PS4 Has Fifty Percent Lead Over Microsoft's Xbox One, Says Strategy Analytics Survey

ChiliManiac said:
I think Sony tends to see it's markets as a sprint because it doesn't have the long term marketing power that Microsoft has. Microsoft can afford to push things evenly throughout the entire cycle and make a sprint at the end as we saw with the Xbox 360.

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One final note is that Microsoft can out spend Sony every holiday season even if Sony puts more marketing behind the PS4 at launch.
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This gen MS spent most of their budget on marketing and timed 3rd party exclusives, whereas Sony spent hundreds of millions on 1st party games, and buying new development studios. As a gamer and consumer, I prefer the latter approach, and it did help them undo their screw-ups, and gain the same amount of market share with less spent on marketing.
 
Darhan said:
I know Amazon means nothing, but... have you seen the Best Sellers page?

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11#1

PS4 is:
1. with Watch Dogs
3. with Battlefield 4
5. with no games
10. with Killzone

Xbox One is:
38. with no games.
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The Movers and Shakers is interesting as well. After word got out that the PS4 bundles were back in stock, they all shot up like crazy. The weird/funny part is that the PS Camera is also charting.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsms/191-8612696-5619749

I honestly thought that after the bundles ran out some days ago, that that was going to be it for the launch day pre-orders even if more stock became available. I'm surprised.
 
If MS actually cannot hold a lead on their home turf with the American "give me Halo" zealots crowd, it is going to be a massacre.

A downright massacre.
 
trmas said:
If MS actually cannot hold a lead on their home turf with the American "give me Halo" zealots crowd, it is going to be a massacre.

A downright massacre.
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I think the idea that the 77 million 360 owners are part of a "give me Halo" crowd is a bit wrong. Halo 3 sold a little over 11 million copies out of the now 77 million owners. So we're talking about a zealot crowd about 11 million strong. It's a high number to be sure, but not enough to dominate your competition with a single game series.
 
BigDug13 said:
I think the idea that the 77 million 360 owners are part of a "give me Halo" crowd is a bit wrong. Halo 3 sold a little over 11 million copies out of the now 77 million owners. So we're talking about a zealot crowd about 11 million strong. It's a high number to be sure, but not enough to dominate your competition with a single game series.
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The assumption that there's 10 million Halo 'hardcores' is also a flawed one. Halo is a popular franchise with good games that reaches a wide gaming audience, even non-hardcores who bought their 360 for other FPS/games would also likely buy Halo.

At best, I would put the hardcore to 5-6 million tops.
 
nib95 said:
Best sellers of Amazon 2013 so far (PC and Video Games).

UK (Microsoft territory)

Amazon UK | Best sellers 2013 so far

3. PS4
36. Xbox One Day One Ed
76. Xbox One

US (also Microsoft territory)

Amazon US | Best sellers 2013 so far

3. PS4 Launch
6. Xbox One Day One Ed
42. PS4 Standard
87. PS4 Watch Dogs Bundle
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Here in the UK the press for Xbox One has yet to be positive. I still don't think it will bomb but as a fan of Xbox the system still doesn't seem like a must buy to me, far from it.
 
TheCloser said:
No one is underestimating Microsoft os abilities, they make Windows. People underestimate Sony's os capabilities. The issue people have with Microsoft is that as nice as some of those things are, they are not really needed or wanted. There have already been some restrictions announced. You can only do picture in picture with some apps. You can't do it with games and tv. The fact that you can't do it with games and tv kills the multitasking.
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This is interesting. Could you point me to a thread/news for that?
 
ThreeSixty said:
Here's some anecdotal evidence. I'm a hardcore Xbox fan. I bought the original Xbox at full price at launch. Completed Halo about a hundred times. I was a beta-tester for Xbox Live when that launched. The Xbox was my primary console for that generation. The allegiance I had with the Xbox brand was so strong I became a Staff Writer for TeamXbox.com. Reviewed hundreds of Xbox games. I was there for the midnight launch of Halo 2. I naturally switched over to the Xbox 360 when that launched. I was there again for the midnight launch of Halo Reach. I've been a consistent and constant die-hard Xbox fan for both generations there has been an Xbox console.

And at the end of this year, I'm permanently switching over to the PS4.
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Pretty much my story as well. I wasn't a TeamXbox staff writer but everything else you said rings true for me. Microsoft has shit the bed with this console and I hope they fail spectacularly for the shit they are trying to pull. DRM is only one part of this shit show. To me the biggest evil is the Kinect which is the biggest advertisement tool in the history of gaming.
 
softie said:
This is interesting. Could you point me to a thread/news for that?
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http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078

2) Constrained: The game is loaded in memory and is still running, but it has limited access to the system resources. The game is not rendering full screen in this state; it either is rendering to a reduced area of the screen or is not visible at all. The user cannot interact with the game in this state. System resource limits in this state are four CPUs, 5 GB of memory, and 45 percent of GPU power if the game is rendering to a reduced area of the screen, or 10 percent of GPU power if the game is not visible.
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Sony won me over with their heavy gamer focus, so I rewarded them by preordering a launch bundle with killzone and PS+. Can't wait to play it!
 
Sub_Level said:
That would hardly be a surprise either considering ps4 is $100 cheaper and releasing the same season. Theres nothing oooooh boy about it.
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I disagree. Given the marketshare they currently hold in the US, and given that its their strongest market, it would be a big deal to see PS4 outsell it. The fact that PS4 is cheaper does lead me to believe that there is a good possibility of this happening, but it would still be big news to see it actually play out that way.
 
TheRagnCajun said:
I disagree. Given the marketshare they currently hold in the US, and given that its their strongest market, it would be a big deal to see PS4 outsell it. The fact that PS4 is cheaper does lead me to believe that there is a good possibility of this happening, but it would still be big news to see it actually play out that way.
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The US does not hold onto brands for video games. It's proven time and again from Nintendo to Sony to Microsoft and now back to Sony. Gamers wanna game for less money and a powerful system with great games.
 
BigDug13 said:
The US does not hold onto brands for video games. It's proven time and again from Nintendo to Sony to Microsoft and now back to Sony. Gamers wanna game for less money and a powerful system with great games.
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We will see.

It's clear that Sony will get the jump on MS this year in the US.
It's also clear that Sony will own the world collective for this new gen (considering the Sony's standings in the current gen following they early gen failings).

However, MS's marketing in the US is nothing to be F'ed with. The 2014 3rd and 4th Qtr US gaming market will be a freaking circus of eye popping enjoyment.

and I will be enjoying my PS4
 
It's amazing to me that Microsoft is so dead set on pushing the Kinect into every box that they're willing to sacrifice market share to make that happen.
 
BruiserBear said:
It's amazing to me that Microsoft is so dead set on pushing the Kinect into every box that they're willing to sacrifice market share to make that happen.
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It's like Sony last gen with blu ray. When other entities start to push their agenda on the gaming teams at their company, shit like that happens (movie division at Sony and the advertising division at ms).
 
BruiserBear said:
It's amazing to me that Microsoft is so dead set on pushing the Kinect into every box that they're willing to sacrifice market share to make that happen.
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They're looking at what they gain in return. As I said in another thread, they probably don't care about most consoles sold but instead the influx of cash from services/advertisements. Even at the expense of market share. As a gamer that's scary, because even though the games will be there the message is fucked to hell.
 
BruiserBear said:
It's amazing to me that Microsoft is so dead set on pushing the Kinect into every box that they're willing to sacrifice market share to make that happen.
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That's not weird at all to me, like others have said, it is MS trying to push something that could have great ROI through its marketing/advertisement potential.

The one odd thing to me out of all of MS's strategy points so far is the heavy bet on a dying medium. Broadcast TV is dying.

MS's concept of trying to replace cable boxes and enhance the broadcast TV experience is good in a vacuum, and I certainly would have been intrigued by it 3 years ago, but by now it seems really late for this. They should be trying to enhance the experience for stream services, not broadcast TV (specially since they seemingly won't be doing DVR stuff).
 
I'd be surprised if the Xbone is very far behind the PS4 in the US this year, mostly because the 360 brand seems so powrful in the US, but then the Xbone isn't the 360. Elsewhere I really don't see it doing very well at all in the short to medium term. Sony may well get a similar year one advantage to that gained by the 360, or perhaps even better. How things move from there is down to the software.

Potentially things could get worse for Microsoft if Sony show some impressive new PS4 titles at Gamescom/TGS. Microsoft might also do so, but I don't see them having all that much let in the tank after E3.
 
BigDug13 said:
I think the idea that the 77 million 360 owners are part of a "give me Halo" crowd is a bit wrong. Halo 3 sold a little over 11 million copies out of the now 77 million owners. So we're talking about a zealot crowd about 11 million strong. It's a high number to be sure, but not enough to dominate your competition with a single game series.
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The Halo community is currently nowhere near the height of its fervor in the Halo 3 days. Reach and 4 lost the series a significant amount of good will.
 
It just doesn't help MS that much of the "value" they are claiming the Xbox One provides can be had by much cheaper devices. Their "unique" features, namely gesture/voice controlled media center and the set top box pass through is going to be a hard sell at $500. Especially when you've got much cheaper devices (the latest of which is the $35 Chromekey) that provide 90% of the One's media functionality sans the above mentioned features in a much more robust ecosystem (Windows 8 is shit).
 
CassiusLonginus said:
That's not weird at all to me, like others have said, it is MS trying to push something that could have great ROI through its marketing/advertisement potential.

The one odd thing to me out of all of MS's strategy points so far is the heavy bet on a dying medium. Broadcast TV is dying.

MS's concept of trying to replace cable boxes and enhance the broadcast TV experience is good in a vacuum, and I certainly would have been intrigued by it 3 years ago, but by now it seems really late for this. They should be trying to enhance the experience for stream services, not broadcast TV (specially since they seemingly won't be doing DVR stuff).
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If the X1 can't be used to control a DVR then no one I know will give a damn about the TV functions of it

DVRs are the norm now if you're not watching it via netflix/hulu etc.
 
SwiftDeath said:
If the X1 can't be used to control a DVR then no one I know will give a damn about the TV functions of it

DVRs are the norm now if you're not watching it via netflix/hulu etc.
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To clarify, from what I understand, the X1 will be able to control (certain) DVR's, but what I was referring to was that it won't be able to add DVR functionality if the cable box doesn't have it.
 
BruiserBear said:
It's amazing to me that Microsoft is so dead set on pushing the Kinect into every box that they're willing to sacrifice market share to make that happen.
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The XBOne would just be an underpowered next gen gaming console without it.

Kinect was THE primary selling function at the Xbox One's world wide coming out party.

MS has very high aspirations with Kinect...Unfortunately gaming isn't part of them.
 
CassiusLonginus said:
To clarify, from what I understand, the X1 will be able to control (certain) DVR's, but what I was referring to was that it won't be able to add DVR functionality if the cable box doesn't have it.
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Has MS actually made any mention of the X1 controlling DVRs?

It's a function I am keen to know more about

I know there is an IR transmitter/blaster built into the X1 to control the cable boxes but I have yet to see a statement from MS that suggests it can do anything more complicated than change channels

Would love to be wrong though
 
DC1 said:
The XBOne would just be an underpowered next gen gaming console without it.

Kinect was THE primary selling function at the Xbox One's world wide coming out party.

MS has very high aspirations with Kinect...Unfortunately gaming isn't part of them.
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Games are looking good enough though. The hire price point will hurt them in the future. It's hard to advertise Kinect without being able to show it. Fantasia is a marketing nightmare though it looks cool.
 
MercuryLS said:
It's like Sony last gen with blu ray. When other entities start to push their agenda on the gaming teams at their company, shit like that happens (movie division at Sony and the advertising division at ms).
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Sony arguably suceeded in pushing Blu ray With PS3 though . but sadly digital media is on the rise putting a downer on it .
 
Socky said:
I'd be surprised if the Xbone is very far behind the PS4 in the US this year, mostly because the 360 brand seems so powrful in the US, but then the Xbone isn't the 360
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The PS2 had a lot of power in the US. Generation changes can make kings peasants and vice versa. With zero BC this gen it's a lot easier. All MS can hope is that people really cherish there gamerscore and that Halo still has an audience.
 
DC1 said:
The XBOne would just be an underpowered next gen gaming console without it.

Kinect was THE primary selling function at the Xbox One's world wide coming out party.

MS has very high aspirations with Kinect...Unfortunately gaming isn't part of them.
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This reasoning continues to get undercut by MS themselves though when it's revealed that navigation can be accomplished using the controller just fine and that games will be playable with all kinect features turned off. Then it comes back to "so why is this required then if you're going to provide Kinect features in the same optional way as it was for Kinect 1?"
 
CassiusLonginus said:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-tv/
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That article suggests MS might someday add DVR functions to the Xbox itself

I find that incredibly unlikely considering the backlash they would likely get from the cable industry but regardless I think this article covers it better. Looked for it after the last comment

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-live-tv-microsoft-history-what-to-expect/

One is not a DVR, and I don't expect it to integrate tightly with third-party DVRs. Sure, it'll control any provider's set-top box, but this is about live TV.
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That being said same article states that the majority of tv is still watched live and that DVR pales in comparison so what do I know?

Still think DVR functionality is a major sticking point for the X1's TV features to become that widely used

BigDug13 said:
This reasoning continues to get undercut by MS themselves though when it's revealed that navigation can be accomplished using the controller just fine and that games will be playable with all kinect features turned off. Then it comes back to "so why is this required then if you're going to provide Kinect features in the same optional way as it was for Kinect 1?"
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I know to some it might sound tinfoil hat conspiracy but the advertising and marketing data potential the kinect and TV aspect has is massive

To be able to tell what demographic exactly is or isn't watching something, is or isn't paying attention to that something and so on is huge

I truly believe mandatory kinect is for advertising and marketing purposes first and foremost
 
SwiftDeath said:
That article suggests MS might someday add DVR functions to the Xbox itself

I find that incredibly unlikely considering the backlash they would likely get from the cable industry but regardless I think this article covers it better. Looked for it after the last comment

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-live-tv-microsoft-history-what-to-expect/



That being said same article states that the majority of tv is still watched live and that DVR pales in comparison so what do I know?
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Well it doesn't really 'suggest' it might add it to the future, it more like 'wishes' hahaha. It does a decent job of pointing out the numerous hurdles they'd have to jump to achieve that... and that is only for the US!
 
Thorgal said:
Sony arguably suceeded in pushing Blu ray With PS3 though . but sadly digital media is on the rise putting a downer on it .
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keep in mind blu ray didn't actually have a negative impact on the games. the ps3 was more expensive than it should have been, but that was it. BC hardware and the expensive cell processor were just as much to blame.

the xbone's TV functions are eating up a minimum of 3 gigs of ram out of the 8 total for the system. this is kind of an issue when the ps4 needs 1 gig or less, freeing up 2 more gigs of ram for games.
 
They keep painting this picture like nobody will buy a X1.

A good chunk of that 77 million does not like Playstation.

Should be interesting though.
 
CassiusLonginus said:
Well it doesn't really 'suggest' it might add it to the future, it more like 'wishes' hahaha. It does a decent job of pointing out the numerous hurdles they'd have to jump to achieve that... and that is only for the US!
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haha yeah that's what I mean I guess

The X1 actually has some really cool potential for a multimedia device, I just am hesitant to believe it will work as advertised and even more hesitant to believe that it will work like people want it to work like

If an X1 can integrate with an cable companys box/DVR correctly and give me all the same functionality as the cable box but within the X1 that would be a game changer imo

BUT there are so many other failed examples of this sort of idea like google tv

The cable industry is incentivized to kill new incomers to the market to hold onto their own market-share and self-worth

I have doubts the X1 will deliver on the TV aspect like MS want it to

Especially as you mentioned outside the US
 
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