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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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What Campaign Ads Would Look Like If the Voting Age Was 6
http://www.cracked.com/article_16661_campaign-ads-would-look-like-if-voting-age-was-6.html
Some good ones are there.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16661_campaign-ads-would-look-like-if-voting-age-was-6.html
Some good ones are there.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Here's a fun tool for people wanting immediate reactions to the Debates tonight.
Twitter has set up a web page that posts up any Twitter that mentions a candidate's name.
http://election.twitter.com/
This is going to be so fun.
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It's GAF on speed dial.
Twitter has set up a web page that posts up any Twitter that mentions a candidate's name.
http://election.twitter.com/
This is going to be so fun.
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It's GAF on speed dial.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
GhaleonEB said:
Obama's had momentum since the whole crisis started, hasn't he. I'm holding off on calling this a "game-changer" yet. Maybe in a few weeks. Just too much time left.
Let me get this straight
NO BAILOUT!
1.) Some people subscribe to the line of thinking that these dirty businessmen need to be cleaned out.
Who's in this camp?
- 70% of Americans.
- House Republicans.
- Ron Paul and believers of strict capitalism.
YES BAILOUT!
2.) Some people believe this crisis goes beyond the businessmen involved. The bailout is needed to maintain thefungibility integrity of our whole economy.
Who's in this camp?
- Bush, Bernake, Paulson, most economic analysts on TV.
So McCain is with Option 1, Obama with Option 2?
NO BAILOUT!
1.) Some people subscribe to the line of thinking that these dirty businessmen need to be cleaned out.
Who's in this camp?
- 70% of Americans.
- House Republicans.
- Ron Paul and believers of strict capitalism.
YES BAILOUT!
2.) Some people believe this crisis goes beyond the businessmen involved. The bailout is needed to maintain the
Who's in this camp?
- Bush, Bernake, Paulson, most economic analysts on TV.
So McCain is with Option 1, Obama with Option 2?
Frank the Great
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artredis1980 said:
It's a dead heat! Barely outside the margin of error!
Thunder Monkey
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Last I knew McCain was with no option.Fatalah said:
He'll have to check with his advisers before he can confirm how he thinks.
Fatalah said:
You can't lump House Repubs and McCain with option 1. Their counter-proposal shows that they aren't interested in cleaning out dirty businessmen, but rather to push anti-regulatory methods that are not proven to work.
The original Paulson proposal wanted money -- no strings attached. The WH, along with the rest of the treasury members, begged the House Dems to help pass the bill. Pelosi wanted a "majority of the minority" and hammered down favorable key points for homeowners and anti-compensation policies for executives.
So the situation isn't that black and white. And I can see that from up here in Canada for crying out loud.
SpeedingUptoStop
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This was posted right?
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
gkrykewy said:
I think that's crap, but I'm not surprised that the Dems here are eating it up. I DON'T think the economy will collapse if we take some time crafting this legislation, I DON'T believe this is the proper thing to do (bail out Wall Street), and I DO think that this is just another trickle down solution.
Consumers are STILL going to be in debt after the bailout, and credit is STILL going to be harder to obtain. What, exactly, is trickling down? But if this was a 'market correction' anyway and things are set to level out, this bailout will appear like it worked anyway.
This thing will probably handcuff a lot of Obama's initiatives, at least in the short term. I'm not convinced this is what President Obama would've proposed, but since his party is behind it, he has no real power (or currently, time) to implement a solution himself, and Americans are being frightened with images of certain economic collapse, he'll appear like he's behind it.
Thunder Monkey said:
So from last night's situation with the House GOP-- McCain encouraged them to get angry and push for their tax-cutting, deregulatory ideas into the bailout bill right? So McCain wants the bill to be passed, but he wants his PARTISAN ideals to squeak in there.
I thought both candidates agreed to get this bill out there and passed, without tacking on stipulations reflecting their party's interest???!
SpeedingUptoStop
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Alright, then just reposted for emphasis I guess.RubxQub said:
VanMardigan said:
If Barack Obama and John McCain both say that we are in deep shit if nothing passes *soon*, then I am inclined to take them at their word.
BTW just found out that Sarah Palin will be at a bar just down the street from me tonight. :lol ("Irish Pub" [yes, that's the name], 22nd and Walnut Streets, Philadelphia - home of exterior shots for Rocky Balboa)
:lol Classic. A poligaf presidential thread with only 5 pages = :OCheebs said:
Funny how many people there now have Obama avatars. Two weird edits though, by GauntletPhantom, that were made over a year after originally posted! WTF, did he promise to eat shit if Obama was still running after New Hampshire or something?
No one believes a bailout is the only option, but since Paulson and Bernake claim we need something quickly, this works for now.
I think it's like a basement flooding from a broken pipe. Plug the leak first, then worry about draining the basement.
Once the problem is solved, don't just go back to waiting for the next crisis. Take active steps to examine and make adjustments to the rest of the pipes (you know, something the previous tenants never bothered to do).
I think it's like a basement flooding from a broken pipe. Plug the leak first, then worry about draining the basement.
Once the problem is solved, don't just go back to waiting for the next crisis. Take active steps to examine and make adjustments to the rest of the pipes (you know, something the previous tenants never bothered to do).
VanMardigan said:
Its not just the consumers really, its more about the communities that consumers live in. You really have to look and see how this will play out if banks just cant give people loans/funding for new businesses and real estate.
I work with commercial real estate agents and business brokers and all of them are saying they can get good leads but when the time comes for funding for a property or business, they cant get it. This has been going on for months and 2 months ago it wasnt nearly as bad as it now is. Think about it. If people cant get loans to start new businesses, buy commercial property, a house, or whatever, areas of the country will start to go down the shitter real fast. People on the streets out of their homes, businesses being closed down, boarded up , no new businesses springing up. Crime increases and eventually panic and mayhem. It could get real real bad.
VanMardigan said:
Look, your right, credit is never going to be as cheap and abundant as it was 3 years ago. It never should have been that cheap and abundant to begin with. But what we are talking about here is a complete shut down of credit for EVERYONE. Commercial paper (short term (30 days or less) corporate debt) is critical to the economic juices, without it things could get very very bad. It isnt just empty talk, there is a strong possibility of this getting no bueno in a hurry.
The fact is we dont know how bad it could get if this doesnt pass, but it probably isnt good.
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And that he can't rely on his precious teleprompter to save him.Zeliard said:
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This is exactly the reason why so many people hesitate when it comes to Bams. He speaks too much because he's trying to give a full answer, but that isn't what people want, and it doesn't play too well in a debate format.Zeliard said:
His answers need to be tighter and punchier.
GenericPseudonym
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VanMardigan said:
This isn't a god damn correction. This has been going on, and getting increasingly worse for a whole year. You've had a DOW component implode, the largest series of bank failures in history and you think this is some sort of correction? This is the single greatest threat to the United States in decades, the government needs to act.
syllogism said:
from the memo said:
YOU DON'T SAY...
Should be an interesting time tonight. I'm attempting to organize some friends to come over, watch the debate, and later play COD4, Mario Kart and Halo. Sucks that I'm the only one pro Obama out of my group, all the others are either 3rd party or not gonna bother to vote because of McCain's Palin decision and late-game stumbling.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Thunder Monkey
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That was interesting.:lolTanned Greyface said:
It will be all about experience!
:lol
Xisiqomelir
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Guys, if JSA doesn't show up (yes I know he's now supposedly going to), they wouldn't need to cancel based on equal time. Obama could talk for 45 min, and an empty chair could get JSA's 45 min. The organizers could make a decent case that they'd provided equal time that way.
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RubxQub said:
in fairness, the only debates people really remember with him are ones where he debated against people who have 95% of the same views as he does.
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
OMFG
Xisiqomelir
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CharlieDigital said:
This is probably shallow and unsophisticated of me, but I think the 44-page Dem plan might be more substantive simply based on the fact that it's 43 pages longer than the House GOP/McCain plan.
Captain Pants
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
Would someone be kind enough to summarize this?
haunts said:
I'm in the camp that doesn't think this is going to make a significant dent in the housing situation. The demand isn't going to be there.
You've got people who've been foreclosed on; they're not getting loans until the foreclosures expire from their credit history. You've got people who've bought during the bubble who can still make their payments; I'm in this group, we can't afford to sell at a huge loss, so we're now in it for the long haul. You've got people that are in homes bought prior to the bubble, they're in better shape but they still need to find a buyer before they're back on the market. That's just in sales of existing homes - throw in builders trying to scratch out a living and the supply glut continues even longer.
Essentially it's a buyer's market for first-time home buyers. They'll get to deal with recession-level interest rates from wary borrowers. The rest of us aren't getting out of or into homes anytime soon. If there's foreclosure prevention/assistance that will keep houses off of the market, but those buyers aren't going to be there either. May stop supply from increasing, but demand will still be stagnant.
Unfreezing the credit markets may help with capital procurement for businesses, but I don't see it doing much to help this out. Where am I wrong?
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Captain Pants said:
Palin has the vocabulary and worldview of an 8-year old.
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Man... so... your foreign policy comes down to "good guys" and "bad guys"... where have I heard that before... hmm... and she's sure she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is?
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