Yup can prob wrap it up at a little over 30 million. Channel won't accept any more units especially outside US so stuffing is out.
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PS5 is outselling Xbox Series Consoles at a rate of about 4 to 1 the last 15 months
Hrk69
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RetroGamingUK
Member
It’s quite funny how Xbox sells so well at the start of a generation (same thing happened with Xbox One) but then sales dwindle and PlayStation just leaves it in the dust.
I think a lot of this comes down to Xbox appealing more to hardcore gamers who buy consoles at launch, where as PlayStation appeals to that huge mainstream.
All I can say is…
Seriously, the PlayStation brand has an appeal that Xbox can’t get near to. They have that cool image like Apple or Pepsi.
The neckbeards don’t understand this
I think a lot of this comes down to Xbox appealing more to hardcore gamers who buy consoles at launch, where as PlayStation appeals to that huge mainstream.
All I can say is…
Seriously, the PlayStation brand has an appeal that Xbox can’t get near to. They have that cool image like Apple or Pepsi.
The neckbeards don’t understand this
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Kvally
Member
This is true. But PS5 sales have started to dramatically drop as well. So it's gonna be a nice injection to have the PS5 Pro out this fall.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Define dramatically.
clarky
Gold Member
I think you are overestimating how many people will be willing to pay double the price for not even a half step in power with no compelling software to boot.
Keep telling yourself that Dorothy.
Its got 2 years to do the bulk of its sales before the 6 is on the horizon. 20 million aint happening.
XXL
Member
This is the crazy part as well.
Playstations internal studios haven't even really gotten going yet
....but I think that's about to change.
Also more and more of Xbox's games are going to be coming to PS5 and PS5 Pro....
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Sooner
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Except cross-platform games look and run better on PS5 than Series X more often than not. That's when developers bother putting out an Xbox version at all.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Sony just released a GOTY contender last week! Oh.. you mean Xbox?
RetroGamingUK
Member
This is the crazy part as well.
Playstations internal studios haven't even really gotten going yet
....but I think that's about to change.
Also more and more of Xbox's games are going to be coming to PS5 and PS5 Pro....
Sony, at least after the PS2, always seem to hit their stride during the second half of the generation.
Codeblew
Member
That is why you preorder from Sony next week. They require a PSN account to order. They will probably limit it also.
jm89
Member
Never underestimate the effort the scalpers will go through. They probably have dozens of PSN accounts and credit cards ready to go. Probably working together to get around the address limits.
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kaizenkko
Member
Sony can't even make price cuts to the regular PS5, so I don't see that happening any soon for Pro.
But one point in Pro's favor is: I can see this gen getting games until 2030~2032 easily. So if someone decide to get a Pro in two or three years, still will have a lot to enjoy.
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Kvally
Member
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The speaker was quite a showman, first crouching behind the lectern, then rising up dramatically to demonstrate the rapid progress of some nations. - in a way that is typical of a play in form or structure:
The film is dramatically structured—not in its narrative form, but in the way it focuses on the faces, bodies, and voices of specific performers. - in a striking way; with a striking effect or to a striking degree:
During Hurricane Sandy, mobile internet usage spiked dramatically as people went online to get answers.
Her dark hat and scarf dramatically set off her pale and delicate features.
XXL
Member
The PS5 Pro is going to 100% have the best console versions of Xbox games as well and will be better than 90% of PCs running their games.
For example....Indiana Jones should be 4K 60fps on PS5 Pro.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
SweetTooth
Gold Member
It’s quite funny how Xbox sells so well at the start of a generation (same thing happened with Xbox One) but then sales dwindle and PlayStation just leaves it in the dust.
I think a lot of this comes down to Xbox appealing to more to hardcore gamers who buy consoles at launch, where as PlayStation appeals to that huge mainstream.
All I can say is…
Seriously, the PlayStation brand has an appeal that Xbox can’t get near to. They have that cool image like Apple or Pepsi.
The neckbeards don’t understand this
People forget that PS5 was so supply constrained for 1 and half year. That helped Xbox get some lost sales from Sony
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XXL
Member
This is why I said lifetimes sales of the PS5 Pro, it's not unreachable at all.
Kvally
Member
I was just talking about how the sales have declined, haven't met Sony's forecasts and now Mat says Sony and MS can't continue like this.
"Sony and Microsoft can't allow these declines to continue at these rates until 2027 or 2028 (or whenever the next devices and/or services arrive)"- Mat Piscatella, Circana
Codeblew
Member
Maybe. If they were smart, they would prioritize on recent account activity and/or $$ spent. It's in their best interest to get them in the hands of their core active playerbase.
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Heisenberg007
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So much for "consoles are dying" and "should just build a PC" lol.
XXL
Member
Most of this year's solid GOTY contenders are not on Xbox.
Astro Bot
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
Helldivers 2
Wu Kong
This matters.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Yeah, burying Sega was big accomplishment too.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony doesn't seem too concerned if they're dropping a $700 box. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve.
XXL
Member
I think between 15-20M is doable, depending on a plethora of factors.
I would land on 17.5M ultimately.
Kvally
Member
They don't need to be concerned. Even with sales dipping, they still have done great. And I am guessing many of us here will be buying a PS5 Pro as well.
DrDryRub
Neo Member
The series X is such a great console and gamepass has been wonderful for me and everyone I know. The UI is down right terrible, the pS5 has a better overall UI. The controller which was once great feels like it's made out of fisher price plastic but i still prefer it to the dual sense.
Overall both consoles have been disappointing this gen.
Overall both consoles have been disappointing this gen.
SweetTooth
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mayham2199
Member
We do get an idea of their mindset from the FTC trial. They were very confident.
Kacho
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ah, Mat just shoehorning Sony into the conversation of the dire situation Xbox is in.
Because one decline rate is by far metric tons worse than the other.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Kvally
Member
Yesterday or day before yesterday.
rm082e
Member
This. And what's even more concerning is the leak from MLID early this year that MS had just signed a contract with AMD to develop their next console. Sony mentioned during the ABK trial they were looking to put out the PS6 in '27 or '28, but they started working on it late in 2022. If MS didn't start working on their next box until more recently, are they really expecting to get it out much sooner (like '26 or even next holiday)? That would be...odd.
SEGAvangelist
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SEGA lives.
Topher
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SweetTooth
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In Furry conventions only
ShaiKhulud1989
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Both Series S/X are beautifully designed machines with distinct Braun design and very efficient cooling solutions. While I sold my SX two years ago, I still think that it was a good machine. The controller is outdated, yes, but it’s far from bad.
Just like it was with many failed systems, it’s a great hardware underwhelmed by the mismanagement and weak first party output.
MisterXDTV
Member
Even if they put out a new console in 2026, what's the point?
They are not selling it anyway
People will get the PS5 Pro or wait for PS6
DeepEnigma
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Kvally
Member
Have to completely disagree. Series X is an awesome console, and I have played some great games on it. I can't say exclusive, because they are all on PC.
nordique
Member
Yet MS blames everyone but their own strategy / people at the top in charge of the system
Sony has barely done anything this gen relative to last and they still destroying the competition lol
(I enjoy my Series X though but MS shot themselves in both feet this gen)
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kaizenkko
Member
I don't understand why people think that Microsoft will actualy launch another console. Their current system is falling is sales, their are launching games on their main competitor and marketing cloud streaming devices over consoles. It's Microsoft, make nonsense decisions is their expertise, but I can't see any signs of them making another console.
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DeepEnigma
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Kacho
Gold Member
Papa Phil and Mama Sarah promised.
"Hardware is still important to our business."
"The most powerful console ever made."
They would never lie