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[distantmantra]

Is any network streaming tonight's debate in HD? I'm a campus organizer for Obama, we're hosting a debate watch party, and I want our people to see something better than an upscaled CATV signal.

I'm sure PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX will all be carrying it in HD.

 

[gkryhewy]

Well I can say that in my family, that would be a massive help right now. It would amount to a lot in my household, and presumably that would filter back through the economy and eventually get to the top, therby helping out any mortgage firms that survive.

It's not pennies, but against the specter of a depression of indeterminate length, it ain't much.

Take door number 2! Door number 2!

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

He said something similar on Countdown a few nights ago, but their transcript breaks it; I guess whoever edited it didn't get the reference.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26854009/

I heard that and couldn't for the life of me figure out why this guy was using an internet meme in political conversation.

 

[artredis1980]

People don't realize it but they don't care.

McCain = less taxes, less regulation = Good
Obama = more taxes, more regulation = Bad

do you make more than 250,000 a year?

 

[adg1034]

I'm sure PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX will all be carrying it in HD.

I actually meant online.

 

[WaltJay]

People don't realize it but they don't care.

McCain = less taxes, less regulation = Good
Obama = more taxes, more regulation = Bad

But less regulation and oversight is what got us here.

 

[infiniteloop]

Is any network streaming tonight's debate in HD? I'm a campus organizer for Obama, we're hosting a debate watch party, and I want our people to see something better than an upscaled CATV signal.

You think people could handle McCain in HD?

 

[artredis1980]

new polls

MISSOURI!

MO: McCain 48, Obama 46 (9/23-24)

By Eric Dienstfrey

SurveyUSA
9/23-24/08; 705 LV, 3.8%
Mode: IVR

Missouri
McCain 48, Obama 46
Gov: Nixon (D) 54, Hulshof (R) 37

 

[CharlieDigital]

I actually meant online.

An HD CATV stream would be way better than any web stream.

 

[haunts]

What time is the debate PST?

 

[Tamanon]

Need to go with the private solution. There are literally billions of dollars of investors just chomping at the bit to get into this credit market and that will accomplish much more than a bailout and also it will protect the American taxpayer.

Er....if these investors are there, why aren't they doing it now?

 

[Krowley]

The "Bailout" is the government purchasing assets that nobody wants to have right now,

Yes, it could be a 700 billion stimulus, but for it to be comparable, it would have to be paid back eventually.

Yeah, that's true. I keep forgetting that part. At some point in the future, this is supposed to actually make some money.

Still don't like it though. I think I'm willing to take the risk and see what happens. I think the shit is going to hit the fan anyway, and I don't think this is going to make much of a difference, other than tying up the governments money for a long long time and making the crash happen slower.

 

[Gary Whitta]

You think people could handle McCain in HD?

Yeah I was just gonna say, HD is not McCain's friend. Just as the advent of televised debates fucked Nixon in 1960, so HD might fuck McCain in 2008.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

What time is the debate PST?

6, presumably.

 

[Gruco]

Nate has a recent post about how Selzer&Co has a very different demographic weighting model than most pollsters, and it's causing them to have a fairly significant trend in favor of Obama. What really interesting about this is how 538 rates Selzer as the single best pollster they have evaluated. Worth checking out:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/ann-selzer-on-youth-minority-turnout.html

 

[soul creator]

if in the hypothetical situation that some sort of alternate "stimulus" plan was done, it shouldn't just be a check directly mailed to individual taxpayers. It should be an investment into our basic infrastructure, health care, education, etc. Basically, all that stuff liberals love.

At the very least, if the private investment banks failed, we'd still have green energy, health care and better education!

 

[electricpirate]

It's so hard for me to get excited about excellent poll numbers as the house basically sends our countries finances down the tubes because they can't trust each other.

 

[AstroLad]

Er....if these investors are there, why aren't they doing it now?

Capital gains/double taxation and overregulation of the markets. Take care of these and they will come flooding in.

 

[Stinkles]

Yeah I was just gonna say, HD is not McCain's friend. Just as the advent of televised debates fucked Nixon in 1960, so HD might fuck McCain in 2008.

He's going to be wearing a lot of makeup.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

But less regulation and oversight is what got us here.

Not at all. This whole bubble started when the Clinton adminstration pressured banks like Fannie and Freedie to loosen up their lending practices so that more minorities could qualify for loans. From their, this entire thing spun out of control. Fannie and Freddie were unwitting pawns in this game that white liberal guilt set in motion.

So, people favoring less regulation are actually correct here.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Yeah I was just gonna say, HD is not McCain's friends. Just as the advent of televised debates fucked Nixon in 1960, so HD might fuck McCain in 2008.

I actually really did think the TV factor was a part of McCain's fail-plan to dodge the debates. Town Hall meetings and such, he'd probably be farther away from cameras. that shit's gonna be in his grill tonight.

 

[Bulla564]

Is there anywhere I can read/watch the meeting in the white house?

 

[WaltJay]

What time is the debate PST?

6PM PST

 

[so_awes]

WHOA, WHOA!!! I missed the debate??!?

 

[Tamanon]

Is there anywhere I can read/watch the meeting in the white house?

Nah, those are closed door affairs.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

But less regulation and oversight is what got us here.

I'm not saying I'm in favor of it. I'm saying what the general American attitude towards taxes and regulation is.

 

[adg1034]

An HD CATV stream would be way better than any web stream.

The thing is, we don't have HD cable. It's basic, local, and analog, and that's why I'm looking for an online option.

 

[artredis1980]

I'm not saying I'm in favor of it. I'm saying what the general American attitude towards taxes and regulation is.

well look at it this way, if you dont have any income, you wouldnt be paying taxes if the companies fail.

 

[greepoman]

Need to go with the private solution. There are literally billions of dollars of investors just chomping at the bit to get into this credit market and that will accomplish much more than a bailout and also it will protect the American taxpayer.

Isn't part of the problem investors don't want to touch these toxic mortgages and how they packaged into other things??

IMO Quite honestly you'd have to be insane to touch some of these mortgages. The problem is there is too much supply and no demand. Demand isn't going to go up anytime soon either.

The best option would be for the government to buy a million empty homes and burn them to the ground. That would take care of the supply problem and probably be cheaper as well.

 

[Krowley]

if in the hypothetical situation that some sort of alternate "stimulus" plan was done, it shouldn't just be a check directly mailed to individual taxpayers. It should be an investment into our basic infrastructure, health care, education, etc. Basically, all that stuff liberals love.

At the very least, if the private investment banks failed, we'd still have green energy, health care and better education!

Hey, even as a conservative, I would favor that over this. This is the worst kind of government involvement, when government steps in and bails out industrys with taxpayer money.

One reason I don't want this is because it will tie up all the governments money and the next president wont be able to afford to do anything. If Obama happens to win, the one thing I want him to do is national healthcare, and I want him to be able to afford that.

This bailout plan is a trickle down solution folks.. This is saving the rich guy to protect the little guy. I thought liberals were against that and favored more bottom up solutions.

 

[phalestine]

a little late, but just thought id say FUCK YEAH! on the gallup today.

 

[Ether_Snake]

What would happen if congress decided to screw this bill, and instead passed a bill that split 700 billion dollars among the people as a massive stimulus plan. That would be massivley larger than the last stimulus, and presumably that money would help them deal with the upcoming market correction.

I would favor that sort of socialism over the current corporate socialism that's being talked about. Send us giant checks and let the wallstreet fuckers fall.

$2300 for every American. Remove homeless, kids, etc., I guess it would go quite higher.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Round up of the tracking polls today:

• Gallup: Obama 48%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, the candidates were tied 46%-46%.

• Rasmussen: Obama 50%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to an Obama lead yesterday of 49%-46%.

• Hotline/Diageo: Obama 49%, McCain 42%, with a ±3.2% margin of error, compared to a 47%-43% Obama lead yesterday.

• Research 2000: Obama 48%, McCain 43%, with a ±3% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up 49%-43%.

Adding these polls together and weighting them by sample sizes, Obama is ahead by a margin of 48.9%-44.5%, almost double his margin from yesterday's 47.7%-45.3%.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/obamas_lead_nearly_doubles_in.php

Probably not the response McCain was looking for.

 

[Synth_floyd]

This bailout will make any recession worse. More government bureaucracy, more regulations, price fixing, more debt for the US government. The dollar could collapse which will hurt everybody.

 

[GenericPseudonym]

Yeah, that's true. I keep forgetting that part. At some point in the future, this is supposed to actually make some money.

Still don't like it though. I think I'm willing to take the risk and see what happens. I think the shit is going to hit the fan anyway, and I don't think this is going to make much of a difference, other than tying up the governments money for a long long time and making the crash happen slower.

Ensuring financial stability is the government's job, just because they failed at it for the last 15 years doesn't mean they can just let the "shit hit the fan" they've already brokered the acquisition of Bear Stearns, AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, WaMu and had Lehman fall into oblivion. If the government had purchased these toxic MBSs at the start of the crisis we could have avoided all of that. But no one would suggest such a drastic measure until the point of crisis.

The government will once and for all clear this subprime mess, and if all goes well this will be in the long run a profitable venture. This is what must happen, because if any of the larger banks begin to run into trouble things will get unimaginably bad. I understand that people want to punish Wall Street, but now is not the time. Regulate them, ensure this doesn't happen again, but you can't beat your financial sector when it's down.

 

[TomServo]

The thing is, we don't have HD cable. It's basic, local, and analog, and that's why I'm looking for an online option.

You might be surprised if you've got an HDTV with a decent tuner. Most cable companies are broadcasting the network channels in HD. No box on either one of my LCD TVs, they pick up CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, etc in HD just fine.

 

[Gruco]

It's so hard for me to get excited about excellent poll numbers as the house basically sends our countries finances down the tubes because they can't trust each other.

If we're all going to hell in a hand basket, might as well take what you can get along the way.

 

[Zeliard]

Round up of the tracking polls today:

• Gallup: Obama 48%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, the candidates were tied 46%-46%.

• Rasmussen: Obama 50%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to an Obama lead yesterday of 49%-46%.

• Hotline/Diageo: Obama 49%, McCain 42%, with a ±3.2% margin of error, compared to a 47%-43% Obama lead yesterday.

• Research 2000: Obama 48%, McCain 43%, with a ±3% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up 49%-43%.

Adding these polls together and weighting them by sample sizes, Obama is ahead by a margin of 48.9%-44.5%, almost double his margin from yesterday's 47.7%-45.3%.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/obamas_lead_nearly_doubles_in.php

Probably not the response McCain was looking for.

Now that's a pretty sight.

 

[artredis1980]

new poll:


VIRGINIA!

VA: Obama 50, McCain 45 (9/25)

By Eric Dienstfrey

Rasmussen Reports
9/25/08; 700 LV, 4%
Mode: IVR

Virginia
Obama 50, McCain 45

 

[Souldriver]

new poll:


VIRGINIA!

VA: Obama 50, McCain 45 (9/25)

By Eric Dienstfrey

Rasmussen Reports
9/25/08; 700 LV, 4%
Mode: IVR

Virginia
Obama 50, McCain 45

Wow, Obama went 7 points up in the poll.



09/25/2008: McCain 45% - 50% Obama
09/21/2008: McCain 50% - 48% Obama

 

[gcubed]

new poll:


VIRGINIA!

VA: Obama 50, McCain 45 (9/25)

By Eric Dienstfrey

Rasmussen Reports
9/25/08; 700 LV, 4%
Mode: IVR

Virginia
Obama 50, McCain 45

wowzers

 

[GhaleonEB]

Wow, Obama went 7 points up in the poll.

In one week.

McCain imploded this week. Even a good debate won't save him.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

No kidding. I've just put down 4k+ USD on an Obama bet, and I'm not even American.

You should have bought in earlier!

 

[Y2Kev]

who is left holding the bag

I feel like the democrats are going to have egg on their face again.

 

[Rur0ni]

VA is moving from Toss Up to Lean Dem... :O

Ohio and New Hampshire can go suck penis then.

 

[adg1034]

You might be surprised if you've got an HDTV with a decent tuner. Most cable companies are broadcasting the network channels in HD. No box on either one of my LCD TVs, they pick up CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, etc in HD just fine.

I've been trying to simplify my question: we're watching the debate in an auditorium, and our mode of viewing is a projector. It's a whole AV setup, and I really don't know where/how they're routing the broadcast signal, or even what's acting as the tuner. Believe me, if there was an easy way to get the HD broadcasts, I'd be on top of it.

Hmmm. Let me go see what I can find out at our campus center.

 

[StopMakingSense]

On the disapproval of the bailout...

I think 'approving' of it, and understanding it needs to happen are two different things, and is a distinction that the polls can't parse out, and McCain isn't taking into consideration.

 

[VanMardigan]

In one week.

McCain imploded this week. Even a good debate won't save him.

So you calling the election now? I still think there's plenty of time. Looking at the historical gallups, there were some pretty wild swings, and this one isn't even that big yet.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

So you calling the election now? I still think there's plenty of time. Looking at the historical gallups, there were some pretty wild swings, and this one isn't even that big yet.

Don't forget the October surprise.

 

[GhaleonEB]

So you calling the election now? I still think there's plenty of time. Looking at the historical gallups, there were some pretty wild swings, and this one isn't even that big yet.

It's not over. But McCain's case for himself just got a lot harder, and Obama's case against McCain - and for himself - just got a lot stronger. McCain wanted a game-changer and it seems to have been one. For Obama.

40 days left, though. Going to be a wild ride.