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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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speculawyer
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PantherLotus said:
Foreshadowing of McCain dropping his running-mate?
ryutaro's mama
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Cloudy said:
Zeliard said:
Biden's not that educated, and McCain's chief economic advisor is Douglas Holtz-Eakin. The two presidents who achieved the most progressive goals, FDR and LBJ, weren't thought of as intellectuals. Dubya went to Yale and Harvard.
That said, Obama is a wonk who is comfortable with the details of policy, deferential to actual expertise, well-grounded in the big picture debates, and sharp enough to smell out obvious bullshit whereas McCain is a grumpy egotist who boils everything down to personal morality and is happy to indulge his party's long tradition of anti-intellectualism.
I almost feel sorry for her at this point.
They've now had a couple of weeks to try and run an Eliza Doolittle job on her, and it isn't working. The more facts they try to jam into her head, the more random nonsense she ends up spewing.
They need to just stop it with the interviews. They're not doing themselves any favors, unless they're going for pity votes.
They've now had a couple of weeks to try and run an Eliza Doolittle job on her, and it isn't working. The more facts they try to jam into her head, the more random nonsense she ends up spewing.
They need to just stop it with the interviews. They're not doing themselves any favors, unless they're going for pity votes.
sevenchaos
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They're not complete morons.ryutaro's mama said:
ryutaro's mama
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sevenchaos said:
Of course not and I wasn't implyng they were.
Just that sometimes the unexpected get into office.
Believe me, I'm no fan of Failin.
The Chosen One
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What a day... :lol I got very little work done. I think it's safe to post now that the thread has slowed down some.
A few thoughts:
- McCain is the most reactionary candidate I've seen in my life at this level. When this is over and when/if McCain loses the election the Republican establishment will rip him to shreds over how he conducted his campaign. But you gotta give credit to McCain. If he's going to go down, he's going to go down fighting in a blaze of glory. Kerry, Dukakis, and other Dem losers basically just rolled over and died without putting up much of a fight. Probably could Bob Dole to the list too. McCain is willing to go bat-sh*t insane so it at least makes the election interesting.
- The worst part of McCain's tactic today is that if the bill passes tomorrow, it will appear he made a rash decision. He wanted suspend campaigning and the debates for something that was going to get resolved the next day anyway. And if the bill passes on Friday or later, McCain will have a significant ownership on whatever passes. That's not smart either politically. If the bill ends up being a total mess, he will be one of the key players involved perception-wise. Whereas Obama is playing it cool (and smart) by giving overall support to bi-partisan efforts but mostly staying detached from the nitty gritty details and any perceived ownership.
- The Katie Couric/Palin interview was simply.... embarrassing. I mentioned in the other thread how I thought the Katie Couric interview would give us some insight on how Palin is progressing for the VP debate. She hasn't progressed AT ALL. With the debate just a week away she still gets flustered when faced with a question that she doesn't have a direct talking point for. Palin literally had momentary paralysis when Katie Couric asked a follow-up question on Rick Davis. If she does that in the debate, she's toast.
And I blame the McCain campaign. They've kept her in such a tight bubble that she's not gained any experience with handling questions from a non-friendly crowd in the past month. She's obviously a featherweight but keeping her in a cocoon isn't making her any stronger and is probably having the opposite effect.
A few thoughts:
- McCain is the most reactionary candidate I've seen in my life at this level. When this is over and when/if McCain loses the election the Republican establishment will rip him to shreds over how he conducted his campaign. But you gotta give credit to McCain. If he's going to go down, he's going to go down fighting in a blaze of glory. Kerry, Dukakis, and other Dem losers basically just rolled over and died without putting up much of a fight. Probably could Bob Dole to the list too. McCain is willing to go bat-sh*t insane so it at least makes the election interesting.
- The worst part of McCain's tactic today is that if the bill passes tomorrow, it will appear he made a rash decision. He wanted suspend campaigning and the debates for something that was going to get resolved the next day anyway. And if the bill passes on Friday or later, McCain will have a significant ownership on whatever passes. That's not smart either politically. If the bill ends up being a total mess, he will be one of the key players involved perception-wise. Whereas Obama is playing it cool (and smart) by giving overall support to bi-partisan efforts but mostly staying detached from the nitty gritty details and any perceived ownership.
- The Katie Couric/Palin interview was simply.... embarrassing. I mentioned in the other thread how I thought the Katie Couric interview would give us some insight on how Palin is progressing for the VP debate. She hasn't progressed AT ALL. With the debate just a week away she still gets flustered when faced with a question that she doesn't have a direct talking point for. Palin literally had momentary paralysis when Katie Couric asked a follow-up question on Rick Davis. If she does that in the debate, she's toast.
And I blame the McCain campaign. They've kept her in such a tight bubble that she's not gained any experience with handling questions from a non-friendly crowd in the past month. She's obviously a featherweight but keeping her in a cocoon isn't making her any stronger and is probably having the opposite effect.
Price Dalton
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Bulla564 said:
You ever consider running?
Hasett, McCain's economic adviser, has a PhD from Penn. I thought we moved on from the education is autonomous to great leadership as President. Our current president kind of proved that point.
Nice to know the thread has devolved into one liners of "idiot," "moron," and my personal favorite "fucking pussy."
soul creator
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for some reason, I can totally imagine McCain knocking over magazine racks when leaving a Gamestop
The only thing anyone will need to do to prove the false pretense of McCain's "Hero of the Hour" stunt is to show how he claimed he needed to cancel his Letterman appearance in order to get back to Washington only to be caught taping an interview with Couric a few blocks over at that very moment.The Chosen One said:
devilhawk said:
Bush was a C student at those schools. Goolsbee graduated summa cum laude from Yale and then got a doctorate in economics from M.I.T. Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard and became president of the Harvard Law Review.
I know Bush has done wonders to smudge the reputations of Ivy League schools, and I know that education isn't the only critical factor here, but those are still not feats and qualifications to take lightly.
Quite simply, no. As vice president, yes. Does 4 + years of another president/congress aligned- rubber stamp government scare the crap out of me? Oh hell yes.Cloudy said:
Again, McCain's adviser graduated with a doctorate in economics from Penn. Bragging about advisers' education is pointless.
a Master Ninja
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That VP debate is never going to happen, is it?
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Do they allow forfeits in political debates?a Master Ninja said:
I've been trying to avoid reading about politics, and Palin in particular. Her interview with Katie Couric was the first time I've ever heard her speak. My god, that was awful. She looked like a deer staring into the headlights of the Couricmobile. Is it always this much of a trainwreck when she opens her mouth? I can't comprehend why McCain thought it might be a good idea to select her as VP. If he does end up winning, she will go down in history as the worst vice president since Dan Quayle, a legend in her own time.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Am I the only one who has a hard time not reading Goolsbee as Goatse?
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Having Palin as VP is something like having the 15 year old babysitter run a daycare center. Shit just isn't on the same level.
Price Dalton
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3pheMeraLmiX said:
Where did you find this glorious prose?
I almost believe it. That Palin interview is one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen, from anyone, anywhere. It was essentially one long gaffe. Small wonder that McCain's campaign has been trying to protect her from the media, she simply isn't trained for the position. It's not a matter of "inexperience" or other buzzwords--she just clearly hasn't gone through any part of the process required to be a legitimate candidate. I realize I'm probably LTTP on this since I have been avoiding following politics for awhile, but it astonishes me that she was even on the list of potential VP candidates.Cloudy said:
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
funny thing is, she wasn't.:lol She kind of just appeared out of left field.Sharp said:
Bishman said:
I knew it would happen eventually. China's decided to make their own little power play
viciouskillersquirrel
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It's not nice to make fun of those who aren't as intelligent as you. I'll see if I can't spruce up the language, spelling and punctuation a little:3pheMeraLmiX said:
Does this make what he says less stupid?
MaddenNFL64
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liberel.
Price Dalton
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3pheMeraLmiX said:
Oh, man. A comments section. Is there a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than the comments section on a mainstream news site?
Thanks... these are always good for a laugh.
Price Dalton
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Cafe chinos.
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