Fake
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Maybe at the operation system level?
Can't say for sure. Adding some kinda of layer into the APK.
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PS5 Pro will "eventually" have AI upscaling across the whole game library without any patch, VR included, according to CNET
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Maybe at the operation system level?
Can't say for sure. Adding some kinda of layer into the APK.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wont matter. the OS will still only have access to the FSR or TSR generated image. Whatever they plug into that will still have those shitty artifacts and low internal resolution.
I think the cnet guy is simply wrong.
semiconscious
Member
i play older games all the time (hell, if you don't, nowadays, what else is there to play?) i can see wanting it. but i'm simply not seeing the benefit being worth the price, is all. are the games particularly awful/unplayable as they are? not really. if they wanna offer free upgrades? i'm good with that. i just don't see it being worth paying for...
ps: i've got a 15+ yr old 1080p sony bravia that i play on. so, yeah, ymmv...
saintjules
Gold Member
There's no point in trying to rationalize with these guys lol.
Tarnpanzer
Member
A spatial upscaler like DLSS1 or FSR1 is not "a very cool feature". It is rather embarrassing in 2024.
Rudius
Member
In the Cerny video the comparison between The Last of Us 2 quality mode on PS5 vs PS5 Pro seems better on the Pro. Watch it carefully in a large screen. That's native 4K at 30fps vs AI upscaled 4K at 60.
Tarnpanzer
Member
Lets wait for DFs assessment. The quality on youtube is rather poor, even in 4K.
But as I said, if PSSR is just working like a spacial upscaler you can compare the results to FSR1 or DLSS1, i.e. not worth mentioning image quality wise.
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Rudius
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Well, it's poor for both, and in 4K the Pro one looks better in that video, specially the grass.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
He's having a Q&A in 30 minutes on Twitter.
My understanding has been that the PSSR will indeed be available to legacy games (ie. older SDKs - contrary to what that dev said).
But that would also still require patching to add support for it (contrary to what the CNet author claimed).
ByWatterson
Member
Maybe this can save the MGS collection, lol
Rudius
Member
I hope someone ask him about the future system wide AI upscaling. I don't have an account.
Wolves hunt in packs
Member
So PSSR has nothing to do with fps? meaning if a game is locked at 30fps there's nothing it can change.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
kevboard
Member
the only way this can work at an acceptable quality is if they do the same Microsoft does with their new AI upscaler on PC... this entails rendering 2 images and looking at what changed between them, in order to compensate for the fact that the scaler has no access to motion vectors or any render buffer.
an implementation like this will by default increase the input latency. so this hopefully is an opt-in setting
an implementation like this will by default increase the input latency. so this hopefully is an opt-in setting
Rudius
Member
An AI-assisted upscaling mode, called PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution, works across the whole game library without any needed patch, adding in details to upscale to 4K. I didn't see this demonstrated, but the feature should help enhance older games if you have a 4K TV. It'll also work on PSVR 2 games in the future, too, Cerny said.
VR and the future of peripherals like Portal
As CNET's resident VR expert, I'm curious what the PS5 Pro can do for the PlayStation VR 2, although Sony's support for the headset has been underwhelming lately. Cerny said the Pro will allow higher-resolution games on the PSVR 2 thanks to the GPU boost and eventually a tuning of Sony's AI upscaling that will work with all VR games. But no specific PSVR 2 upgraded games have been announced yet, and I wonder what those improvements would even feel like. (I mentioned to Cerny and Nishino that I'd still love to see original PSVR games like Astro Bot Rescue Mission, which are incompatible with PSVR 2, to get ports that still haven't happened yet. I didn't get a response to that comment.)
What I Learned Playing Sony's PS5 Pro
Exclusive: I checked out the new console upgrade, coming Nov. 5 for $700, and played a bunch of games. Here's who might appreciate the new graphics boosts the most.www.cnet.com
Edit: it's over! He made a mistake.
Wooxsvan
Member
ok ya figured. made no sense otherwise if this was like DLSS
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Rudius
Member
No, only if they update the game.
JimboJones
Member
Maybe they will have a more generalised version, something like autosr for games that lack motion vectors?
Physiognomonics
Member
For us gamers what difference does it make that those wouldn't need a SDK update? A patch is still a patch, no?
alucard0712_rus
Banned
It's actually a good news. Means it's not spacial-only uscaler.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly!
Not to a developer - this would potentially significantly increase the number of titles that we could see support PSSR.
In practical terms - think of say - Bloodborne or Arkham Knight getting PSSR support (just to 'randomly' pick some of the worst IQ offenders from PS4 era, that also never got remadestered or Pro-ified).
So yes - if it works as I interpret it - it will matter to gamers.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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This is the one thibg that would've made the Pro worth it but OF COURSE he misspoke! Did you really think Sony (or any of these walled garden console makers) would do something so pro-gamer (and something desperately needed on consoles-something PC can and has been doing for ages)??
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
True, i think that will be the norm next gen.
I think Ai in generally will be a big deal next gen as I think all the big players are working it into their next systems some how
Angry_Megalodon
Member
This is some serious bullshit. They aren't remastering any game for free. Of course, it's all thanks to AI, the magic buzzword to sell this.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
how do you know the 10 percent list is finalized?
.....thats the point of AI upscaling. did you just compare upscaling with remaster? There is no buzzword here, thats how AI upscaling supposed to work, its not a remaster....
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IntentionalPun
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My understanding is these techs rely on being passed geometry data in the format they are looking for. All gamesall pretty much HAVE the data but aren't sending it through an underlying OS APIs in a way where it can have something like PSSR supplied. Implementing DLSS for instance just requires you taking how you represent geometry in your engine and passing it through the nVidia driver API's in their format.
It automatically working for VR suggests that PSVR2 games are in fact passing geometry like that through the same API in the Playstation stack. Which makes sense for VR.
They can do that for every game out there for most of PSSR's features without those games patching in PSSR support.
It automatically working for VR suggests that PSVR2 games are in fact passing geometry like that through the same API in the Playstation stack. Which makes sense for VR.
They can do that for every game out there for most of PSSR's features without those games patching in PSSR support.
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