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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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BotoxAgent
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Obama won, he looked more professional and even tempered. McCain looked and acted like a petulant child.
Zombie James
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It was a draw, maybe a slight edge to Obama because of all the economic talk.
McCain was far more negative, though. Obama would talk about the issues and how he would fix something, McCain would come back with "Obama wants to raise taxes!" or some other shallow attack. No substance from him.
McCain was far more negative, though. Obama would talk about the issues and how he would fix something, McCain would come back with "Obama wants to raise taxes!" or some other shallow attack. No substance from him.
If Obama was being snarky, mean, and condescending, he would be proclaimed "elitist."
Either way, Obama being the "Change" candidate that runs a clean campaign means that he needs to keep his cool and be respectful, but not scared to answer a tough question.
Also, McCain looked like he didn't want to be at the debate. Like he'd rather be at home watching football.
Either way, Obama being the "Change" candidate that runs a clean campaign means that he needs to keep his cool and be respectful, but not scared to answer a tough question.
Also, McCain looked like he didn't want to be at the debate. Like he'd rather be at home watching football.
Death_Born
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Askani said:
OK fine, it wasn't a knockout. But McCain kept spreading FUD the entire time, saying that we would be "defeated" if we entered a phased withdrawal, and lying about Obama's plans with the war and negotiations. I'm wondering why the hell Obama was ignoring this when he could have called McCain out on it.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
GUYS I JUST GOT HOME:
1. if there a feed where I can rewatch the debates?
2. How did it go? sounds like a draw from friend's reactions.
1. if there a feed where I can rewatch the debates?
2. How did it go? sounds like a draw from friend's reactions.
KibblesBits
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That was fun.
Can't wait for next week. :lol
Can't wait for next week. :lol
Keylime
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A draw in the foreign policy debate is essentially an Obama win. This was supposed to be Mccain's strongest area of expertise, and where he is polling the most favorably.giga said:
If McCain comes out of this debate equal or weaker on foreign policy with American voters, he's lost his biggest seen asset.
I'd give the edge to McCain.
I think his experience showed a bit actually. His 'condescension' and 'rudeness' were savvy political moves that carried throughout his delivery tonight. Honestly, it seemed like Obama fell into a trap when he began laughing at what he felt untrue (making it seem retaliatory). Obama continued be the 'I agree with' guy and McCain was on the offensive for a majority of the debate.
Issues and Facts, with help of a good imagination, can be quantitatively swayed in one direction or another, but it doesn't really matter in debates. Face-value is what counts and it seemed McCain outplayed Obama tonight.
I think his experience showed a bit actually. His 'condescension' and 'rudeness' were savvy political moves that carried throughout his delivery tonight. Honestly, it seemed like Obama fell into a trap when he began laughing at what he felt untrue (making it seem retaliatory). Obama continued be the 'I agree with' guy and McCain was on the offensive for a majority of the debate.
Issues and Facts, with help of a good imagination, can be quantitatively swayed in one direction or another, but it doesn't really matter in debates. Face-value is what counts and it seemed McCain outplayed Obama tonight.
Buba Big Guns
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Obama won just based on the facts he stated alone for me. Mccain's bullshit especially on the middle east was really pathetic.
kkaabboomm
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
1 - no, you will never be able to see it. you missed it, so sad.
2 - it went horrible for obama, and horrible for mccain, and horrible for the american people. i hear pbs and nintendo made out well, though
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
On the bad side, McCain finished strong and took this debate.
On the good side, the parts where Obama was stronger, the economic stuff at the beginning, will be the focus of an entire debate. It should be a massive Obama ass-kicking.
Though I'll agree with the CNN guy, that when McCain hit his stride late in the debate, and started firing off specific names, places, instances, alliances, etc. he was masterful. Dude is older than my dad and still ridiculously sharp (at times). Sydney for Secretary of Defense. Do it Obama. :lol
On the good side, the parts where Obama was stronger, the economic stuff at the beginning, will be the focus of an entire debate. It should be a massive Obama ass-kicking.
Though I'll agree with the CNN guy, that when McCain hit his stride late in the debate, and started firing off specific names, places, instances, alliances, etc. he was masterful. Dude is older than my dad and still ridiculously sharp (at times). Sydney for Secretary of Defense. Do it Obama. :lol
bgassassin
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My two quick viewpoints:
McCain has to cut back on some of his references to that past. It reinforces the "old fogey" mindset that people tend to see when they look at him.
Obama has to pace his thinking better. His brain was going 100mph while his mouth was going 50mph causing him to stutter. He was too anxious to get his thoughts out.
I would say this was a draw. McCain did pretty good considering the comedy of errors that led up to this debate. Obama did well considering this is one of his weaker areas.
McCain has to cut back on some of his references to that past. It reinforces the "old fogey" mindset that people tend to see when they look at him.
Obama has to pace his thinking better. His brain was going 100mph while his mouth was going 50mph causing him to stutter. He was too anxious to get his thoughts out.
I would say this was a draw. McCain did pretty good considering the comedy of errors that led up to this debate. Obama did well considering this is one of his weaker areas.
MaddenNFL64
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WTF was with McCain? He didn't look at Obama once. And he seemed pissed off all throughout.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Obama blew it. Even though I know half of McCain's comments are lies regarding things he says Obama said or did, Obama never strongly corrected him or made a case for himself. I kept dying for him to say "What is winning Iraq, John? The war is over, it's an occupation now, and we need to stop hanging out in Iraq and move to Afghanistan" but he never made the connection visible to the dumbfuck Americans that would be watching this and wanting to know what Obama is going to do about Iraq.
I know Obama's tax plan is better, and I know that McCain's tax breaks on corporations cancel out his tax cuts or spending vetoes, but the American people weren't told that. Obama got close, and he did explain it, but he never got in that one sentence that would just strongly drive home how bad McCain's tax ideas are.
The worst was that Obama kept talking about education, and he never said a single thing about exactly what he'd change about it other than that he'd focus on it. It was the story of his candidacy. The guy speaks in broad generalizations and ideas, but he never succinctly gets his point across or explains in detail to the people exactly why his idea is better. He just tells you he has an idea and leaves it at that.
Hopefully next time Obama will get more aggressive at dismantling McCain's lies and misquotes on Obama, because to me, as a likely Obama voter, McCain walked all over him tonight.
I know Obama's tax plan is better, and I know that McCain's tax breaks on corporations cancel out his tax cuts or spending vetoes, but the American people weren't told that. Obama got close, and he did explain it, but he never got in that one sentence that would just strongly drive home how bad McCain's tax ideas are.
The worst was that Obama kept talking about education, and he never said a single thing about exactly what he'd change about it other than that he'd focus on it. It was the story of his candidacy. The guy speaks in broad generalizations and ideas, but he never succinctly gets his point across or explains in detail to the people exactly why his idea is better. He just tells you he has an idea and leaves it at that.
Hopefully next time Obama will get more aggressive at dismantling McCain's lies and misquotes on Obama, because to me, as a likely Obama voter, McCain walked all over him tonight.
typhonsentra
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Because coming off as an asshole might you know, piss off potential voters?HolyStar said:
GAF is Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off on this one, the debate was a disaster for McCain and Obama will receive a bump for his performance tonight.
Guybrush Threepwood
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I can't stand Bill Kristol.
A Zionist neocon. Can you get much worse?
A Zionist neocon. Can you get much worse?
besada said:
Again, she's going to be taught by some of the best. Assuming that she wont be prepared for the debate is insane. We all said Bush was an idiot and where did it get him? Do you still agree that the man is an idiot, having won two campaigns? I know that some do, but I find it hard to totally dismiss him after he's been so successful in pushing his party's priorities.
Cauliflower of Love
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If it wasn't for the economic talk in the beginning, this wouldn't be a close debate for obama.
Obama got turned into a yes man.
Obama got turned into a yes man.
Spirit of Jazz
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Obama could of brought McCain down so easily there. From Iraq to the suspension of spending whilst offering the top 2% massive tax breaks, not even mentioning McCain's lies. Honestly I can't for the love of me understand why he didn't make a major point in calling out McCain's "I'm more experienced so I make the right choices" with his vote for Iraq at the end, if your opponent in a debate continues to make the same flawed statement you keep on elaborating on how stupid he's being. This was a loss for Obama, even if it's wasting the perfect opportunity to hammer your opponent. It's like he made the effort to put all the dots up there, but didn't connect the lines for the viewers.
CharlieDigital
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PBS has some good commentary now.
Coming from behind, McCain really needed to knock this out of the park. By not doing so, he didn't do himself any good.
Coming from behind, McCain really needed to knock this out of the park. By not doing so, he didn't do himself any good.
WickedAngel
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There isn't any independent that is going to watch this debate and think that McCain won. This was a time where McCain needed to do something other than appeal to his base and he didn't do it. He was vague, he rambled through stories that had nothing to do with the questions that were asked of him.
McCain needed to dominate and this wasn't anything close to that. He was dominated on economic clarity and he either tied or had a slight edge in foreign policy with Obama.
McCain needed to dominate and this wasn't anything close to that. He was dominated on economic clarity and he either tied or had a slight edge in foreign policy with Obama.
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