatters at the moment that very few people anymore on this board take up the active defense of George Bush or even John Mccain for that matter like they did a few years ago. Therefore there is always a disconnect because many of the liberals actually support the Democratic candidates and take the good along with the bad into arguing debates where as some stay cooly on the side and have an easier task of simply taking potshots at one candidate while denying they support the other. No saying there is anything necessarily wrong with this. Just noting that it occurs quite a bit.
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iby.h said:
given the strength of Obama's ground game, and huge advantage in newly registered voters in swing states, I'd say a statistical tie on a weekend is VERY good news.
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saelz8 said:
Even worse than the 70s?
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Stoney Mason said:
ill defend bush on many issues. The war in Afghanistan was very well operated and quickly accomplished. Iraq also was a successful invasion (its the occupation that has been bad at points). The surge which has been successful. His support for aids treatment in Africa. Trying to do something with the failing education system with no child left behind. The tax cuts, and the market reaching an all time high just a couple years ago. Getting Libya To Give Up Its WMD Programs in 2003. Also, North Korea giving up its nuclear ambitions (although i know they are talking of re-instating it)
of course he has failures too. Katrina, failure after the fall of Iraq. Lack of oversight which allowed mortgage lenders to give low interest loans to every person who asked, and leading to the mortgage crisis. Underestimating Russia. Huge government spending and deficit. Not handling the illegal immigration problem
I have an enormous amount of respect for what John McCain has went through, and accomplished.
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capslock said:
:lol
To be fair, the 1870's were pretty fucking boring.
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I don't think "Greenspan" and "too young" have ever before been uttered in the same sentence.capslock said:
AndyIsTheMoney said:
What the fuck have you been paying attention to?
Afghanistan a success? Half the fucking country is out of the central government control. Of the region we do have some form of control of it, a big chunk of that is because we are looking the other way on drug lords business dealings. Afghanistans destabalizing effect has now reached across to the tribal regions of Pakistan, and in case you didnt notice, that country now hates us too. Their government has given their army authorization to shoot US forces that cross the border.
No child left behind a "good point" its a complete fucking failure.
You give Bush credit for the economy hitting an "all time high" just a few years ago. It was the lack of oversight in the lending industry that allowed the market to hit that all time high. Most economists now believe we are fealing the effects of the 2001 recession that never really ended compounded by the collapse of the financial sector. The economy never recovered from Bush's first recession, smoke and mirrors propped it up for a few years and now that those have collapsed we are in worse shape than we were before real estate "saved us".
His tax cuts are assinine too, what kind of fiscal conservative cuts taxes while waging 2 wars? Its beyond stupid.
and what has the surge accomplished? A decrease in violence? That is all well and good, but the Iraqi government is fucked. There are basically 3 seperate regions that dont communicate with each other, we are having to pay off warlords to fight for us, and the Iraqi government is refusing to pay for its own security. What we have is a less violent region, but we are propping that up. Very little political reconcilliation has taken place.
North Korea isnt a success yet, it way too premature to give him credit there.
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AndyIsTheMoney said:
That's a fairly positive outlook on Afghanistan, no?
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The economy hasn't hit any "all-time high" under Bush except the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which better have, since it's not adjusted for inflation and corporations are growth-based. I'd expect the DJII hit all-time highs in nearly every President's administration since the depression.
That's the scariest unknown.Soybean said:
One would hope that the "better ground game effect" would cancel out the Bradley Effect, at least in the battleground states with a heavy ground organization. But who knows. We've never had a black/white candidate race on a national level.
Afghanistan has gone so well that the troops we're pulling out of Iraq now need to be relocated there to counter increased militarism in the tribal region. and what does it mean that Iraq was a successful invasion? Iraq has always been a paper tiger, and the biggest question mark was what happens after the government was toppled, not how. if it was managed better the surge might not have been necessary. thanks to Rumsfeld mismanagement we invaded Iraq with too few troops, no security plan, a threadbare reconstruction agenda and no exit strategy.AndyIsTheMoney said:
and to give Bush credit for any success in Iraq's security situation is bullshit. the troops are to thank, not for Bush finally realizing we needed more. it also does a disservice to the Awakening, which may or may not bite us in the ass later once Maliki assumes control of the operation.
as to Bush's economy management - our GDP growth was completely dependent on massive consumer debt spending thanks to low interest rates and a runaway housing bubble that the administration and Fed Reserve fostered. tax cuts didn't grow spending - cheap credit did.
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