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PS5 Pro Specs Leak are Real, Releasing Holiday 2024(Insider Gaming)
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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THE ONE PIECE IS REAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
*Can we get much higher!?*
*Can we get much higher!?*
Increasingly there's no point in sticking with modern gaming if you're not going to spend the extra on a PC, go big or go home.
paolo11
Member
Ok but can it run ff16 quality mode 60fps?I mean, just being able to play FF16 at a non blur-o-vision res at 60fps, Alan Wake 2 at a proper res without the fooked up FSR shit-a-thon of an image quality, Robocop also at a proper res and framerate, Helldivers 2 at above 1080p and Dragon's dogma 2 at a non 31 cinematic® fps could be considered a win brother.
Then, you also have Death stranding 2 and GTA6 coming so...
Cheers
Bojji
Gold Member
RTX 4070.
I doubt it will run them in 60fps in quality modes unless developers patch them and add this fancy new upscaling.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
RTX 3070.
No. 45% more performance means you get 15 more fps. you needed 100% more performance to get to 60 fps.
neither game has RT so neither will get those ray traced IPC gains.
their 60 fps modes will be slightly better looking if the upscaling solution is good, but ff16 already drops to 720p so an extra 45% means you get to 900p. decent but not a significant jump.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
4070 is a 3080. This is a 3070 at best.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
In rasterization? Assuming the 45% performance increase figure is true, that would put it on the level of an RX 6800. Not really an NVIDIA card on that level. The closest is the 3070 Ti which is still a bit slower.
RT is the really tricky part because it says a 2-3x increase and even up to 4x. In raw RT performance, this could put it anywhere from a 2080 Ti to a 4070.
Only in RT and that's if we go with the high-end figure. The RTX 4070 is still around 70% faster than the regular PS5 in rasterization. If those 3-4x RT figures pan out, then yes, it could trade blows with the 4070 or perhaps even beat it in path tracing but most games are hybrid workloads so the rasterization advantage of the 4070 will cancel out and overcome whatever RT advantage the PS5 Pro may have.
More like 3070 Ti in general. And still a bit faster. RX 6800 but NVIDIA doesn't have an exact match.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I’ll be putting my money into a 4080ti laptop later in the year, rather than this. Sony have lost me with the push to let go of exclusivity.
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Ashamam
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I suspect basically pick a resolution midway between current quality and performance and that will be 60fps on the Pro. But with a better upscaling solution that further improves the final output IQ. But will require a dedicated Pro mode, so in some cases you will just get exactly the same performance mode as before but running at a locked 60.
Little Chicken
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PSSR 
Wth did they add gi/bounce lighting in that demo? The bounce lighting looks of a significantly higher quality than the released game outside reflections.
Coloress_Kafka
Member
“I’m really digging this upscaling but why does everything have a yellowish tint to it.”PSSR
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
thats assuming the specs translate to performance which they are not. If the 45% figure is true then it is not performing like a 16 tflops 6800 and more like a 14.5 tflops PS5.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It does mention a 45% performance improvement. It says, "rendering 45% faster than the PS5". The compute is around 62% higher for a 45% increase in rasterization.
A 3070 would be a straight-up embarrassment lol.
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paolo11
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If they patch the final fantasy games for ps5 pro, is it possible at least 60fps 1440p?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
With those specs? Not a chance. You could get a really nice image with the upscaling tech though so the final output ultimately doesn't matter if the result is great.
a multicultural team of v
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PS3 support confirmed“I’m really digging this upscaling but why does everything have a yellowish tint to it.”
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This thing will destroy. Especially with all the games already being damn near superior on PS5. I will be buying 100%.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Compute between a 10.7 tflops 6600xt and 16.1 tflops 6800 is 51% and that translates to 54% in performance.
So if this 62% increase in compute is translating into just 45% more performance than there is something off and we can no longer take 6800 as the PS5 equivalent in raster.
Either the lack of a CPU upgrade is holding them back or Cerny was right all along and increasing CUs without infinity cache is simply not going to give you a 1:1 performance uplift.
Quantum253
Gold Member
I have a feeling Digital Foundry will be taking this info and comparing to equivalent cards, so I'm interested in what they have to say about it.
Edit: with PSSR and ML algorithms, a one to one comparison would be hard since bo one has seen how the two will improve image quality and performance together.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
FF7 yes. its already close to 1440p with drops to 1080p.
FF16, no. it is 720p and you are not getting 3x more pixels with just 1.45x more gpu performance.
Audiophile
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Naturally all the "Leak Bros" on X/YouTube are running with the high floppage.
77TF - FP16 Half-Precision
33.5TF - FP32 Single Precision Dual-Issue
16.75TF - FP32 Single Precision << The traditional unit of measurement and what we need to compare it to PS5's 10.28TF.
~1TF - FP64 Double Precision
So that's a 63% jump in TF.
The 45% faster "render" which was original referred to as "raster" seems to be a bit of a miscommunication. I'm guessing this is in regards to the GPU frontend jumping from 64ROPS to 96ROPS minus a small clock reduction.
Back to the flops... That's a 63% jump in raw compute, then you can add the isolated architectural gains of RDNA3 (and some RDNA4) for an idea of real-world perf (on console you might see ~20-30%). As for dual-issue, it's hard to say for sure, but if on average, ~10% of workloads can be ran this way then that's an extra 10% of additional perf. Probably looking at ~20TF equivalent or 2X.
Then if the RT acceleration capabilities are 2x as good, then that's 4x the RT performance in ideal circumstances.
Still surprised by the 2180MHz number, I'd have thought they'd just stuck with 2233 at least, the extra 53MHz is unlikely to break the bank. I can only assume this is in Pro only mode and that in base mode it runs at 2233 with 24CUs shut off.
Or, these leaks are only reporting the low end of the Pro's Continuous Boost scheme, just as the low end of the same was reported for PS5.
77TF - FP16 Half-Precision
33.5TF - FP32 Single Precision Dual-Issue
16.75TF - FP32 Single Precision << The traditional unit of measurement and what we need to compare it to PS5's 10.28TF.
~1TF - FP64 Double Precision
So that's a 63% jump in TF.
The 45% faster "render" which was original referred to as "raster" seems to be a bit of a miscommunication. I'm guessing this is in regards to the GPU frontend jumping from 64ROPS to 96ROPS minus a small clock reduction.
Back to the flops... That's a 63% jump in raw compute, then you can add the isolated architectural gains of RDNA3 (and some RDNA4) for an idea of real-world perf (on console you might see ~20-30%). As for dual-issue, it's hard to say for sure, but if on average, ~10% of workloads can be ran this way then that's an extra 10% of additional perf. Probably looking at ~20TF equivalent or 2X.
Then if the RT acceleration capabilities are 2x as good, then that's 4x the RT performance in ideal circumstances.
Still surprised by the 2180MHz number, I'd have thought they'd just stuck with 2233 at least, the extra 53MHz is unlikely to break the bank. I can only assume this is in Pro only mode and that in base mode it runs at 2233 with 24CUs shut off.
Or, these leaks are only reporting the low end of the Pro's Continuous Boost scheme, just as the low end of the same was reported for PS5.
NeonDelta
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And people seem to think PlayStations are only used for exclusives. Not everyone has a PC with. 4080 or 4090 etc.
Loxus
Member
If we're going with Tom Henderson.
The CPU is still a mystery, if not he would of listed Zen2 here.
I'll wait until he list the CPU specs before jumping to conclusions.
SolidQ
Gold Member
it's says UNOPTIMIZED. it can be 60%-65% with optimized code for PS5 pro and don't forget RDNA 3.5 i'ts fixed RDNA3
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Where does it say unoptimized? I haven't seen it.
Quantum253
Gold Member
I've shared this before, but if PSSR/AI components can do a fraction of this with little compute cycles, you'll have amazing looking games on hardware it shouldn't be able to produce.
REDRZA MWS
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What will this do for MLB the Show 25?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The specs are pretty much exactly what you'd expect when the brief had to be to spec out a design to run current PS5 games "better" for not too much more in cost.
The reality is there's little point in being too ambitious when in the end you still have to get publishers and developers to take on an extra SKU midway through a generation.
The reality is there's little point in being too ambitious when in the end you still have to get publishers and developers to take on an extra SKU midway through a generation.
solidus12
Member
What will this do for MLB the Show 25?
Quantum253
Gold Member
Last of Us X MLB the Show.
SolidQ
Gold Member
it's was here
Also here is comparision RDNA 2 60CU(128mb Inifnity) Clocks ~similar to PS5pro/16GB memory speed vs RDNA3 60CU(64mb Inifnity) 2.5-2.6clock, 19,5gb memory. PS5pro have 18gb
Don't forget old picture
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paolo11
Member
Oh I see. The 3060 can run remake pc 60fps constant on 1440p. I kinda thought ps5 pro can do it
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This was always going to happen as soon as AMD started fudging their numbers. The fanboys were given ammo and they will spread shit as much as they can.
What 2180 mhz number? Where was this reported?
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
It's a good thing they have their own version of DLSS because the RTX 4070 I currently have NEEDS it.
I still need to pick up a PS5PRO as I sold my launch PS5 a few months ago, need something to continue the old Sony library. But I think I'll most likely buy new Sony 1st party on my PC from now on.
Hrk69
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paolo11
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I’m down with that if trilogy can do 1440p or higher 60fps. I am so down
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Remake, yeah. Not XVI.
Loxus
Member
Here:
He just worked backwards to get the GPU clocks using 60CUs.
33,500,000 ÷ 2 ÷ 60 CUs ÷ 64 ÷ 2 = 2180.
Bojji
Gold Member
I fucked up, I thought this will be faster but it's slower than 7700XT.
Pro - 33.5 RDNA3 TF
7700XT
5% slower would put it between 3070 and 3070ti, not great...
Kokoloko85
Member
Day 1 whatever the specs are
Audiophile
Member
I wonder if we get a universal upscaling solution that we can toggle on at our own risk for non-upgraded games (incl. PS4 titles).
Driveclub could finally get a boost!
Driveclub could finally get a boost!
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I fucked up, I thought this will be faster but it's slower than 7700XT.
Pro - 33.5 RDNA3 TF
7700XT
5% slower would put it between 3070 and 3070ti, not great...
Completely ignoring the large improvements to architecture for RT and ML/AI SS….and closed box nature will punch above its paper weight compared to PC specs
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I swear it's like some ignore specs and how these devs maximize these consoles. This is a sizeable jump. Don't let anyone make you think it's not.
