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Puzzle & Dragons |OT| Pokemon + Bejeweled + Dungeon RPG on iOS/Android

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totowhoa

Banned
Woohoo! The fire Tuesday dungeon had the last evo material I needed (Keeper of Flame) to evolve my Tyrannos into the 5* Firedragon Tyrannos! Yeah! If you picked the fire-type starter and you're at the Castle of Satan dungeon (I just completed it and was able to beat the dungeon pretty easily), be sure to hit up that Tuesday dungeon for that evo material while it's up.

I also just pulled a level 30 5* Thanatos (or Thatanos?) from the machine. Was able to max him out at level 35 immediately with some metal dragons. Looks like it's going to be a while before I can evolve him, though.
 

nicoga3000

Saint Nic
Ugh I can't find any dragon evo mats. Those stupid green seedling things (not the basic ones, the step up). Any reliable dungeon to grab some?
 

xCobalt

Member
Ugh I can't find any dragon evo mats. Those stupid green seedling things (not the basic ones, the step up). Any reliable dungeon to grab some?

I do tower of giants - dragons of the tower. Very high exp per stamina ratio and a chance of getting dragon plants every once in awhile.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Got to Castle of Satan and the couple of monsters that serves as the first boss one hits me, so I've been grinding like a motherfucker. Not directly making my current team stronger, but getting sidetracked to advance some evolving plans and freeing my monster box of evo materials I've been keeping for this purpose, which in turn will get me more capable creatures. Really want to unlock the Technical Dungeons already...

Slow and steady, Lil' Black Dragon is now a Devil Dragon and I'm close to being able to evolve Plesios into Icedragon Plesios. Thankfully it was easy enough nabbing the necessary Keeper today with the help of a friend healer. My Cupid is also almost ready to become an Angel. Sad that it will take a longass time and many levels until she can go Archangel, but I already have a Keeper of Light ready for her. Unless I use it on something else before then.
 

xelios

Universal Access can be found under System Preferences
Had a good time with the Tuesday dungeon, got a couple keepers of each color and a Light and Dark Keeper appeared once as well. Didn't even take a healer leader, just ADK + ADK with Echidna the Red Empress on my team and every run was cake.
 

J0dy77

Member
Man this game is like crack, can't put it down.

I've gotten pretty lucky on my two accounts, can help Gaffers out:

ID 394,430,293 - Vipor Orochi and Mermaid (can switch to whatever GAF would prefer)

ID 391,130,292 - Cers (lvl 30) for anyone that needs a healer.
 

KuroNeeko

Member
Reading earlier posts, I think you guys who want to buy the game at a flat fee and do away without the IAP are missing part of what makes PaD such a good game. You're forced to make due with what you have and then work at raising them. If you could pay to have everything accessible from the beginning - the game would be too easy and I think it would lose a lot of its appeal. I think the game in its current form is amazing. The option is there for people who want to spend cash for rare drops / box space, but you can complete everything the game has to offer without spending a single cent! That's amazing! Would I like to see a Pokemon-like spin-off in the future - sure! Still, this is one of, if not THE, gamer-friendliest "social" game I've ever seen.

Ugh I can't find any dragon evo mats. Those stupid green seedling things (not the basic ones, the step up). Any reliable dungeon to grab some?

Checking the Japanese wiki, you can get Dragon Plants from these locations:

Tower of Titans
Thursday Daily Dungeon

I know from experience that the Thursday Daily gives you a crap load of Dragon Plants. I had so many clogging up my monster box that I started fusing them for experience. :/

The Tower of Titans goes on 1/2 stamina over the weekend so you can farm that as well. Maybe alternate between that the Daily Money Dungeon. The wiki recommends Tower of Titan 3 - Dragon of the Tower (JP translation) as a good spot.

You also have a rare chance to get DPs through the Wood Dungeon, Tower of Trials, and Tropical Forest Nerva.
 

MKAllDay

Member
"After about LV10, you should instead fuse those feeders to Carbuncles, then feed the Carbuncles to whatever you actually want to raise"

Could someone please expand on this statement from the first post? As in what happens that ends up making this more beneficial? Also at what point is this no longer very cost efficient and you should consider switching to a Pengdra/Metal dragon only diet?
 

kaizoku

I'm not as deluded as I make myself out to be
I got the Fenrir Knight in my tutorial roll - decent enough so far. Suspect it isnt a patch on the other stuff though...

Whats the best way to build a good team otherwise? Spend 5 stones on pulls and hope for the best as well as hope for good monster drops that you can then evolve into something good? Am I missing anything or are either of these two methods a waste of time?

Is it like 90% hope for drops and 10% luck of the pull or is it more 50/50 in term of how important these two mechanics are to squad building?
 

Dawg

Member
I can download this game with a US store account and switch back to my EU main account without any problems, right?
 

elty

Member
Is this PST?
Check your 3rd digit on the left of your ID as it classifies which group you belong to
(A: 0,5) (B: 1,6) (C:2,7) (D:3,8) (E:4,9)
A: 8:00 13:00 18:00
B: 9:00 14:00 19:00
C: 10:00 15:00 20:00
D: 11:00 16:00 21:00
E: 12:00 17:00 22:00
 

KuroNeeko

Member
"After about LV10, you should instead fuse those feeders to Carbuncles, then feed the Carbuncles to whatever you actually want to raise"

Could someone please expand on this statement from the first post? As in what happens that ends up making this more beneficial? Also at what point is this no longer very cost efficient and you should consider switching to a Pengdra/Metal dragon only diet?

Each creature (fodder) you fuse to another (target creature) incurs a cost that must be paid in coins. This cost increases as the target creature's level gets higher. So you want to make sure that fusing as many creatures as possible (max. 5) during each fuse session to take advantage of the low cost. e.g. Fusing 5 creatures at once costs less than fusing 1 creature 5 times (assuming that the target creature's level increases during the process.)

So let's say you have 5 carbuncles and 25 fodder cards. You could do 30 different fusions, but you'd need to pay the cost (based on your target creature's level) 30 times. Or you can give each carbuncle 5 fodder (paying the relatively low cost based on the carbuncle's low level) and then give all 5 carbuncles to your target card. You probably lose out on some experience, but you're saving a LOT of money.

As for switching to PengDra / Metal Dragons, I can't see that being a viable strategy. Seems like they're too hard to get a hold of on a consistent basis. There was an excellent leveling post in the thread somewhere that talked about farming tier 2 carbuncles and feeding them for efficient leveling. I can't seem to find it now.
 
Yeah, but the super crazy amount of EXP King Metals and evolved Pengdras give is worth it especially when you're trying to raise a very high level monster.
 

MKAllDay

Member
Each creature (fodder) you fuse to another (target creature) incurs a cost that must be paid in coins. This cost increases as the target creature's level gets higher. So you want to make sure that fusing as many creatures as possible (max. 5) during each fuse session to take advantage of the low cost. e.g. Fusing 5 creatures at once costs less than fusing 1 creature 5 times (assuming that the target creature's level increases during the process.)

So let's say you have 5 carbuncles and 25 fodder cards. You could do 30 different fusions, but you'd need to pay the cost (based on your target creature's level) 30 times. Or you can give each carbuncle 5 fodder (paying the relatively low cost based on the carbuncle's low level) and then give all 5 carbuncles to your target card. You probably lose out on some experience, but you're saving a LOT of money.

As for switching to PengDra / Metal Dragons, I can't see that being a viable strategy. Seems like they're too hard to get a hold of on a consistent basis. There was an excellent leveling post in the thread somewhere that talked about farming tier 2 carbuncles and feeding them for efficient leveling. I can't seem to find it now.

Ok that makes perfect sense. Thank you.

Edit: Why is the base monster of choice a Carbuncle? Is that just a common example based on them being easy to find or is there something nice about them as a base?
 

Dawg

Member
Ok, so I just started this game and I have a few questions (I've read the faq but I'm still not 100% sure)

I currently have:

Lv. 4 Mystic Stone Knight
Lv. 2 Tyrra (starter)
Lv. 1 Blue Goblin
Lv. 1 Blue Carbuncle
Lv. 1 Bubblie
Lv. Max Dragon Seed
Lv. 1 Woodsie
Lv. 1 Woodsie
Lv. 1 Yellow Carbuncle
Lv. 1 Shynee
Lv. 1 Black Fighter
Lv. 1 Baddie
Lv. 1 Baddie

Am I supposed to pick the best ones out of them (highest stats) and just feed the rest of them to my team? Also, having more of the same type in your team... does this have any effect on the orbs you gather, like will it divide the 'attack' value between monsters of the same type or will all of them still get 100% attack value.

Finally, when I picked a helper before starting a dungeon, it said something about starter skill not available?

/newbie rant
 
Ok that makes perfect sense. Thank you.

Edit: Why is the base monster of choice a Carbuncle? Is that just a common example based on them being easy to find or is there something nice about them as a base?
Out of all the monsters in the game with the gentlest EXP curve (1mil), Carbuncles are the most readily available. They level up the fastest and thus provide more EXP when fed. There might be a couple of... wrong facts in there but afaik that's the reason why you use 2* Carbuncles.
Ok, so I just started this game and I have a few questions (I've read the faq but I'm still not 100% sure)

I currently have:

Lv. 4 Mystic Stone Knight
Lv. 2 Tyrra (starter)
Lv. 1 Blue Goblin
Lv. 1 Blue Carbuncle
Lv. 1 Bubblie
Lv. Max Dragon Seed
Lv. 1 Woodsie
Lv. 1 Woodsie
Lv. 1 Yellow Carbuncle
Lv. 1 Shynee
Lv. 1 Black Fighter
Lv. 1 Baddie
Lv. 1 Baddie

Am I supposed to pick the best ones out of them (highest stats) and just feed the rest of them to my team? Also, having more of the same type in your team... does this have any effect on the orbs you gather, like will it divide the 'attack' value between monsters of the same type or will all of them still get 100% attack value.

Finally, when I picked a helper before starting a dungeon, it said something about starter skill not available?

/newbie rant

Keep your Mystic Stone Knight and Tyrra; make sure to FAV them in your Monster Box so you don't accidentally fuse them away. At this point yeah you should basically keep the ones with the best stats and fuse the rest to a monster of the same element. Damage is the sum of everything on your team.

Leader skills won't activate unless that explorer is on your friends list.
 

Dawg

Member
Keep your Mystic Stone Knight and Tyrra; make sure to FAV them in your Monster Box so you don't accidentally fuse them away. At this point yeah you should basically keep the ones with the best stats and fuse the rest to a monster of the same element. Damage is the sum of everything on your team.

Leader skills won't activate unless that explorer is on your friends list.

Thanks.

Should I focus on Stat Fusion or Evolve fusion? I have one dragon mat (dragon seed) and it seems I can use it on my starter.

As for stat fusion, always use 5 creatures or so? Few posts above explains its cheaper in the long run. (I noticed I had to pay 100 for a fusion with one creature, +100 for each addition atm)
 

Mashing

Member
My Ancient Dragon Knight seems to be used all the time (+2.5x damage for dragons).

Yep, ADK is the shit and I don't even have a full dragon team. Crushed the special dungeons with Alarune/ADK (I use Green Odin when I need more defense though).
 

KuroNeeko

Member
Wow, I just started really taking advantage of the switchers and ho-lee shiyat. My Mermaid / Dark Dragon Knight / Vampire team is just steamrolling everything right now. Similarly, my goblin warrior / naga / Behemoth / Flairdrar(ally) team just bulldozed the green golem Sacred Mt. Bakkes.

Thanks.

Should I focus on Stat Fusion or Evolve fusion? I have one dragon mat (dragon seed) and it seems I can use it on my starter.

As for stat fusion, always use 5 creatures or so? Few posts above explains its cheaper in the long run. (I noticed I had to pay 100 for a fusion with one creature, +100 for each addition atm)

For stat fusion, you don't always need to use 5 creatures, that's just the most optimal way to go about doing it. Everyone is so concerned with what is "optimal", worried that they're doing things wrong, or wasting their time. These are just guiding principles that help out. Overall, it's better to fuse more creatures at once just to reduce cost. If you have the coins or aren't worried too much about it then stat fuse whatever you want.

As to your first question, you'll need to raise a creature to max level before you can evolve it. If you go to Monsters→Evolve you'll see your collection of monsters. Some will be greyed out, some will appear as normal, some won't appear at all. The monsters that appear normally are monsters that you can evolve if they are at max level - meaning that you all have the necessary mats needed to evolve them. Greyed out monsters are those that can potentially be evolved, but are missing mats. You can tap them, then hit select (the first option) to see what mats you're missing. If it's a mat that you've had in the past, it will appear greyed out. If it's a mat that you haven't owned at some point, then it will appear as a question mark.

Your dragon seed will definitely come into play when you evolve your starter dragon. You'll need to max out his level first.
 

Dawg

Member
For stat fusion, you don't always need to use 5 creatures, that's just the most optimal way to go about doing it. Everyone is so concerned with what is "optimal", worried that they're doing things wrong, or wasting their time. These are just guiding principles that help out. Overall, it's better to fuse more creatures at once just to reduce cost. If you have the coins or aren't worried too much about it then stat fuse whatever you want.

As to your first question, you'll need to raise a creature to max level before you can evolve it. If you go to Monsters→Evolve you'll see your collection of monsters. Some will be greyed out, some will appear as normal, some won't appear at all. The monsters that appear normally are monsters that you can evolve if they are at max level - meaning that you all have the necessary mats needed to evolve them. Greyed out monsters are those that can potentially be evolved, but are missing mats. You can tap them, then hit select (the first option) to see what mats you're missing. If it's a mat that you've had in the past, it will appear greyed out. If it's a mat that you haven't owned at some point, then it will appear as a question mark.

Your dragon seed will definitely come into play when you evolve your starter dragon. You'll need to max out his level first.

Very helpful. I maxed my starter, but I noticed his evolve option (using only dragon seed) is "?" and his stats seem to go down if I would evolve.
 
? just means you don't have that monster in your Monster Book because you haven't seen it anywhere yet. The stats go down because it becomes LV1 again, but the higher level cap will make it stronger overall.
 

Dawg

Member
? just means you don't have that monster in your Monster Book because you haven't seen it anywhere yet. The stats go down because it becomes LV1 again, but the higher level cap will make it stronger overall.

Excellent, I got it now.

This is the first iPad game that really got me hooked. So glad I saw this thread (and the US account workaround)
 

Mashing

Member
Woohoo! The fire Tuesday dungeon had the last evo material I needed (Keeper of Flame) to evolve my Tyrannos into the 5* Firedragon Tyrannos! Yeah! If you picked the fire-type starter and you're at the Castle of Satan dungeon (I just completed it and was able to beat the dungeon pretty easily), be sure to hit up that Tuesday dungeon for that evo material while it's up.

I also just pulled a level 30 5* Thanatos (or Thatanos?) from the machine. Was able to max him out at level 35 immediately with some metal dragons. Looks like it's going to be a while before I can evolve him, though.

I upgraded him today. Was pretty easy to get from 2* to 5* once I started getting metal dragons (and a the new king metal dragons I got didn't hurt either!). Had all the mats, just need the keeper and lo and behold it was the special dungeon of the day ;). I need ot rank up his skill. Does anyone know what a good monster to use for that is? I guess I could just feed any pal dragons I get (and don't need) to him.
 

xCobalt

Member
I upgraded him today. Was pretty easy to get from 2* to 5* once I started getting metal dragons (and a the new king metal dragons I got didn't hurt either!). Had all the mats, just need the keeper and lo and behold it was the special dungeon of the day ;). I need ot rank up his skill. Does anyone know what a good monster to use for that is? I guess I could just feed any pal dragons I get (and don't need) to him.

Their skill has to be identical if you want to level it up. Even the previous forms have different skills. Afaik, no other monster has that skill.
 

KuroNeeko

Member
Their skill has to be identical if you want to level it up. Even the previous forms have different skills. Afaik, no other monster has that skill.

There are a few monsters that have Magma Breath. My Ifrit has it. Unfortunately, there are only three ways to get an Ifrit: evolving a Salamander that you get from a one-time event called Gifts of Heaven; or from The Tower of the Sun. Ifrit himself is a 5-star card. You can also pull Ifrit from the rare slot machine like I did.

Or you can grind Flame Chimeras from one of the Technical Dungeons and then Evolve them into Magma Chimeras. Magma Chimeras are 4-star units.

It's a hard skill to raise. I imagine they did it on purpose because it's so powerful.
 

totowhoa

Banned
I upgraded him today. Was pretty easy to get from 2* to 5* once I started getting metal dragons (and a the new king metal dragons I got didn't hurt either!). Had all the mats, just need the keeper and lo and behold it was the special dungeon of the day ;). I need ot rank up his skill. Does anyone know what a good monster to use for that is? I guess I could just feed any pal dragons I get (and don't need) to him.

Yup, I managed to go through every Tuesday dungeon but the Master one. And I started this game last Tuesday if I recall correctly :) I've got a TON of evolution available to me now... I'm just going to need to farm the stuff over the next few days as some of the special evo dungeons pop up. I'm still doing fine on the primary dungeon progression so I'm trying not to farm outside of special dungeons too much...

I really can't wait until I can evolve my Green Odin... he's not far from max now. I'm guessing I'm going to need some of the rainbow evo mats from the master dungeons.

Their skill has to be identical if you want to level it up. Even the previous forms have different skills. Afaik, no other monster has that skill.

I asked this earlier but never got a response... I've never gotten a skill level-up, but I haven't sought them too closely. But I've fused PLENTY of carbuncles together and they have the same skills, yet I haven't gotten a skill level-up. Do the monsters need to be different, or have I just been extraordinarily unlucky?
 

KuroNeeko

Member
Do the monsters need to be different, or have I just been extraordinarily unlucky?

No, so long as the skill is exactly the same, any creature will do. You've just been unlucky. I've ready somewhere that there is a 20% chance of success, but experience tells me otherwise.
 

blackflag

Member
Pretty good day. Got 1 of each keeper except for rainbow. Got my red dragon to firelord and then level 45. No time to do the regular dungeons. Too much stamina being spent on special dungeons. And I learned that Red Sun's Alarune is the bomb.
 

Victrix

*beard*
No, so long as the skill exactly the same, any creature will do. You've just been unlucky. I've ready somewhere that there is a 20% chance of success, but experience tells me otherwise.

There's no way its 20%, I've fed shitloads of knights to each other and none are above 3

It's also possible that its different per monster, different per evolution, different based on what tier of monster you feed, and different if the skill level is higher
 

Ferrio

Banned
I just did today's dungeon (took forever), and I got a keeper of the dark and keeper of the flame.. are they any good? They don't look it.
 

totowhoa

Banned
No, so long as the skill exactly the same, any creature will do. You've just been unlucky. I've ready somewhere that there is a 20% chance of success, but experience tells me otherwise.

OK. One last question since I haven't had a chance to test it myself... When a monster learns a new skill when it evolves (i.e., 3x fire attack -> 10x fire attack) will it retain the skill level or reset completely?

I just did today's dungeon (took forever), and I got a keeper of the dark and keeper of the flame.. are they any good? They don't look it.

Yes very good, if you started with the fire-type monster as many suggest then you can use the keeper of the flame to raise him to the 5* level. Both are good evo material.
 

Ferrio

Banned
OK. One last question since I haven't had a chance to test it myself... When a monster learns a new skill when it evolves (i.e., 3x fire attack -> 10x fire attack) will it retain the skill level or reset completely?



Yes very good, if you started with the fire-type monster than you can use the keeper of the flame to raise him to the 5* level. Both are good evo material.

Oh so they aren't good monsters but good evo mats?

Maybe I should feed the dark one to my vamp or chaos knight? Hrmm
 

totowhoa

Banned
Oh so they aren't good monsters but good evo mats?

Yep exactly. I noticed one of my keepers had decent stats but his cost was extremely high for it (11). I was able to run all three expert levels of the Tuesday dungeon and I had a few monsters that were able to use those keeper evo mats. Definitely don't sell or fuse them haphazardly.
Edit: Definitely don't feed them off... Save them for evolution. They won't provide enough EXP to justify wasting them since they're so valuable as evo mats.

I've only played the game for a week, but so far the Tuesday dungeon is the only way I know of when it comes to getting those. So you definitely want to hold on to those for when you get a monster that needs one to evolve
 

KuroNeeko

Member
OK. One last question since I haven't had a chance to test it myself... When a monster learns a new skill when it evolves (i.e., 3x fire attack -> 10x fire attack) will it retain the skill level or reset completely?

The new skill will start at Skill Level 1. It's not a matter of being reset, it's more that you're learning an entirely new skill so it starts at the lowest level. On the other hand, if the new form of the evolution uses the same skill, you will retain whatever increased skill level you had pre-evolution.

Oh so they aren't good monsters but good evo mats?

Maybe I should feed the dark one to my vamp or chaos knight? Hrmm

It depends on what monsters you have. I used two of the Keepers of Light in my light team because they have a skill that reduces all incoming damage by half for a number of turns. They also have a decent attack. You can use them in fusion, but you will probably regret it later. If anything, hang onto them and use them for some of the more powerful evolutions like Shaitan, Tyrannos, Shiva, and Phoenix Knight. You'll need the Dark Keeper for your Dark Dragon Knight, Lillith, and a number of god evolutions.
 

Ferrio

Banned
The new skill will start at Skill Level 1. It's not a matter of being reset, it's more that you're learning an entirely new skill so it starts at the lowest level. On the other hand, if the new form of the evolution uses the same skill, you will retain whatever increased skill level you had pre-evolution.



It depends on what monsters you have. I used two of the Keepers of Light in my light team because they have a skill that reduces all incoming damage by half for a number of turns. They also have a decent attack. You can use them in fusion, but you will probably regret it later. If anything, hang onto them and use them for some of the more powerful evolutions like Shaitan, Tyrannos, Shiva, and Phoenix Knight. You'll need the Dark Keeper for your Dark Dragon Knight, Lillith, and a number of god evolutions.

My knight is already 5 though..
 

Victrix

*beard*
Nono, don't fuse them for xp. They're not for XP, they're for evolving. Stow them away, they're used for evolving most 'humanoid' creatures to their higher tiers. Because the basic red/green/blue Keepers are 100% drops, you could get rid of them, but I'd still keep them unless you have a pressing need for box space.

For today's mask dungeon, if you're trying to do the expert dungeon:

Bring a mono color team, with a few orb changers if you have them.

Bring a friend Shiva.

Round one, either kill one mask or leave them be if you can take the hits and heal up (depending on your leader/total hp).

Make small matches near the top of the screen to charge your skills, while stowing same colored orbs safely at the bottom. Kill the last mask in round one.

Fire Shiva's ability - it drops their defense to zero for one round, but, like the little Knights armor break ability, it stays active if you sweep the round.

Trigger single matches or aoe nukes - your single color attack or aoe will kill every mask. Repeat x4. Hopefully loot Mystic Mask. Profit!
 

Valygar

Member
I can't pass the tower of giants - wrath of the giant (with the hammer ogre fire boss).. I've tried 3 times and he kills me in one hit.

Rank 26, my team is:

Lv 23 Valkyrie - Leader (N 225)
Lv 24 Echidna (N 89)
Lv 16 Succubus (N 96)
Lv 11 Red Ogre
Lv 12 Blue Ogre

I tried farming for Cupid or Dryad for a bit, but no luck... Which one is better? I guess Cupid, but not sure...
 
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