Bumblebeetuna
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Instigator said:
And leave Iraq to the terrorists :lol
Great strategy. If the going gets tough, get the f outta there.
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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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And leave Iraq to the terrorists :lol
Great strategy. If the going gets tough, get the f outta there.
AndersTheSwede
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Surprised by the poll on CNN being so overwhelmingly for Obama. But then again, CNN is just a librul propaganda outlet am i rite?
Death_Born
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JB1981 said:
And...how exactly?
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
My impression from all this...
is that undecideds will shift barely a point in a random candidates direction.
is that undecideds will shift barely a point in a random candidates direction.
Hellsing321
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Glad there's finally something me a McCain agree on.Dot50Cal said:
Are all American debates like this? UK politics is so much more fun, politicians get interrupted, called on their bullshit, and are agressively pursued with questions. There was no point in even having a questioner in that debate, you might aswell have given them a list of topics and given them two minutes to say what they want and then a loud buzzer goes off if they overrun.
Escape Goat
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Death_Born said:
Because Obama wasn't born 1936. He has had more military experience. Thats just a fact.
Funky Papa
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What the fuck is this shit. McCain was a bucket of rage for the most part, you could tell he was tense like cello.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
giga said:
Exactly, tonight was a Success for Obama.
Combined with the even better polling numbers, and the upcoming disaster of a VP debate for Palin, and the final 2 presidential debates where Obama should do even better.
Obama's chances at president are looking very very good.
ManDudeChild
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besada said:
The irony being that the entire debate lacked a lot of actual substance. For all the talk, most of it was reiterated talking points, with the two each sticking to a singular theme (experience/he doesn't understand vs. he's bush/hypocrit). My point being, VP debate's not likely to have anymore substance, so it's all about those soundbytes and so forth.
CharlieDigital
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Instigator said:
There is another key point here: NATO forces are engaged in Afghanistan. The cost is spread because there are more non-US forces there whereas, for all intents and purposes, we are solo in Iraq with some token troops from the Australians (are they even still there??) and Japan (are they still there?).
So again: the war in Afghanistan will be less costly to run because it is a joint NATO operation.
Chiggs
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reilo said:
I think there's a good chance they're really going to go moderate. Their ratings are insane, and a good way to improve them is to actually put some credibility to their fair and balanced crap. O'Reilly has been sticking up for Obama over and over and over again. It's eerie.
Moving further to the right would only prove useful and Obama really starts to fuck up in office.
Deus Ex Machina
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One thing I agree on the ad Obama's far too pandering.SuperAndroid17 said:
All you guys saying Mccain lost are being overly hopeful.
You're misunderestimating the simplicity of the average american voter.
Staying in Iraq indefinitely means victory! We can't leave! Urination economics! They've gobbled up those lies before and they'll do it again.
Now Mccain did a very good job of talking from experience, and did a very good of selling that. This can't be denied.
Of course, he did come off as a snide, condescending, crank. How is he supposed to be the "bipartisan" hero if can't even have a cordial debate?
You're misunderestimating the simplicity of the average american voter.
Staying in Iraq indefinitely means victory! We can't leave! Urination economics! They've gobbled up those lies before and they'll do it again.
Now Mccain did a very good job of talking from experience, and did a very good of selling that. This can't be denied.
Of course, he did come off as a snide, condescending, crank. How is he supposed to be the "bipartisan" hero if can't even have a cordial debate?
Keylime
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Notice how after Barack was done, Biden steps in and does the clean-up on all the cable networks?
Palin cannot do this.
Barack's wingman is fucking ace, and McCain really crushed his ability to spread out by picking someone who is completely useless.
Palin cannot do this.
Barack's wingman is fucking ace, and McCain really crushed his ability to spread out by picking someone who is completely useless.
I thought Obama got in some good punches with lines like "you pretend like the Iraq war started in 2007, it started in 2003". I also think he came across visually very well. He kept his cool, smiled, and was clear. A much better performance than Kerry 4 years ago. I think everyone also has to remember that this topic is supposed to be McCain's strong point(foreign policy), and so since he didn't hit anything out of the park, Obama won.
Also, I believe that when the news starts back up again on Monday, this first debate will remain in the news cycle up until Tuesday night. Then the talk turns to the Vice President Debate. That's when the fun will begin. I expect the national polls to go back to almost a tie up until about Wednesday, and then the polls will swing back into Obama's court.
Also, I believe that when the news starts back up again on Monday, this first debate will remain in the news cycle up until Tuesday night. Then the talk turns to the Vice President Debate. That's when the fun will begin. I expect the national polls to go back to almost a tie up until about Wednesday, and then the polls will swing back into Obama's court.
Fragamemnon
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Halperin's score:
Obama A-
McCain B-
BTW, I thought Obama did a great job taking the time on the economy to make a clear point about their tax plans, and really tossed McCain's plan into a negative light with a very devastating framing. The earmark focus by McCain was also pretty dumb, because that really only plays well with the base. Most people understand that earmarks aren't that big of a share (and Obama pointed it out) and serve as the often disgusting, but essential, casing of legislative sausage.
Obama A-
McCain B-
BTW, I thought Obama did a great job taking the time on the economy to make a clear point about their tax plans, and really tossed McCain's plan into a negative light with a very devastating framing. The earmark focus by McCain was also pretty dumb, because that really only plays well with the base. Most people understand that earmarks aren't that big of a share (and Obama pointed it out) and serve as the often disgusting, but essential, casing of legislative sausage.
kkaabboomm
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october 2nd for VP...?Askani said:
MightyHedgehog
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Overall, Obama hangs tough with Mr. Experience on the issues of foreign policy. McCain doesn't work so well during long periods because he so much relies on simpler language, while Obama wears better the longer he talks. I suspect the other Prez debates will GREATLY favor Obama since McCain will have to talk at length about the parts of his platform which are just not popular with the masses. McCain needed to be stronger here in this one and only debate focused on foreign policy and I don't think he knocked it out of the park while Obama pretty much tied or bested him on John's supposed strong suit.
backbreaker65
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I thought Obama held his own, he did very well. I found that Obama stating that John is right was him saying lets not belabor the point. Everyone knows John is an expert in Foreign Policy experience. So why challenge him on a point you agree with after all this is america and we do have policy that we follow. I like Mark Halpern thought Obama won, People forget John's the expert, but Obama was solid and re assured me that he has a grasp of the issues.
He wanted to show that hey america me and john have the same views on some of this foreign policy stuff, so I'm safe.
He wanted to show that hey america me and john have the same views on some of this foreign policy stuff, so I'm safe.
Spirit of Jazz
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Bumblebeetuna said:
:lol The only sections in Iraq we're winning in is because the US army are acting as enforcers (Check the death rates between the sides
) as soon as they leave, no matter when or how much money's spent Iraq's going to descend into chaos between the religious factions there.- Status
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