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Visceir said:
Ehh, perhaps that 5 billion years estimate might when you don't take a super-growth alien black goo into consideration. Could very well be that the humans evolved just as rapidly from the black goo as that fetus did in Shaw's body.
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I dunno, I kinda like Darwin. I think he was onto something.
 
The_Technomancer said:
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DoctorWho said:
If the ship flipped on its side sooner it's quite possible Vickers would have survived and Shaw would have been crushed. Shaw was almost crushed anyways. Luck saved her. I think the people complaining that Vickers was stupid for running in a straight line aren't considering the complete chaos and randomness of the situation.
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Right. All of this took place in what, less than a minute? Both of them certainly would have been disoriented from the explosion of the craft and its impact on the ground. Not to mention the debris flying through the air. They were both generally running away from the chaos. I don't consider this to be a reasonable nitpick at all.

Also, I think there is definitely a chance that Vickers is still alive. Every single other death in the film was presented in some deliberate way. I cynically believe that they presented it in this way in order limit Theron's leverage in negotiating a role in the sequel.

As the credits roll, David and Shaw have departed for the Engineer home world and Shaw's child/grandchild/Deacon is left on LV-223. There has to be more to the story on LV-223.
 
I would like to know what happened to Millburn. The snake thing went down this throat and then popped out of his mouth later when the crew discovers him laying on the ground. Did they take him back with them? Did he just die there in the chamber? Did the snake thing impregnate him with anything?
 
Solo said:
MUCH better. Call it cliche'd and cheesey, at least it tells a logical story and has actual (if shallow) characters, none of which Prometheus can claim to have. Also, its much better paced, scored, and has much better action sequences. Avatar >>> Prometheus.
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Yup. I just think that Ridley rushes too quickly to make movies. He needs to take his time like Cameron and that would improve the movies considerably IMO. Maybe write a few more drafts of the script...
 
Based on this thread, I cannot wait for similar threads for Skytall, TDKR, The Hobbit, etc. They will glorious, especially Skyfall and TDRK. Both are guaranteed to full of plot holes, stupid characters, plot armor, etc.

I hope everyone will be in attendance.
 
Speedymanic said:
Based on this thread, I cannot wait for similar threads for Skytall, TDKR, The Hobbit, etc. They will glorious, especially Skyfall and TDRK. Both are guaranteed to full of plot holes, stupid characters, plot armor, etc.

I hope everyone will be in attendance.
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Lol. This again. Why don't you and Good Job Bob stick to talking about the movies which you have seen, instead of making wild predictions about stuff you know nothing about? :)
 
Discotheque said:
Blade Runner's one of my favorite films. To see a director who's just a hollow shell of what he once was revisit it doesn't really ease my doubts. Especially after Prometheus which I expected to be his return to form.

If they must make a Blade Runner sequel they should give it to a new director.
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Scott has it in him, visually the movie stands on its own and is fucking beautiful. The problem is is choosing to go with a hack fucking writer like Lindelof. Let's hope they part ways after this. The guy's pretentious writing is a joke.
 
Solo said:
MUCH better. Call it cliche'd and cheesey, at least it tells a logical story and has actual (if shallow) characters, none of which Prometheus can claim to have. Also, its much better paced, scored, and has much better action sequences. Avatar >>> Prometheus.
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Logical story? Yeah, because it's generic as shit. This is the movie that has "unobtainium" and a villain that would be better suited in Gears of War. Actually no, even General Raam was better.

This movie looked amazing, had great atmosphere, felt unique, the concept was really interesting, it was trying to be more than it was but felt refreshing. They could have fixed a lot of things with a few extra subtle hints throughout the movie like designed it to be watched several times to get the full story. Avatar was just pretty hollywood summer blockbuster #42168. People say the characters were bad in this? The characters can't get anymore cardboard in Avatar.
 
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I think I figured out what's been bugging me about this pose. He looks like a lost member of a sentai team.
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DMczaf said:
omg this.

Why did his random switch pulling and button pressing always work?!
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Didn't seem so random to me. Given he's the guy who's been studying up on what they've inferred about their language, he could probably tell that a symbol meant OPEN DOOR or whatever. Otherwise he learned by seeing what Engineers did in old recordings.
omnomis said:
If he was completely ignoring what Cameron did... wouldn't there also be no "Building Better Worlds"? And no assault rifles and power loaders on the website? Sure that Weyland Timeline could just be Ridley's peons having some fun writing extraneous material that's just fan service, but I'm pretty sure Weyland-Yutani's tagline was introduced in Aliens to go along with the atmosphere processing plot.
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Correct. For that matter, I think in Alien it was even Weylan-Yutani no d, so even going with Weyland is choosing a small point for Aliens over Alien.
 
Darklord said:
Logical story? Yeah, because it's generic as shit. This is the movie that has "unobtainium" and a villain that would be better suited in Gears of War. Actually no, even General Raam was better.

This movie looked amazing, had great atmosphere, felt unique, the concept was really interesting, it was trying to be more than it was but felt refreshing. They could have fixed a lot of things with a few extra subtle hints throughout the movie like designed it to be watched several times to get the full story. Avatar was just pretty hollywood summer blockbuster #42168. People say the characters were bad in this? The characters can't get anymore cardboard in Avatar.
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Yup, Avatar as a movie was laughable. As a technical tour de force, it was fantastic.

INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
Scott has it in him, visually the movie stands on its own and is fucking beautiful. The problem is is choosing to go with a hack fucking writer like Lindelof. Let's hope they part ways after this. The guy's pretentious writing is a joke.
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Spaihts wrote the movie as well, and everything was guided by Scott. If you have issues with the script, you have issues with the three of them, not just Lindelof. He's just a lightning rod for nerds.
 
andycapps said:
Yup, Avatar as a movie was laughable. As a technical tour de force, it was fantastic.



Spaihts wrote the movie as well, and everything was guided by Scott. If you have issues with the script, you have issues with the three of them, not just Lindelof. He's just a lightning rod for nerds.
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Sure, but did it help or hinder bringing him on? Of course Scott had input, but I'll take the credits of Scott as a director and working with competent and talented screenwriters over the credits of Lindeloff specifically. Spaihts is supposedly a go-to guy yet has one other credit to his name? I don't know much about him. All I'm really trying to say is the main objective of the director is to translate the story and themes into a visually interesting concept; Scott still has it. Give him a talented writer on his crew and he will make it happen.

PS. Is Spaihts originally a fiction novelist?
 
Darklord said:
Logical story? Yeah, because it's generic as shit. This is the movie that has "unobtainium" and a villain that would be better suited in Gears of War. Actually no, even General Raam was better.

This movie looked amazing, had great atmosphere, felt unique, the concept was really interesting, it was trying to be more than it was but felt refreshing. They could have fixed a lot of things with a few extra subtle hints throughout the movie like designed it to be watched several times to get the full story. Avatar was just pretty hollywood summer blockbuster #42168. People say the characters were bad in this? The characters can't get anymore cardboard in Avatar.
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Nah.
 
Erigu said:
Yes, but Prometheus is worse.
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But that's just like, your opinion, man.

INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
Sure, but did it help or hinder bringing him on? Of course Scott had input, but I'll take the credits of Scott as a director and working with competent and talented screenwriters over the credits of Lindeloff specifically. Spaihts is supposedly a go-to guy yet has one other credit to his name? I don't know much about him. All I'm really trying to say is the main objective of the director is to translate the story and themes into a visually interesting concept; Scott still has it. Give him a talented writer on his crew and he will make it happen.

PS. Is Spaihts originally a fiction novelist?
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I'm not too familiar with him, but he seems like a novelist, like you suggest. I hate to keep on beating the dead horse, but I'd like to revisit the story and themes later when Scott puts out his Director's Cut.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
so why did Shaw have to drag David's body around at the end?

Is this so they can set up his head/body reattachment in the sequel? :p
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Is it really so unreasonable to think that David is insanely more useful to Shah if he's able to fully function again?

Convenient from a sequel POV, but it's not like it's crazy to think that both Shah and David have an interest in rebuilding David.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
so why did Shaw have to drag David's body around at the end?


Is this so they can set up his head/body reattachment in the sequel? :p
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She needed him to tell her how to pilot the ship. I'd assume that he can't survive for long without being attached to his body, presumably many of the circuits he uses are in that part of his body. So yeah, I'd expect him to have instructed her on how to repair him.
 
andycapps said:
But that's just like, your opinion, man.



I'm not too familiar with him, but he seems like a novelist, like you suggest. I hate to keep on beating the dead horse, but I'd like to revisit the story and themes later when Scott puts out his Director's Cut.
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Fair enough, I'd love for a DC to address the many problems. If so, I will retract my criticisms perhaps.
 
RubxQub said:
Is it really so unreasonable to think that David is insanely more useful to Shah if he's able to fully function again?

Convenient from a sequel POV, but it's not like it's crazy to think that both Shah and David have an interest in rebuilding David.
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More useful intact? Absolutely.
I mean, I guess David could instruct Shaw how to 'repair' him, but it just seems a bit above an archeologist's know-withal to repair a detailed android. Also: on an alien ship with alien tech.


Regardless, I look forward to the possibility of more Noomi and Fassbender antics in the follow-up. :}
 
Tom_Cody said:
Right. All of this took place in what, less than a minute? Both of them certainly would have been disoriented from the explosion of the craft and its impact on the ground. Not to mention the debris flying through the air. They were both generally running away from the chaos. I don't consider this to be a reasonable nitpick at all.

Also, I think there is definitely a chance that Vickers is still alive. Every single other death in the film was presented in some deliberate way. I cynically believe that they presented it in this way in order limit Theron's leverage in negotiating a role in the sequel.

As the credits roll, David and Shaw have departed for the Engineer home world and Shaw's child/grandchild/Deacon is left on LV-223. There has to be more to the story on LV-223.
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Vickers death was completely out of character - she is level headed and resolute throughout the story - she is so precise and emotionless, she is accused of being and android. This is not a character that would be so easily be disoriented. I don't think that is a nit-pick, I think it's a perfectly valid complaint as an example of the trash that sometimes appeared in this film.

The film itself is not trash, but a surprising amount of tripe, like the above, made it through, and that is not the quality of work I expected from Scott (though sadly it is becoming the norm for the Alien universe movies).
 
maharg said:
Things in Alien movies like to grow. The xeno in Alien didn't eat anything before it was taller than a person.
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maharg said:
Uh huh.

Seriously, people need to let this one go. It's like going to Attack of the 50ft Woman and complaining that her spine wouldn't be able to support her height. It's a conceit of the series and you just gotta accept that things in Alien movies grow because of midichlorians or something.
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The removal of the food locker scene remains a really unfortunate and highly consequential edit from page to screen. I'm of the mindset that if it didn't happen in the film, and wasn't implied somehow, then it didn't happen. The way the subsequent Alien films took the "biomass out of nowhere" thing to extremes could have been headed off had it been included.

The alien's need for subsistence is implied by Kane's hunger when he awakes after the facehugger drops off. "I've got to have something to eat before we go back..." Dude was eating for two, as the alien absorbed nutrition and mass from him. But there's no implication the adult alien has such a need. I was bummed to see Scott go the same direction in Prometheus, taking the Shaw squid baby and blowing it up in a span of hours with no implied sustenance. I can buy that the the alien might have a super efficient, waste-free metabolism, growing fast on relatively little intake. But nothing?
 
TheJollyCorner said:
More useful intact? Absolutely.
I mean, I guess David could instruct Shaw how to 'repair' him, but it just seems a bit above an archeologist's know-withal to repair a detailed android. Also: on an alien ship with alien tech.

Regardless, I look forward to the possibility of more Noomi and Fassbender antics in the follow-up. :}
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Probably not something she was familiar with, but with him being an android he could give detailed instructions, not feel any pain (obviously), and they had nothing but time. Heck, he could probably do the repairs himself if she just laid him down on an operating table and put a mirror above him.

INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
Fair enough, I'd love for a DC to address the many problems. If so, I will retract my criticisms perhaps.
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After KoH I'm just of the opinion that Scott's movies are better in the Director's Cut and no matter what he says about the theatrical cut being the one he really wanted to do (while he's promoting the theatrical release), I don't buy it. All directors hate cutting parts of the movie that they filmed, but it has to be done for flow or because the audience won't be patient. There's several scenes and ideas that I think were introduced that seems like they were abandoned because of time.
 
andycapps said:
Probably not something she was familiar with, but with him being an android he could give detailed instructions, not feel any pain (obviously), and they had nothing but time. Heck, he could probably do the repairs himself if she just laid him down on an operating table and put a mirror above him.



After KoH I'm just of the opinion that Scott's movies are better in the Director's Cut and no matter what he says about the theatrical cut being the one he really wanted to do (while he's promoting the theatrical release), I don't buy it. All directors hate cutting parts of the movie that they filmed, but it has to be done for flow or because the audience won't be patient. There's several scenes and ideas that I think were introduced that seems like they were abandoned because of time.
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Especially true for Scott, so I'm hoping that it does happen and balances things out. He has the pull in the industry where he should be able to not have to cut things though.
 
You can re-watch Avatar just for the visuals and score, especially to show off Blu-Ray to family and friends; it's a spectacle. With a film like Prometheus, however, you're required to follow the narrative and try to make sense of the context. If you've been disappointed/frustrated in regards to this, you're far less likely to rewatch the film, certainly as many times as you may Avatar.
 
TRios Zen said:
Vickers death was completely out of character - she is level headed and resolute throughout the story - she is so precise and emotionless, she is accused of being and android. This is not a character that would be so easily be disoriented. I don't think that is a nit-pick, I think it's a perfectly valid complaint as an example of the trash that sometimes appeared in this film.

The film itself is not trash, but a surprising amount of tripe, like the above, made it through, and that is not the quality of work I expected from Scott (though sadly it is becoming the norm for the Alien universe movies).
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I probably shouldn't have this was an unreasonable nitpick, I just disagree. Yes, I believe that her rush to get dressed, then her ejection, then collision of the ships, the impact of the ship on the ground, would sufficiently disorient her to the extent that she would simply run away from the chaos.

Hell, this post even argues the pressure waves alone would have killed her:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=38836376

To reiterate, I do not take issue with her behavior in that scene.
 
Say what you want about Avatar, at least it worked.

Prometheus is a mess on every level and all the high concepts and vapid religious connotations won't save it. (Not writing out 'high-level concepts' was hard. Fucking bioware.)
 
Darklord said:
Logical story? Yeah, because it's generic as shit. This is the movie that has "unobtainium" and a villain that would be better suited in Gears of War. Actually no, even General Raam was better.

This movie looked amazing, had great atmosphere, felt unique, the concept was really interesting, it was trying to be more than it was but felt refreshing. They could have fixed a lot of things with a few extra subtle hints throughout the movie like designed it to be watched several times to get the full story. Avatar was just pretty hollywood summer blockbuster #42168. People say the characters were bad in this? The characters can't get anymore cardboard in Avatar.
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Cry moar! You know everything I said is true. Avatar > John Carter > Prometheus.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I was bummed to see Scott go the same direction in Prometheus, taking the Shaw squid baby and blowing it up in a span of hours with no implied sustenance. I can buy that the the alien might have a super efficient, waste-free metabolism, growing fast on relatively little intake. But nothing?
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And conveniently growing big enough in that time to take on an Engineer and win...

Maybe shawSquid just figured out how to work the medical platform and convinced the platform to feed it intravenus nutrients...and since those nutrients would have been calibrated for a man, squiddy would have grown in no time!
 
Tom_Cody said:
I probably shouldn't have this was an unreasonable nitpick, I just disagree. Yes, I believe that her rush to get dressed, then her ejection, then collision of the ships, the impact of the ship on the ground, would sufficiently disorient her to the extent that she would simply run away from the chaos.

Hell, this post even argues the pressure waves alone would have killed her:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=38836376

To reiterate, I do not take issue with her behavior in that scene.
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Well yeah, she would have had a concussion and probably been throwing up on the ground from it. I didn't think it was off at the time, but I guess it's because I think of it as her being so professional and having her shit together didn't help her at all in that situation. She came out of the escape pod, felt like shit and her head was spinning and she got flattened. And I thought it was ballsy to kill off Theron like that. I actually thought it was awesome, because I expected her and Shaw to buddy up and try to survive, and then it didn't happen.

Shaw was probably the least likely person on the ship to survive all of the events as far as her skills and her physical condition, yet she made it out.
 
Speedymanic said:
Based on this thread, I cannot wait for similar threads for Skytall, TDKR, The Hobbit, etc. They will glorious, especially Skyfall and TDRK. Both are guaranteed to full of plot holes, stupid characters, plot armor, etc.

I hope everyone will be in attendance.
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Every movie has plot holes and some generally questionable decisions/stupidity in it. Every movie.

But the difference here is Prometheus is composed almost solely of these issues.
 
Solo said:
Every movie has plot holes and some generally questionable decisions/stupidity in it. Every movie.

But the difference here is Prometheus is composed almost solely of these issues.
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Oh come on, lot of exaggeration here. Everyone knows that the story and plot of Prometheus is being scrutinized so much because of who it's associated with and what was expected of it. Skyfall and all the other big movies this year will not have this level of nitpicking.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Some are legit and pretty damned funny, but others are nitpicky. The "why did the crew accept the mission before they knew what it was" is used by a lot of movies...including Aliens.
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I'm fairly certain no one on the Nostromo save Ash knew specifically why they were headed in the direction of LV-426.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I probably shouldn't have this was an unreasonable nitpick, I just disagree. Yes, I believe that her rush to get dressed, then her ejection, then collision of the ships, the impact of the ship on the ground, would sufficiently disorient her to the extent that she would simply run away from the chaos.

Hell, this post even argues the pressure waves alone would have killed her:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=38836376

To reiterate, I do not take issue with her behavior in that scene.
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Bro she's a "cool character", an alien spaceship the size of a small meteor crashing next to her shouldn't have rattled her bro. Plot hole.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I probably shouldn't have this was an unreasonable nitpick, I just disagree. Yes, I believe that her rush to get dressed, then her ejection, then collision of the ships, the impact of the ship on the ground, would sufficiently disorient her to the extent that she would simply run away from the chaos.

Hell, this post even argues the pressure waves alone would have killed her:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=38836376

To reiterate, I do not take issue with her behavior in that scene.
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While I don't share your views here, I can respect them.

As for me, there was a lot I liked about this movie, the things that bothered me were not so much the plot ambiguity or lack of answers - I can dig that, particularly if there is a sequel, it was the numerous times I felt like characters in this story acted exactly contrary to how you would expect them too, with no explanation but to further the story to the next set-piece.

I had hoped for more from this movie, and I'm willing to admit it was the weight of my expectations dashed against the reality of this movie that has disappointed me so.
 
kaching said:
And conveniently growing big enough in that time to take on an Engineer and win...

Maybe shawSquid just figured out how to work the medical platform and convinced the platform to feed it intravenus nutrients...and since those nutrients would have been calibrated for a man, squiddy would have grown in no time!
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Seriously? People are actually nitpikcing THIS now? That the squid baby grew without sustenance? Reallly????
 
darthbob said:
I'm fairly certain no one on the Nostromo save Ash knew specifically why they were headed in the direction of LV-426.
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They were never on a mission to LV-426, they were miners (returning to earth?) when they were re-routed to LV-426 to "investigate a distress signal" or something like that.
 
duckroll said:
Lol. This again. Why don't you and Good Job Bob stick to talking about the movies which you have seen, instead of making wild predictions about stuff you know nothing about? :)
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I guess we'll see starting next month. I'm really looking forward to it, hopefully the level of banter will be the same as it's been in this thread.

I really enjoy reading all the problems people had with the movie, all the wild theories, the back and forth, it's really great stuff.

We need more threads like this for big movie releases.
 
Ecrofirt said:
Good lord, you people are ripping this movie to shreds.

I've seen it once already, and I'm headed back again tomorrow. I loved it.
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There's really 2 or 3 that keep posting the "cute" flute gif or posting the same gripes over and over.

Speedymanic said:
I guess we'll see starting next month. I'm really looking forward to it, hopefully the level of banter will be the same as it's been in this thread.

I really enjoy reading all the problems people had with the movie, all the wild theories, the back and forth, it's really great stuff.

We need more threads like this for big movie releases.
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It is interesting, I don't think you'll see this level of scrutiny for much else.
 
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