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PoliGAF Interim Thread of Tears/Lapel Pins (ScratchingHisCheek-Gate)
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siamesedreamer
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GaimeGuy said:
That's not what the statement is about.
I personally think the fact that this comment was made at a fundraiser with a bunch of rich people makes it significantly worse.
siamesedreamer said:
Yeah, especially considering the sound quality, you'd think a rich person would be able to afford better recording equipment.
The statement itself was about why bitterness and divisiveness has taken root in America, in a greater scheme, it was about the difficulty of getting people to buy into your message when they distrust government.
XxenobladerxX
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To fix a problem,you have to understand it. Thats whats hes doing,and hes getting shit for it.
Funky Papa
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I am picturing Hillary.Xeke said:
Not cool, man.
backbreaker65
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Critical Thinking is a lost art, lost in idiots choosing sides and not thinking.
It doesn't matter if it's technically true or not.
I'm sure the "typical white person" is also afraid of being mugged by muggers who tend to be black, too.
But that doesn't mean you say that or just let your mouth fly like that.
He deserves to be hit by this.
To argue about whether or not this is actually true is beside the point. Of course much of Pennsylvania is a shit hole. You don't insult a large portion of a state you're trying to win over. You don't insult a group of people that you're already having trouble politically connecting with.
Because regardless of whether or not it's true, it also is about Obama subtley talking down to those people, because the subtext is "Those people...". He deserves the hit.
I'm sure the "typical white person" is also afraid of being mugged by muggers who tend to be black, too.
But that doesn't mean you say that or just let your mouth fly like that.
He deserves to be hit by this.
To argue about whether or not this is actually true is beside the point. Of course much of Pennsylvania is a shit hole. You don't insult a large portion of a state you're trying to win over. You don't insult a group of people that you're already having trouble politically connecting with.
Because regardless of whether or not it's true, it also is about Obama subtley talking down to those people, because the subtext is "Those people...". He deserves the hit.
Star Power
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CoolTrick said:
1. He was not insulting them.
2. It does matter whether or not it's true when he's being attacked for making a nuanced observation... He should just say the politically right thing then? Wouldn't you then attack him for playing politics? "What happened to the politics of hope and change?"
Star Power said:
So, I'm just wondering, was the "typical white person" comment a "nuanced observation"? I'm just trying to determine where you've set your line -- if there is any -- to admit that Obama screws up when he does impromptu speeches.
I've never lived in small town Pennsylvania. I never said I agreed with what he said. I said the point isn't about whether or not it's true. And FYI, I think a lot of Pennsylvania is in the shit hole, but not because the people there are essentially to fucking cynical to buy Obama's soaring rhetoric.
Star Power
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CoolTrick said:
He shouldn't have said "typical white person" because the word "typical" is loaded and you then have people saying "ZOMG OBAMA IS RACIST WHAT IF I SAID TYPICAL BLACK PERSON", but the message of what he said wasn't particularly off or wrong. It was an observation about a member of his family who he obviously loves, and a broader cultural/social trend..
XxenobladerxX
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Then sit down and shut up.CoolTrick said:
soul creator
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"To argue about whether or not this is actually true is beside the point"
that statement sums up so much about our country these days
that statement sums up so much about our country these days
You don't get it.
None of the responses from Hillary or McCain talk about how what Obama said is inherently false. They play on the political incorrectness of what he said AND that there is a subtle talking-down tp these people from Obama.
That's up to interpretation though. Intentionally insulting? No. But who is ever INTENTIONALLY insulting in that situation? It was a slip on his part that is part of a storyline about Obama and this kind of voter.
BTW, Chuck Todd had a good point earlier today, Bill Clinton probably wouldn't have been able to make it into the White House in the Youtube age with the way he speaks also.:lol
Cooltrick: So, again, you're saying the truth does not matter, the only thing that matters is how it makes people feel....which is kinda an ironic stance for an Obama-hater.
Cooltrick: So, again, you're saying the truth does not matter, the only thing that matters is how it makes people feel....which is kinda an ironic stance for an Obama-hater.
CoolTrick said:
From what I've read about the guy, I don't think he's the type that would insult this type of voter. He seems to be pretty against the type of activities that led to the massive job loss in states like PA in the first place. Unless he had a major change of heart since he wrote "The Audacity of Hope," I think painting him as an elite and hater of small town America is pretty disingenuous. The only reason this gets out in this fashion is because "Obama is not a good guy?" equals ratings, and because certain people are extremely desperate for ammo.
siamesedreamer
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thekad said:
You haven't met your "racist" quota for today.
Cooltrick is right, the connotation is "those people"..."that way of life". It was a denegrating and sweeping generalization spoken to a bunch of rich people that was never meant to be heard by anyone outside that room.
soul creator
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Well, if people find it arrogant and patronizing on TOP of it obviously being politically incorrect, then chyeah.
I don't think he would try to insult them either.
But no one is arguing he intentionally was being insulting.
It's another insight into Obama, and his subtle views on things. In this case, it's a bad slip up.
backbreaker65
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Now that we have the statement in context is it still an attack on small town america?
From a participant at the fund raise
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
goodnrg
I was at this event. As with her article on his Vice President remarks at the same event, Ms. Fowler has taken Mr. Obama's remarks out of context in order to fit some notion of her ideas about the audience or her perception of Obama's personality. She neglects to mention that his remarks on Pennsylvania were in response to a couple that was going to Pennsylvania to work for the campaign. They wanted to know what questions people were going to ask. I guess that doesn't make as good a story as saying he "made a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience". Yes, there were some wealthy people at the event, but there were a lot of supporters there who were not wealthy, as with the couple going to Pennsylvania. It's more in her own mind that the attendants at the event needed to be explained the difference between "Turkeyfoot and Marin county". It 's interesting how so many of her articles are geared toward making Obama seem cocky or elitist. Maybe she can smuggle some recording equipment into another private fundraiser at someone's house and take some more remarks out of context that she can spin in this direction in the future...It's sad.
From a participant at the fund raise
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
goodnrg
I was at this event. As with her article on his Vice President remarks at the same event, Ms. Fowler has taken Mr. Obama's remarks out of context in order to fit some notion of her ideas about the audience or her perception of Obama's personality. She neglects to mention that his remarks on Pennsylvania were in response to a couple that was going to Pennsylvania to work for the campaign. They wanted to know what questions people were going to ask. I guess that doesn't make as good a story as saying he "made a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience". Yes, there were some wealthy people at the event, but there were a lot of supporters there who were not wealthy, as with the couple going to Pennsylvania. It's more in her own mind that the attendants at the event needed to be explained the difference between "Turkeyfoot and Marin county". It 's interesting how so many of her articles are geared toward making Obama seem cocky or elitist. Maybe she can smuggle some recording equipment into another private fundraiser at someone's house and take some more remarks out of context that she can spin in this direction in the future...It's sad.
XxenobladerxX
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Are you fucking serious?gluv65 said:
Star Power
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CoolTrick said:
How are you getting this from that statement? You are really reaching here.
Was it a poor choice of words? Sure, and he'll get shit from the media. But his response from the town hall shows that trying to paint him as "out of touch" because of what he said is wrong. I think he's genuinely trying to challenge people to think, which of course is probably not going to work too well in a lot of places but one can always hope that it does.
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