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PoliGAF Interim Thread of Tears/Lapel Pins (ScratchingHisCheek-Gate)

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gcubed

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scorcho said:
McCain a better steward of the economy?

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1619209020080416


thank you American public.

again, dont look into vs polls right now, he's getting a free ride to spout whatever he wants. Wait until there is focus on him.

McCain is a walking contradiction, once the dem primary is over, you'll see his numbers fall... i liked mccain, until he bent over and grabbed his ankles all in the name of the republican nom
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
i don't care about the voter trends they're illustrating between mccain/obama and mccain/clinton. what i find amazing is that (apparently clueless) people actually trust mccain with managing the economy more than either Democrat.
 

gcubed

Member
scorcho said:
i don't care about the voter trends they're illustrating between mccain/obama and mccain/clinton. what i find amazing is that (apparently clueless) people actually trust mccain with managing the economy more than either Democrat.

voter trends, whether we like it or not, are shaped by the news. There is no news on McCain besides a 30 second blurb here and there.
 
Barack Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show. Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator's presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign-finance data shows.

Thirty-one of the 38 are law firm partners, who typically receive a share of their firms' lobbying fees. At least six of them have some managerial authority over lobbyists.

"It makes no difference whether the person is a registered lobbyist or the partner of a registered lobbyist, if the person is raising money to get access or curry favor," said Michael Malbin, director of the Campaign Finance Institute, a non-partisan think tank. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said that while Obama's refusal to take money from lobbyists "isn't a perfect solution … it does reflect Obama's record of trying to change the way that Washington does business." He declined to elaborate.

USA Today
 

theBishop

Banned
polyh3dron said:
Remember how she said that no matter who gets the nom, the Democratic party will be united? With all this bullshit she has pulled she will have a lot of making up to do if she loses. I'm talking about getting Hillary to actively campaign for Obama. That's the least she can do to make up for the damage she has done.

I imagine Hillary campaigning for Barack would be about as effective as Bill campaigning for Hillary...
 
I'm glad Obama is getting this much flak from so many directions...ultimate vindication when he becomes President of the United States of America.
 

tanod

when is my burrito
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/16/901481.aspx

Uh oh. One of those outraged by Obama’s comments in Hillary Clinton’s TV new ad is actually registered to vote in New Jersey, although he just moved to Bethlehem. “He said he has been volunteering for the campaign in recent weeks, handing out literature and making phone calls. He said the campaign approached him about appearing in the ad, which was filmed in Bethlehem, a city of about 72,000 residents in eastern Pennsylvania where Bethlehem Steel once stood tall. ‘They gave me no script,’ he said.
 
The website of the Constitution Party, which has national headquarters in the well-known political hub of Lancaster, Pa., proclaims its political goal as "to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundations." The party holds its presidential nominating convention later this month in Kansas City, which is famous for great barbecue.

the fuck?
 

Azih

Member
theBishop said:
I imagine Hillary campaigning for Barack would be about as effective as Bill campaigning for Hillary...
Depends. If she's restricted to healing the bitter wounds of older white women and feminists it would be very good for the Democrats.
 

Cheebs

Member
I doubt Obama will ask the Clintons to campaign much.

Prediction?

Obama will send Kerry out far more than he sends Bill Clinton out.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
schuelma said:
I think stuff like that is a direct result of all this "silly season" crap that has been going on lately.

McCain gets to largely remain above the fray while Clinton and Obama trade insults.

This needs to end, soon.
Dude she was supposed to drop out if she didn't wind by landslide margins in Texas and Ohio.

The only thing that's going to stop hilary from taking this to the convention is if Dean, Carter, Gore, AND Pelosi come out and do something.
 

Cheebs

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Michael Dukakis (Obama supporter) today said he helping to construct a "super delegate convention" in June. George McGovern is also on board apparently.
 
GaimeGuy said:
Dude she was supposed to drop out if she didn't wind by landslide margins in Texas and Ohio.

The only thing that's going to stop hilary from taking this to the convention is if Dean, Carter, Gore, AND Pelosi come out and do something.
Or a loss in PA.

But we all know thats not going to happen. :(
 

theBishop

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Azih said:
Depends. If she's restricted to healing the bitter wounds of older white women and feminists it would be very good for the Democrats.

If an endorsement from Alice Walker isn't enough to convince "the feminists", Clinton isn't going to help.
 

Tamanon

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theBishop said:
If an endorsement from Alice Walker isn't enough to convince "the feminists", Clinton isn't going to help.

Ironically, I don't think Clinton really has the "feminist" vote. At least not in overwhelming numbers. The way she's run her campaign, especially the focus on her time as Bill's wife as experience might've hurt her there.
 

Azih

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Well I'm more speaking to the hillaryis44 crowd, even a good portion of those nuts would swing around if Hillary played the good sincere gracious loser with plenty of urging people to vote for Obama, and so getting that across to the 20+% of her supporters who say they would never vote Obama would be useful.
 

JayDubya

Banned
Crushed said:
Am I the only one who never understood why saying that people are angry and bitter is somehow supposed to be insulting.

That part? Not necessarily insulting.

Suggesting that people cling to non-San Francisco leftist political views because they're bitter and need only to be shown the light of hope from Barry's messianic asscrack? Pretty insulting.
 

Crushed

Fry Daddy
JayDubya said:
Suggesting that people cling to non-San Francisco leftist political views because they're bitter and need only to be shown the light of hope from Barry's messianic asscrack? Pretty insulting.
Yeah but he didn't say that.
 

theBishop

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Crushed said:
Am I the only one who never understood why saying that people are angry and bitter is somehow supposed to be insulting.

I saw Michael Nutter on Larry King last night saying "don't characterize people and say they are bitter and angry. Pennsylvanians are happy...", etc. Guess what, you just characterized us!

The Clinton's seem to think they can make any generalization they want as long as it is optimistic and happy.
 

harSon

Banned
JayDubya said:
That part? Not necessarily insulting.

Suggesting that people cling to non-San Francisco leftist political views because they're bitter and need only to be shown the light of hope from Barry's messianic asscrack? Pretty insulting.

It's mainly interpreted that way by those who have an agenda or were not going to vote for him in the first place. This is evident by the polls number which have him either A) Polling the same as he did before his remarks or B) Polling even better then he did before the remarks.
 

Tamanon

Banned
The Clinton campaign has a problem with how they respond to things. They really shouldn't even have taken issue with the whole "bitter" moniker. It makes their attack easy to deflect, plus it really doesn't hurt. But that's been the focus most of this time, including their "grassroots" "I'm not bitter" stickers they've been handing out at NC events. But now that they have chosen that portion of the comments to attack, they really can't switch up.
 

APF

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NYTimes said:
Studying the Intersection of Politics and Pantry

[...]

Democratic women, a demographic group likely to support Hillary Clinton, have an affinity for fruit-filled cookies. Mr. Obama’s supporters intensely dislike vanilla wafers. And if McCain supporters had a favorite cookie, it would likely be one like Chips Ahoy.

The family restaurant Fuddruckers and fast-food restaurant Hardee’s were favorites among likely McCain voters. Mrs. Clinton’s likely supporters skewed toward Red Lobster and Krispy Kreme. The Cheesecake Factory, along with Panera Bread and Starbucks, were popular among groups likely to vote for Mr. Obama.

His strength among latte drinkers was confirmed by the software developers and restaurant geeks who created Urbanspoon.com. Last year, they developed a steak-sushi index showing that cities with more steak restaurants also have more Republican victories.

This year, they found that states with more Starbucks cafes are more likely to go for Obama.

[...]

Snacks that skew McCain are Sun Chips and PowerOne bars. Clinton snacks are Newman’s Own pretzels and the Luna Bar. Obama snackers would prefer Kettle Chips and the vegan Lara Bar.

Cereals fall this way: Fiber One, McCain. Kashi GoLean, Clinton. Bear Naked Granola, Obama. And for hamburgers, McCain voters prefer traditional corn-fed beef, Obama supporters grass-fed beef, and Clinton supporters a Boca Burger.

And what did Mr. Hartman predict they would drink with those burgers? A McCain voter might reach for a SoBe energy drink, a Clinton supporter an Odwalla Super Protein drink, and for an Obama supporter, an Izze sparkling juice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/dining/16vside.html
 
JayDubya said:
That part? Not necessarily insulting.

Suggesting that people cling to non-San Francisco leftist political views because they're bitter and need only to be shown the light of hope from Barry's messianic asscrack? Pretty insulting.

The problem is the whole quote is being used out of context.

The whole quote in its comprehension he is stating the things people "vote" on when failed administrations make promises for decades, they don't vote on their economic interest anymore, they vote on things they can count on and then he gives a list of items. Using the word cling wasn't the best word to use.

Some how this quote is being used to suggest he's talking about the people when in fact he's talking about the government.

And contrary to this he only said this behind close doors is false. He stated the same thing 4 years ago on the Charlie Rose show, he's been consistent with his statement, just not artful in the language this time around.
 

APF

Member
Tamanon said:
The Clinton campaign has a problem with how they respond to things. They really shouldn't even have taken issue with the whole "bitter" moniker. It makes their attack easy to deflect, plus it really doesn't hurt. But that's been the focus most of this time, including their "grassroots" "I'm not bitter" stickers they've been handing out at NC events. But now that they have chosen that portion of the comments to attack, they really can't switch up.
Exactly. Unfortunately, being anti-"bitter" is easier from a soundbyte and bumper-sticker perspective, than addressing the real fallacies / etc in what Obama was saying.


gluv65: http://www.slate.com/id/2189011/
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
APF said:

I imagine Rich Lowry to be you sans the self-awareness:

'BITTER' BLUNDER: OBAMA'S ELITIST ARROGANCE

Obama has apologized for his phrasing while defending the substance of his statement. And why not? He was retailing an article of left-wing orthodoxy going back centuries: that the working class is distracted by religion and other peripheral concerns from focusing on its economic interests and embracing socialism.

Has Jonah Goldberg linked his statements to fascism yet?
 
From Kos
Just when did Montana politico Bill Kennedy decide to endorse Hillary Clinton?

The Clinton campaign has suggested the Yellowstone County commissioner picked Clinton only after he heard Barack Obama's now famous "bitter" comments. But Kennedy told FOX News on Tuesday that he decided on Clinton long before that.

"I had been leaning toward Hillary for months," Kennedy said. "I actually decided to endorse her two weeks ago."

The timeline dispute could prove embarrassing for the Clinton campaign, which for days, has been doing everything it can to exploit the April 6 comments and paint Obama as elitist.

whoops
 

Lemonz

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Obama's still holding at the 50's
 

hokahey

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I'll just be happy when this bullshit is over. If Clinton and Obama effectively destroy each other to the point that another Republican wins the WH I'm done with this party forever. They continually find ways to just fuck up, and this will be the final straw for me. If they can't take down the Republicans after the last 8 years then it's time to find a party that can find it's own ass.
 
siamesedreamer said:
Murtha: "McCain be too old"

Context
Introducing Hillary this morning, Rep. John Murtha took a swipe at McCain's age:

"We all get older and this one guy running's about as old as me," Murtha said. "Let me tell you something: It's no old man's job," he said. "He said I was too old for the job one time because he disagreed with my policy. Well, I said 'Well, I'm the same age as you.' And he said 'Well, I'm different.'"

I didn't catch the reference at first, but I'm reminded he was recalling a New Republic interview with Byron York in which McCain explained away Murtha's opposition to the Iraq war.

Using language that Bush never could, McCain tells me that Murtha has become too emotional about the human cost of the war. “As we get older, we get more sentimental,” McCain says. “And [Murtha] has been very, very affected by the funerals and the families. But you cannot let that affect the way you decide policy.”

McCain is now 71; Murtha is 75.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Murthas_long_memory.html
 

Bowser

Member
McCain’s campaign immediately condemned Murtha’s remarks, saying trail activities like his late-night talk show appearances should eliminate any voter doubt about the Arizona senator’s stamina for the office, in a statement that did not mention Clinton, taking aim instead at Barack Obama.

"I think people will evaluate John McCain through the type of campaign he is running, whether it is through appearances on shows like Letterman and Leno, whether its through the fifteen hour days on the campaign trail,” McCain's senior advisor Steve Schmidt. “He’s a person who’s in great physical shape, who has outworked every other campaign on the Republican side, and you know, has a much tougher and demanding schedule than Senator Obama."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-mccain-is-too-old-for-oval-office/#more-6485

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human5892

Queen of Denmark
I just had a frustrating conversation with two people -- Obama supporters, even -- who were concerned that if Hillary wins PA, it's all over.

I wasn't frustrated at them, but rather the media for continuing to artificially string this along. The two people kept saying "But I just keep hearing how PA is going to decide the whole race," or "But they said on CNN this morning..." etc. etc. etc. In the end I referred them to Chuck Todd.
 
human5892 said:
I just had a frustrating conversation with two people -- Obama supporters, even -- who were concerned that if Hillary wins PA, it's all over.

I wasn't frustrated at them, but rather the media for continuing to artificially string this along. The two people kept saying "But I just keep hearing how PA is going to decide the whole race," or "But they said on CNN this morning..." etc. etc. etc. In the end I referred them to Chuck Todd.

Clinton has all the momentum right now, and when she wins in Penn. it'll only increase. She doesn't have the math on her side though, which is the important thing. Unless Obama does something outrageous between now and June 1-3rd he's golden. I'd imagine Clinton will b trying her best to trip him up tonight. This should be a defining debate imo
 

Triumph

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
Clinton has all the momentum right now, and when she wins in Penn. it'll only increase. She doesn't have the math on her side though, which is the important thing. Unless Obama does something outrageous between now and June 1-3rd he's golden. I'd imagine Clinton will b trying her best to trip him up tonight. This should be a defining debate imo
Can you describe exactly how Clinton has "all the momentum right now"? I'm not seeing it, must be the bubble I'm living in.
 

Xeke

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
Clinton has all the momentum right now, and when she wins in Penn. it'll only increase. She doesn't have the math on her side though, which is the important thing. Unless Obama does something outrageous between now and June 1-3rd he's golden. I'd imagine Clinton will b trying her best to trip him up tonight. This should be a defining debate imo

But she already lost the nomination to any person who can reason so...
 
Triumph said:
Can you describe exactly how Clinton has "all the momentum right now"? I'm not seeing it, must be the bubble I'm living in.

She's coming off wins in Ohio and Texas (yes, it was a win for her). While the sniper story hurt her, Obama's been on the defensive all month with either Wright or Bittergate. She's posed to win Penn., and I really think the margin of victory will be larger than expected (I'm sticking to my 10% prediction). After that I think she'll be able to erase Obama's lead in Indiana, where the demographic favor her. But of course the problem is that she won't win handily enough to make much of a gain in delegates
 
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