Presidential Candidate Ron Paul's Official Thread

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Humphrey Bogart said:
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:lol :lol :lol

As someone who campaigned for Harry Browne (RIP) in 2000--I still have one of his campaign shirts--I think I pretty much have to support Rep. Paul. He was always the one example of a libertarian candidate who 'made it' and his campaign is impressive to say the least.
 
Ron Paul was written up in the NYT

The Antiwar, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Drug-Enforcement-Administration, Anti-Medicare Candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul

Whipping westward across Manhattan in a limousine sent by Comedy Central’s “Daily Show,” Ron Paul, the 10-term Texas congressman and long-shot Republican presidential candidate, is being briefed. Paul has only the most tenuous familiarity with Comedy Central. He has never heard of “The Daily Show.” His press secretary, Jesse Benton, is trying to explain who its host, Jon Stewart, is. “He’s an affable gentleman,” Benton says, “and he’s very smart. What I’m getting from the pre-interview is, he’s sympathetic.”

Paul nods.

“GQ wants to profile you on Thursday,” Benton continues. “I think it’s worth doing.”

“GTU?” the candidate replies.

“GQ. It’s a men’s magazine.”

“Don’t know much about that,” Paul says.

Thin to the point of gauntness, polite to the point of daintiness, Ron Paul is a 71-year-old great-grandfather, a small-town doctor, a self-educated policy intellectual and a formidable stander on constitutional principle. In normal times, Paul might be — indeed, has been — the kind of person who is summoned onto cable television around April 15 to ventilate about whether the federal income tax violates the Constitution. But Paul has in recent weeks become a sensation in magazines he doesn’t read, on Web sites he has never visited and on television shows he has never watched.

Alone among Republican candidates for the presidency, Paul has always opposed the Iraq war. He blames “a dozen or two neocons who got control of our foreign policy,” chief among them Vice President Dick Cheney and the former Bush advisers Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, for the debacle. On the assumption that a bad situation could get worse if the war spreads into Iran, he has a simple plan. It is: “Just leave.” During a May debate in South Carolina, he suggested the 9/11 attacks could be attributed to United States policy. “Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us?” he asked, referring to one of Osama bin Laden’s communiqués. “They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years.” Rudolph Giuliani reacted by demanding a retraction, drawing gales of applause from the audience. But the incident helped Paul too. Overnight, he became the country’s most conspicuous antiwar Republican.
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pxleyes said:
just plain scary
thank god this guy has no chance, regardless of this thread's popularity.
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You aren't allowed to mention that! I brought up the fact he has 0% in republican polling and I nearly got killed. They are in denial and think THE REPUBLICAN PARTY will nominate him.

Shh! :lol
 
What impact should his presumed chances of success have on his issues stances or our opinions of him / support for him?

People that think he's going to win range from naively optimistic to just plain kooky, but win or lose, he's the best candidate and I'll support him.

This isn't betting on horses. People that go into the voting booth and play "try to pick the winner" basically demonstrate the worst problems with universal suffrage and democracy.
 
JayDubya said:
What impact should his presumed chances of success have on his issues stances or our opinions of him / support for him?

People that think he's going to win range from naively optimistic to just plain kooky, but win or lose, he's the best candidate and I'll support him.
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I like the guy and dont see any problem supporting him. But there are people in this thread who honestly believe he has a shot at winning. If I wasn't voting in the Dem primary I'd vote for Paul hands down. But I wouldn't tell people he was going to win.

There is a big difference between supporting someone despite their chances to win and supporting the same candidate but telling people that he'll win.

Earlier in this thread I was told that youth primary voters (which there are like...zero of them) was so under-represented in polling they will alone shift Paul to to the win in republican primaries.
 
MassiveAttack said:
Sean Hannity: "Ron Paul is offensive, outrageous and ill-informed."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uURuLW2tv1g

Batshit insanity quadruple confirmed.

Oh... and the CIA and the 9-11 Commission Report are part of a truth conspiracy.
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Wow, if Sean Hannity hates a conservative... they must be batshit ****ing insane. I remember him saying that Vitter should resign after being caught in the DC Madam scandal. When Larry Flynt releases the names of those senators caught up in it, too, it's going to be a megaton at Fox News, and not the good kind...
 
Sean Hannity hates him because he opposes the Iraq War and meddlesome foreign policy, that's about all there is to it.

Ron Paul is a libertarian paleoconservative / classical liberal.

That Hannity hates him is more a mark against Hannity's character than against Paul's.
 
JayDubya said:
What impact should his presumed chances of success have on his issues stances or our opinions of him / support for him?

People that think he's going to win range from naively optimistic to just plain kooky, but win or lose, he's the best candidate and I'll support him.

This isn't betting on horses. People that go into the voting booth and play "try to pick the winner" basically demonstrate the worst problems with universal suffrage and democracy.
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You want to know why he truly doesn't have a chance in hell?

You will never get the support needed win the presidency believing what he believes here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7ErBROBgERs (cue point: 4:10)

Regardless if he has a point or not, no "average" American is going to buy that kind of thinking.
 
pxleyes said:
You want to know why he truly doesn't have a chance in hell?

You will never get the support needed win the presidency believing what he believes here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7ErBROBgERs (cue point: 4:10)

Regardless if he has a point or not, no "average" American is going to buy that kind of thinking.
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Abolish or significantly reduce U.S. involvement in or spending on:
Dept. of Education
Dept. of Homeland Security
Dept. of Energy

And why stop there? Most of the departments need to go. Health and Human Services / Housing and Urban Development come to mind immediately.

Homeland Security ostensibly has a constitutionally valid role if not for the fact that almost all of its activities are coordinated in an expensive and constitutionally invalid manner, making it, in practice, an offense against necessary liberty.

IRS
FEMA
U.N. (UNICEF is part of this)
NATO
ICC.
NAFTA
WTO

And why stop there? That's a good start, but then the FDA and EPA come to mind immediately.

Sounds good so far. Where's the problem?
 
JayDubya said:
Abolish or significantly reduce U.S. involvement in or spending on:
Dept. of Education
Dept. of Homeland Security
Dept. of Energy

And why stop there? Most of the departments need to go. Health and Human Services / Housing and Urban Development come to mind immediately.

Homeland Security ostensibly has a constitutionally valid role if not for the fact that almost all of its activities are coordinated in an expensive and constitutionally invalid manner, making it, in practice, an offense against necessary liberty.

IRS
FEMA
U.N. (UNICEF is part of this)
NATO
ICC.
NAFTA
WTO

And why stop there? That's a good start, but then the FDA and EPA come to mind immediately.

Sounds good so far. Where's the problem?
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It is like talking to a brick wall.
 
pxleyes said:
It is like talking to a brick wall.
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So what is your point, exactly? That a desire to comprehensively end all this stuff is far-fetched fiscal conservatism beyond the bounds of what the average voter wants? Well, sure, probably.

That a lot of people like the nanny state and won't vote it out of power? That some people prefer safety to freedom, but only when it comes it a context packaged and marketed for their particular demographic? Well no kidding.

But that's the kind of mindless sheep mentality that one hopes will eventually come to an end. An ideal government would make sweeping spending cuts, end budgetary deficits year-to-year, fully pay off that monstrous debt, then reduce federal taxes to what is constitutionally necessary to keep valid roles like the rule of law and military protection going...

Furthermore, this leaves each state with the freedom to enact their own programs if they desire, as per the 10th amendment. NY State wants universal healthcare? Great, pay for it with your state taxes.
 
JayDubya said:
Sounds good so far. Where's the problem?
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Sounds good to you, but the point is that the average American would never, ever bite on something like abolishing the FDA or Dept. of Education. As a friend recently said, by and large, there's no such thing as a temporary government program.

Although I approve of some of Ron Paul's philosophies and admire his principled approach to politics (something that's sorely lacking from all of the other candidates save Kucinich), he could never be elected or even receive the nomination. Even if he could get into office, it'd be putting the cart before the horse; without an equally-minded Congress to support him, the entire presidency would be a mess.

In our current system, the best way to advance ideas that radically depart from the status quo is to build them up locally. If you wanted to assemble a state government composed largely of libertarians, that would be a more realistic goal that could serve as a demonstrable microcosm for how a more constitutionally-minded America might look. If the results were good enough (and the methods different enough), that state would begin to attract attention and interest.
 
JayDubya said:
Sean Hannity hates him because he opposes the Iraq War and meddlesome foreign policy, that's about all there is to it.

Ron Paul is a libertarian paleoconservative / classical liberal.

That Hannity hates him is more a mark against Hannity's character than against Paul's.
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I don't doubt that, but here's his call for Vitter to resign. Take it as you will.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/20/hannity-on-vitter/

Love your avatar, BTW. :D
 
human5892 said:
Sounds good to you, but the point is that the average American would never, ever bite on something like abolishing the FDA or Dept. of Education. As a friend recently said, by and large, there's no such thing as a temporary government program.

Although I approve of some of Ron Paul's philosophies and admire his principled approach to politics (something that's sorely lacking from all of the other candidates save Kucinich), he could never be elected or even receive the nomination. Even if he could get into office, it'd be putting the cart before the horse; without an equally-minded Congress to support him, the entire presidency would be a mess.

In our current system, the best way to advance ideas that radically depart from the status quo is to build them up locally. If you wanted to assemble a state government composed largely of libertarians, that would be a more realistic goal that could serve as a demonstrable microcosm for how a more constitutionally-minded America might look. If the results were good enough (and the methods different enough), that state would begin to attract attention and interest.
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bingo, but he would never agree.
 
That google interview with Ron Paul... is the most amazing video I have ever seen.

I kinda got burned out on the Ron Paul thing about a month ago... but that video just put me back to the front.
 
virtuafightermaster said:
After all he is still a republican. I will die before I vote for another republican.
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I'm curious if you're saying this because you don't know what a real Republican is or if you're just blindly ignorant for your own convenience.
 
I disagree with just about everything Ron Paul says, except for the stance on Patriot Act and Iraq War.

That said, there's a lot of grassroots campaigning for Paul, which is the first I've ever witnessed. I live in Iowa and throughout the state, I've already seen three Ron Paul (those revolution posters) posters and at least a couple dozen cars with his bumper stickers on them. I was quite surprised.
 
The Experiment said:
I disagree with just about everything Ron Paul says, except for the stance on Patriot Act and Iraq War.
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Same here. I think most Americans might find him more acceptable if this was 1787 instead of 2007 but it isn't.
 
Cheebs said:
You aren't allowed to mention that! I brought up the fact he has 0% in republican polling and I nearly got killed. They are in denial and think THE REPUBLICAN PARTY will nominate him.

Shh! :lol
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Im under the assumption that after losing the primary hell run as an independent ala Leiberman.

Did he say he wont do this?
 
Stoney Mason said:
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"Vote for Ron Paul or I will crush your puny skull, human!"

Wait, no, sorry. That's out of character.

"................"

That's better. Still the same message.
 
jamesinclair said:
Im under the assumption that after losing the primary hell run as an independent ala Leiberman.

Did he say he wont do this?
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He will not run under a non-republican party ticket he has stated, he ran as president under a third party already before and he said he will not do it again. He'll run for his congress seat again when he loses the nomination.
 
Cheebs said:
He will not run under a non-republican party ticket he has stated, he ran as president under a third party already before and he said he will not do it again. He'll run for his congress seat again when he loses the nomination.
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Thats a shame. Wrte in candidate ftw
 
I got to meet Ron Paul today in the Omaha Nebraska area. He gave his usual speeches, but it's so cool to actually meet him in person. He's a very approachable guy.

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If Ron Paul became president, do you think he would cut off all financial conduits to Israel in the name of non-interventionism? If not, isn't he a hypocrite? Would Israel be in trouble if it did happen?
 
Propagandhim said:
If Ron Paul became president, do you think he would cut off all financial conduits to Israel in the name of non-interventionism? If not, isn't he a hypocrite? Would Israel be in trouble if it did happen?
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He can't cut it off. Congress controls money. Don't you know how the US Government works?
 
chodebot said:
He can't cut it off. Congress controls money. Don't you know how the US Government works?
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Duh. I meant it in the same vain as what he would propose/support/veto to do. Much like proposing to erase government agencies. Members of the executive branch can write new legislation and allow a member of Congress to introduce it. Don't you know how the US Government works?
 
9% is the new 2%. He's climbing at least. It's worth noting that he hardly campaigned in Iowa, and spent very little money. Whereas Romney basically bought his votes with 10 million.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

MITT ROMNEY 4,516 VOTES 31.6%

MIKE HUCKABEE 2,587 VOTES 18.1%

SAM BROWNBACK 2,192 VOTES 15.3%

TOM TANCREDO 1,961 VOTES 13.7%

RON PAUL 1,305 VOTES 9.1%

TOMMY THOMPSON 1,039 VOTES 7.3%

FRED THOMPSON 203 VOTES 1.4%

RUDY GIULIANI 183 VOTES 1.3%

DUNCAN HUNTER 174 VOTES 1.2%

JOHN MCCAIN 101 VOTES .7%

JOHN COX 41 VOTES .3%

14,302 TOTAL BALLOTS CAST
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