Presidential Candidate Ron Paul's Official Thread

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perfectchaos007 said:
BTW, who was picked to participate in the straw poll?

Anyone participates, but some folks dont care because it is in fact, a bunch of bullshit anyway. If you count it as scientific, you're dumb, because a campaign can just pay people to go to this thing. It's really dumb. McCain and Giuliani skip it, take away some of its credibility, and save their own face.

ROMNEYNATION FTW!

me = liberal washingtonian. j/k on romney. BO ftw.
 
teh_pwn said:
9% is the new 2%. He's climbing at least. It's worth noting that he hardly campaigned in Iowa, and spent very little money. Whereas Romney basically bought his votes with 10 million.

MITT ROMNEY 4,516 VOTES 31.6%

MIKE HUCKABEE 2,587 VOTES 18.1%

SAM BROWNBACK 2,192 VOTES 15.3%

TOM TANCREDO 1,961 VOTES 13.7%

RON PAUL 1,305 VOTES 9.1%

TOMMY THOMPSON 1,039 VOTES 7.3%

FRED THOMPSON 203 VOTES 1.4%

RUDY GIULIANI 183 VOTES 1.3%

DUNCAN HUNTER 174 VOTES 1.2%

JOHN MCCAIN 101 VOTES .7%

JOHN COX 41 VOTES .3%

14,302 TOTAL BALLOTS CAST

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Not bad, but it would have been better if Ron Paul beat Tom Tancredo .
 
Paul has a surprisingly large presence in Iowa. Every day, I see someone wearing that "Ron Paul Revolution" T-Shirt. I've seen numerous bumper stickers and at the debates, Ron Paul had the largest signs there. Its not just twentysomething libertarians either. I see old people wearing those T-Shirts.

Tom Tancredo is seriously insane. The fact that Ron Paul was not able to topple him is not a good sign.

I like that McCain and Giuliani flopped hard. These two asswipes appear to be the most willing to carry the Neocon torch from Bush. I'm still on the fence regarding Romney.
 
The Experiment said:
Paul has a surprisingly large presence in Iowa. Every day, I see someone wearing that "Ron Paul Revolution" T-Shirt. I've seen numerous bumper stickers and at the debates, Ron Paul had the largest signs there. Its not just twentysomething libertarians either. I see old people wearing those T-Shirts.

Tom Tancredo is seriously insane. The fact that Ron Paul was not able to topple him is not a good sign.

I like that McCain and Giuliani flopped hard. These two asswipes appear to be the most willing to carry the Neocon torch from Bush. I'm still on the fence regarding Romney.

I'm no defender of the republican establishment, but neither of them participated at all, while most of the other candidates held huge, expensive GOTV efforts and gave speeches at the actual event... hence the low numbers.
 
Right. McCain and Gules didn't attend this thing. It's actually expensive to participate because the voters have to pay out a large lump of cash to cast a ballot, and the campaigns tend to offer to pay the fees for people that will vote for them, or something like that. I don't really understand how the fuck it works, to be honest, but I know it doesn't make much sense.
 
JayDubya said:
Right. McCain and Gules didn't attend this thing. It's actually expensive to participate because the voters have to pay out a large lump of cash to cast a ballot, and the campaigns tend to offer to pay the fees for people that will vote for them, or something like that. I don't really understand how the fuck it works, to be honest, but I know it doesn't make much sense.

And it does not sound ethical...

"I will pay for your entrance if you vote for me!"
 
JayDubya said:
Right. McCain and Gules didn't attend this thing. It's actually expensive to participate because the voters have to pay out a large lump of cash to cast a ballot, and the campaigns tend to offer to pay the fees for people that will vote for them, or something like that. I don't really understand how the fuck it works, to be honest, but I know it doesn't make much sense.

Then why the hell do people take these straw polls so seriously? Seems pretty stupid to me.
 
I like Ron Paul a lot. He seems like a genuinely honest person. That said, why does he have to take such extreme stands? Being the only non-interventionist Republican candidate would be plenty to set him apart from the rest, why does he have to ruin it by wanting to dismantle all these government agencies? Doesn't he understand that nobody will buy such an extreme plan so suddenly?

Also, who is the candidate laughing while the Fox News doucheshit is asking Ron Paul questions? What a homemade piece of shit.
 
Propagandhim said:
I like Ron Paul a lot. He seems like a genuinely honest person. That said, why does he have to take such extreme stands? Being the only non-interventionist Republican candidate would be plenty to set him apart from the rest, why does he have to ruin it by wanting to dismantle all these government agencies? Doesn't he understand that nobody will buy such an extreme plan so suddenly?
You're asking a politician who's seemingly putting their personal beliefs ahead of political gain to become more of a politician? One of the few likable things about this guy is that he's not a complete slave to the polls. He'll never be more than a fringe candidate, but if he sticks to his extreme ideas, at least he'll be one of the more honest ones instead of just another failed politician's politician.
 
Propagandhim said:
I like Ron Paul a lot. He seems like a genuinely honest person. That said, why does he have to take such extreme stands? Being the only non-interventionist Republican candidate would be plenty to set him apart from the rest, why does he have to ruin it by wanting to dismantle all these government agencies? Doesn't he understand that nobody will buy such an extreme plan so suddenly?

Also, who is the candidate laughing while the Fox News doucheshit is asking Ron Paul questions? What a homemade piece of shit.

Giuliani. This was apparently Rudy's form of payback for Ron Paul suggesting that he actually read a book or two.

And yes, Giuliani is a piece of shit.
 
New National Journal is in, and doesn't look good for Paul They said his ranting last week hurt him. They think he should drop out of the race. Last time he was ranked 6th. Today hes ranked 7th among republican candidates. They conviniently say people not in the top 6 should give up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16711064/

WASHINGTON - We're back after what was, as usual, a politically eventful August. We're starting our weekly presidential rankings with the Republicans and will alternate weekly until... well, until we think we ought to rank both sides more frequently. Right now, both primary campaigns change like aircraft carriers, so every two weeks makes the most sense for each side.

In all seriousness, though, isn't it time everyone ranked six and below here called it quits? It's over; these second- and third-tier candidates gave it a good go in the first eight months of this year, but it's not happening. Is there really an Appalachian State in here that we're overlooking? We don't think so.

Note: Democrats and Republican rankings will be updated on alternating weeks. Click here for the latest Democratic rankings

7. Ron Paul
Texas congressman Last Ranking: 6
Up until the last debate, Paul was the charming, though ideologically odd, gadfly candidate. But he turned very angry in that last debate and we're starting to wonder if his schtick is wearing thin. Still, some Republicans are worried about Paul jumping ship and going third party, siphoning enough votes in places that like their libertarians (think those Rocky Mountain states) to toss the election to the Democrats. So don't be surprised if Paul gets some kid-glove treatment by the GOP establishment.
 
ron paul, coverage of his followers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/14/AR2007101401329_pf.html

The Disciples of Ron Paul, Spreading the Word in N.H.

By Jose Antonio Vargas
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 15, 2007; C01

STRAFFORD, N.H. -- There's no mistaking which house on Lake Shore Drive, about 45 minutes northeast of Manchester, is the one full of Paulites -- the intensely loyal, almost fanatical supporters of Rep. Ron Paul. Signs are everywhere. On the back window of a brand new black Toyota, on the bumper of a green Geo, on a white Volvo station wagon that sits beside a beat-up lime green Honda. "Ron Paul 2008."

"We can run the whole New Hampshire campaign right here," says Jim Forsythe, 39, a former Air Force pilot who's on his driveway in jeans, T-shirt and white socks. "We're the hard-core supporters."

Like Paul himself, the Paulites are against the war in Iraq, against the growing federal bureaucracy, against the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Education, the income tax, against, as Forsythe says, "politics as we've known it."

Inside Forsythe's kitchen, snacking on spinach dip, there's Kelly Halldorson, 34, a mother of three whose first presidential vote went to Bill Clinton. And Jane Aitken, 58, a retired art teacher who voted for President Bush in 2000 and 2004. And Will Albenzi, 28, a security guard who's gotten so disillusioned with the Republican and Democratic parties that he belongs to neither.

And this being the Granite State, the first primary state famous for its independent "Live Free or Die" attitude, there's Chris Lawless, a 38-year-old software technician who's followed Paul's career since 1988, when the obstetrician-turned-congressman ran for the White House as the Libertarian Party nominee.

In a state where Patrick Buchanan upset Bob Dole, the front-runner for the GOP nomination, more than a decade ago, anything is possible, says Andrew Smith, a pollster and director of the University of New Hampshire's Survey Center. As of last November, 26 percent of New Hampshire's electorate were registered Democrats and 30 percent were Republicans. But the biggest block of voters -- 44 percent -- were undeclared. Forty percent to 45 percent of those, Smith says, leaned Democrat and 25 percent to 30 percent Republican.

But whatever their backgrounds, the Paulites have catapulted a Republican candidate often described "eccentric," "unknown" and a "long shot" into a spotlight. Paul may be the candidate who has tapped into that independent and frustrated portion of the electorate that in every race is looking for a third way.

This month, the 10-term Texas Republican stunned the GOP field by raising a little more than $5 million in the third quarter, 70 percent of it from online donations; Sen. John McCain, once considered the front-runner for the GOP nomination, and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who placed a strong second in the Iowa straw poll in August, raised $6 million and $1 million, respectively. For months now, Paul has been the most popular GOP candidate on the Web, with more supporters on MySpace, Facebook and Meetup than Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney, who won the Iowa straw poll and leads in the polls here.

"Everyone -- the staffers in the other campaigns, the bigwig political observers in the state -- is scratching their heads. They don't know what to make of this Ron Paul phenomenon," pollster Smith says. A University of New Hampshire poll last month showed Paul at 4 percent in the state. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News national poll, also from last month, had him at 3 percent. "The other campaigns aren't worried that he'd win the primary. They just don't know who his supporters are and whose support he's taking away," Smith adds. "His poll numbers aren't high now, but it's only October. And they could see him getting 10 percent of the vote here. If you get 10 percent of the vote in a crowded field, well, you might finish third." But the Paulites are aiming for higher than third place.

Last week, they gathered at Forsythe's house to watch the latest GOP presidential debate. Forsythe is the most recent Paulite convert of the bunch. The father of two heard Paul speak in February and remembers how he derided big government and unnecessary wars. Says Forsythe, an aerospace engineer: "That really got me. I fought in Bosnia, Somalia and Iraq, the Iraq before this Iraq war.

"I just couldn't believe a politician was talking about these things," he says. "And the thing is, what's going on with Ron Paul, what he's tapping into, speaks to how much the Republican Party has lost its way."

* * *

Paul isn't using the Internet. The Internet is using him.

Yes, the 72-year-old's main headquarters sits in a nondescript office building in Arlington. But his real headquarters may be on the Web, where Paulites have organized, raised money and created buzz, all independent of the official campaign. Take Meetup. There are 994 Ron Paul Meetup groups, more than all the other candidates in both parties combined, and New Hampshire has four, the largest being Forsythe's. The group's name is HQNH, and its 418 members have their own Web site, where Forsythe is the blogmaster. Kate Rick, one of Paul's four staffers in New Hampshire, says HQNH is the candidate's most effective grass-roots operation, handing out literature at gun shows, holding up signs at fairs and canvassing. Rick should know. She helped start HQNH.

Some quarters of the blogosphere have obsessed over Paul's intense online following, but things kicked up early this month when Paul announced his third-quarter fundraising figures. Unlike the rest of the presidential field, Paul has consistently improved on his money haul, taking in $640,000 in the first quarter, $2.4 million in the second and $5.1 million two weeks ago. At least two-thirds of the donations, his aides say, came from the Internet. New Hampshire gave the most money per capita, according to the campaign, and the most dollars from one area came from Los Angeles County.

"This is the first politician I can truly support, ever," says 53-year-old William D. Johnson, who runs a law firm in downtown L.A. and has donated the maximum, $2,300. A former Democrat, he switched to the GOP because of Paul. "I don't agree with all his positions -- he's not as strong on environmental issues as I'd like -- but because of his record you know that he's a man of utmost integrity."

There are shades of Howard Dean here, the way the insurgent Democratic candidate embraced the Web in 2003. And shades of McCain, too. The Arizona senator raised $1 million in two days online in 2000 after beating Bush in the New Hampshire primary.

But the most fitting analogy, political analysts here say, might be Patrick Buchanan. Though Paul has not been a general in the culture wars like Buchanan, both men come from the old right of the GOP, pols who champion limited government and fiscal conservatism. Buchanan was barely registering in the New Hampshire polls months before his surprise defeat of Bob Dole in 1996.

"As surprising as Ron Paul's popularity is, you see where it's coming from. In an election in which a party doesn't think it will win -- and a lot of Republicans here have a perception that no matter the nominee, they're going to lose next year -- voters have an opportunity to vote with their gut," says the University of New Hampshire's Smith. "But what Ron Paul has to overcome is this image that his supporters are people with tinfoil hats on, folks on the fringes of society. I'm not saying that's the case, though that's the story line that the media has on him."

Adds Matt Lewis, a blogger and director of operations at the conservative site Townhall: "He's connecting online, no doubt about it. His antiwar and anti-big government message -- in a time of war and big government -- is carrying through. But how is all this money, all this online popularity going to translate to actual votes come primary day?"

With $5.3 million in his coffers, Paul is planning to spend more money in New Hampshire, his aides say. He's visited the state five times, they add, and recently bought his first radio spot. But the campaign is looking past New Hampshire, opening offices in Arizona, Utah and California. In July, the campaign had 10 staff members. Now it has 45.

In an interview, Paul says: "To be honest, I didn't think we'd be in this position, getting this kind of attention, having this kind of money. I tell my staff, 'Don't get bloated. Be careful with the money.' I've been saying the same things for a long time. But now more people seem to be listening."

* * *

Just how far do Paulites go to show their support?

Some stamp their money with RON PAUL. Others wear T-shirts that read: "Who is Ron Paul?" There are men who carry little Ron Paul cards and drop them on top of urinals, no joke. "You have to get creative. Sometimes guys need something to read in the bathroom," says Chris Richards, 38, who works in finance. Sometimes a Paulite gets too carried away and walks 38 miles -- from Dover to Concord, a day-long trek -- to campaign for Paul. After watching television pundit George Stephanopoulos tell Paul that he would bet his "every cent" that he won't be president, Halldorson, the 34-year-old mother of three, got so frustrated that she grabbed some campaign literature and handed it out all day. A video is up on YouTube.

"Have you ever heard the expression, 'What's wrong is right and what's right is wrong?' " Aitken, the retired art teacher, asks. "We've been doing things that are so wrong for so long that the right thing for some might feel freaky. Sometimes you have to stop and think, 'Okay, this is my conviction.' "
 
In a HORRENDOUS example of media bias exhibit A is MSNBC's coverage of the Nevada straw poll (which Ron Paul won). Their headline? Romney Loses NV Straw Poll

***UPDATE***Correction: An earlier version of this post had incorrect straw poll results. Romney was NOT fourth, but second. The post below is now correct.

From NBC/NJ's Erin McPike
SPARKS, Nev. – Ron Paul won the GOP presidential straw poll conducted by organizers at the Conservative Leadership Conference held at the Nugget Casino this weekend “by a large margin,” according to an organizer.

Paul won with 33 percent, Romney came in second with 16 percent and Duncan Hunter was just behind with 15 percent. "Undecided" was fourth with 11 percent, and Thompson and Giuliani were next and ahead of the rest of the pack -- all in single digits. Raw numbers haven't been provided, but there were approximately 430 registrants at the opening of the conference.

Although many of the Republican presidential teams had surrogates representing them at the conference, Mitt Romney and Duncan Hunter were the only candidates to speak at the conference, and the victor himself was not there.

Libertarian sentiment dominated the conference, and a number of attendees expressed disappointment with the Republican Party for not catering to many of their views. Several speakers explained that they were looking to move on, echoing much of the discontent that came out of the meeting of the Council for National Policy in Salt Lake City late last month.

In fact, American Target Advertising Chairman Richard Viguerie, who said he was part of the strategic meetings in Salt Lake City, said Thursday night that even though he has agreed not to support Giuliani, Thompson or McCain, he’s still not close to declaring support for Romney or any other lower tier candidates because they are still actively and seriously courting conservatives. “Why would we stop the flow of flowers and candy?” he said.

Almost on cue, Romney said during his speech the next day to the group, “I’m from the Republican wing of the Republican Party,” eliciting a negative response from some rival campaigns and the Democratic National Committee. The DNC jumped and noted that he stole Chairman Howard Dean’s line from the previous election when he told voters he was “from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party” before losing to John Kerry.

Out of the malaise over the conference came several questions targeted to Romney urging him to explain why he could be the candidate who would change the party’s direction. In particular, vastright founder Joseph Bentzel, whose start-up Web company with slogan “Powering Digital Conspiracy” has yet to launch, asked Romney at a town hall how the party can be re-brand, reform, refocus and re-launch after what he called is a phase of “pre-emptive defeatism” for the GOP. Romney gave a four-part answer, starting with his pitch, “Well, I think it helps to have a new face.”

Romney went on to sound another theme of his: optimism. He called the Democrats pessimists and said his optimism could go a long way for the Republicans, and he moved onto a point similar to his first, that the country ought to be led by someone who hasn’t spent an entire lifetime in politics. And he ended with a line that played well before the crowd of Reaganites, implying that his energy and passion could echo that of Ronald Reagan’s.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20071015/pl_cq_politics/craigcrawfords1600underdogswithbite

Craig Crawford's 1600: Underdogs With Bite By Craig Crawford
Mon Oct 15, 8:29 AM ET

Mitt Romney and Rudolph Giuliani did their best to steal the show at last week’s Republican presidential debate, intensely going back and forth at each other as the other seven candidates watched in silence. They were not just trying to score points against each other. Their bickering also had the effect of momentarily appearing to turn their party’s contest into a two-man race that excluded the remainder of the field.

With the Iowa caucuses only a dozen weeks away, the front-runners of both parties are pushing to lock in their positions and freeze out the also-rans. But the voters might have a different idea about who belongs in the top tier, no matter how determinedly the leaders seek to spotlight just a few close rivals in their bids to undermine the others.

On the GOP side, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul are gathering enough momentum and money to potentially surprise the handicappers once the voting begins. For Democrats, Bill Richardson could be the dark horse to watch. The most likely chance for upsets will come in the small, early-voting states such as Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina — where the lesser-knowns can still hope to harvest votes at the retail level — and outside the blinding focus on those who perform best in the national polls.

It’s a no-brainer for the former New York mayor and the former Massachusetts governor to try to showcase each other as the top two GOP contenders. For months, Giuliani has consistently come out on top in national polls. While underperforming in such surveys, Romney has spent lots of time and money in Iowa to maintain a solid lead, and he still has a leg up in New Hampshire as the former chief executive of a neighboring state.

The dynamic is a bit different on the Democratic side, where Hillary Rodham Clinton has had success establishing herself as the sole front-runner while Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina battle for second place. At debates, the New York senator seldom misses a chance to praise or otherwise acknowledge the existence of second-tier candidates such as fellow Sens. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware and Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut. This suggests she sees some benefit in elevating those candidates who might make trouble for Edwards or Obama and split the “anybody but Hillary” Democratic vote.

Time is growing short for feisty also-rans such as Huckabee, Paul and Richardson. Without surprise showings in January to catapult them into the spotlight, they’ll probably be crushed by the overwhelming force of more than 20 states voting Feb. 5 — an unprecedented consolidation that poses a serious disadvantage for the lesser-known and under-funded.

Paul surprised many by raising an impressive $5.1 million this summer and starting this month with more cash on hand than Sen. John McCain of Arizona. Since the Texas congressman was the Libertarian nominee for president in 1988 (and finished third, with half a percent of the popular vote), Paul has attracted a loyal following from Republicans opposed to big government and the war in Iraq.

Running for Running Mate

While the spotlight flicks on and off the Huckabee and Richardson dreams of topping a 2008 ticket, both are getting ample play in the great machine of gossip and speculation about next year’s vice presidential picks. Such is the fate of those not perceived to be top contenders. They tend to get many more media questions than they would like about possibly serving as a running mate.

Huckabee is in a particularly strong position to be considered for the second spot if Giuliani or another social moderate secures the GOP nomination. The Baptist preacher and former Arkansas governor is solidly in sync with religious conservatives who have been a pivotal voting bloc for the GOP since Ronald Reagan galvanized them in 1980. Richardson’s Hispanic heritage has generated interest in him as a Democratic second-spot pick who could stave off GOP inroads into a growing demographic group. A popular governor in New Mexico who was Bill Clinton’s Energy secretary and U.N. envoy, Richardson has proved to be an able campaigner. His unvarnished anti-war views could be a plus, too.

For the same reasons that they’re attractive running-mate possibilities, Huckabee and Richardson should not be completely dismissed as candidates who could stage major upsets in an early state. Still, as with so many of the front-runner alternatives in both parties, even a surprise victory in Iowa or elsewhere might not be enough to immediately gather the money for enough advertising and infrastructure to dominate the quick succession of decisive contests throughout the country.

But America loves underdogs — and in the 2008 race, both parties feature plenty of choices for a come-from-behind shocker.
 
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