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PS5 Pro Specs Leak are Real, Releasing Holiday 2024(Insider Gaming)
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Going to be interesting how they advertise this, show games in 8K and disappoint the 4K owners when the games drop, show off both resolutions, or show only 4K to avoid negative feedback from those without 8K sets.
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Gamerguy84
Member
45% faster, RT 2 - 4 times faster, PS spectral super resolution, console optimization, sign me up day 1.
This thing will be a beast, and properly run UE5.
This thing will be a beast, and properly run UE5.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Why are you comparing console parts to
much more expensive PCs?
No shit AMD was not as strong as NVIDIA RT. Those parts were far too expensive for consoles. What does that have to do with PS5 Pros better RT offerings today?
Do whatever you want on PC. Nobody cares, the PS5 Pro has nothing to do with PC gaming.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I look forward to the DF comparisons.
People who care about performance will look to the DF videos. I doubt Sony will do much advertising for a console that could sell less than 15 million units.
Because that's where the features the PS5 Pro has first existed, when it launches, 6 years ago...
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
lol. That guy really ruffles some people's feathers. C'mon folks, he's not that bad. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's not.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Its a great comparison, and it will be even greater when DF compares the PSSSR to DLSS and the PS5 Pro GPU to GPUs up to 4 years old.
Melchiah
Member
PS4 Pro offered pristine supersampled image quality on 1080p displays, on top of better performance.
PS5 Pro will likely offer the same on 4k displays.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I agree with you, but really you can go back to 360 for the blueprint on how most games play today.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
4 years ago and not much has changed. Comparing $500-600 consoles to $2000 PC parts is just stupid and that’s what you’re doing
You’re not the target market. This isn’t intended to be a $3000 console
It’s intended to run PS5 games at quality settings and 60 fps, with better RT and IQ at an affordable price
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Salman Khan is Phil Spencer in this case.
Dances around, seemingly well-loved by the public, but in the end, gets nothing
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
That leonidas is not interested in pro or console gaming at all, hes a PCMR, just take a look at his post history.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I have a PS5 and I will likely end up getting a PS5 Pro at some point too.
I just won't buy any PS5 software for it, I wait for those to come to PC. I use my PS5 for backwards compatibility and am hoping that PS5 Pro enhances my BC games in some way...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yeah, which is perhaps not ideal depending on what they have done for RDNA3 and RDNA4 (this is a custom design with features from both) to less the impact of lots of DCUs per Shader Array.
Still, there is a chance of more HW changes to ensure higher efficiency and we still have quite high clock speed (much higher than XSX’s GPU as far as GPU clock speeds go, we will see the final clock speed the retail model settles at), so it is not a complete design reversal.
fallingdove
Member
What does “next gen” feel like. I think we are chasing our own shadows at this point.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
My PS5 and Xbox Series X are right behind my monitor, not far from my gaming PC...
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I still think that the CPU clock speed is being undersold. The Zen 2 CPU is not a crippled unit and clock speed bump might be decent for all we know to sort out many of the real CPU stalls console games may have experienced.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Pushing the clocks 30% would solve a lot of bottlenecks and reduce the frame time variance a lot.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I personally look for more 40 FPS modes at high resolution with seriously pumped up graphics, but 60 FPS versions with better than old Quality presets might be nice.
CPU clock speed boost is still welcomed as 60 FPS performance modes often reduce LOD and crowd / cars / pedestrians density compared to quality modes so sorting that out would hit the CPU more heavily.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It will improve fidelity. Quality mode gets more fidelity. Performance mode gets more fidelity.
Both modes get better results with less resolution thanks to AI up scaling
Should be great for everyone, quality mode closer to true native 4k, and perf mode looking like ps5’s quality mode
tusharngf
Member
i am keeping my expectations low. I got burned by ps pro last gen.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
45% is probably effective raster performance improvements estimate, but not sure what they are counting there.
There is potential on a console for RDNA3 introduced dual issue to be much more effective (this is a GPU with RDNA4 features too, so there may be HW improvements making the shader compiler’s life at dual issuing easier that are either part of RDNA4 and/or small changes in the semi-custom design AMD developed with Sony for PS5 Pro; also this is a console so the shader compiler is custom made for the specific hardware and there is more chance developers may also hand optimise more code… so it is a mix of all these factors). I do not expect effective dual issue usage to be like 99%, but it might very well be much much higher than the 0% people are essentially expecting).
tusharngf
Member
given the economic conditions I doubt any price reduction is possible. PRO may well go for 650-700 bucks keeping ps5 at 500-400(digital) dollar mark.
Hydroxy
Member
No
That's impossible. It will never go above $500 because it wouldn't sell. Maybe next gen with PS6 Sony can charge $600 due to inflation but not now. Ps5 owners wouldn't upgrade to Pro and new potential buyers wouldn't pay more than $500
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I play on too big screen and it’s apparent.
Not too bad honestly in 60hz mode. But just could be better
Knightime_X
Member
Cool. This means from now on I'm going to skip ps6 and just wait it out for ps6 pro.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
On one hand, well, we discussed that brute force HW progress based on traditional Moore’s Law progress (manufacturing process improvements leading to denser chips with more and more logic) was slowing down more and more with each console generation
. Especially in a Pro design.On the other hand I think we are undervaluing what actually changed architecturally in a console environment and we do not have some details like final clock speed for CPU and GPU.
twilo99
Gold Member
You got a list?
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
This lines up nicely with previous whisperings.
The raster improvement sounds moderate but it’s the rt perf that is more interesting to me. With a few exceptions, rt tanks frame rate and resolution drastically when active. If ’Trinity’ is less impacted by its addition then that will be significant in the second half of this generation. Especially in titles pushing the highest fidelity. If Sonys new upscaling technique can be integrated into titles easily then it would be a huge advantage and place Microsoft in a difficult position to compete. I’d love to see the full ‘Trinity’ rt + upscale implementation in CyberPunk as it would be fun to see comparisons to the existing rt implementations.
The raster improvement sounds moderate but it’s the rt perf that is more interesting to me. With a few exceptions, rt tanks frame rate and resolution drastically when active. If ’Trinity’ is less impacted by its addition then that will be significant in the second half of this generation. Especially in titles pushing the highest fidelity. If Sonys new upscaling technique can be integrated into titles easily then it would be a huge advantage and place Microsoft in a difficult position to compete. I’d love to see the full ‘Trinity’ rt + upscale implementation in CyberPunk as it would be fun to see comparisons to the existing rt implementations.
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Johnny Concrete
Member
Last gen I sold my ps4 a month before the pro release and had the pro upgrade for €150 basically.
If I can do that for €200 this time around I might bite again.
If I can do that for €200 this time around I might bite again.
midnightAI
Member
Oh good, people using Teraflops for GPU comparisons again
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I meant in terms of the game trailers. Once PS4 Pro arrived they showed that version of the game.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Yeah... that's the thing. But, this console seems like it will be this super efficient Beast, when it drops. For those of Us, that invested in PC gaming and decided not to look back, I don't see this as an L. We're eating with PS console users.
Lucifers Beard
Member
It wouldn't sell? People pay £1500 for graphics cards. Of course it will sell.
Caio
Member
GTA6 ?
Caio
Member
You will not see a PS6 before Nov 2027-2028. Furthermore, once PS6 will be available, there will be so many crossgen games for other 2-3 years, so, again, a PS5 PRO is very welcome as the base model can only handle fidelity at 30fps with average ray tracing.
People who will buy a PS5 PRO in Nov 2024, will enjoy it for many years, at least until 2030. Not enough ?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Not a console, it would not sell in good numbers and it would generate awful publicity. Let alone make selling PS6 a mess. No, thanks
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Hydroxy
Member
People who buy $1500 graphics cards and people who buy consoles are not the same market. A lot of console buyers are parents buying for their kids and they won't be spending more than $500.
