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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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Throwaway123456789
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I love Etika, but he reports every bit of rumor as hard fact on his channel, all the time. There's no reason he should know anything or get any info from Nintendo. Take this with a ton of salt.
Opinionatedfish
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It would be like two systems working with each other. Kind of makes me wish I could put the screen into some kind of attachment like the Gear VR and display games in that way too.
Here's another one.
I would expect the D-Pad/Buttons to be closer to the middle. Because of the small width of the device your thumb doesn't have to stretch while holding it horizontal and if bot input parts are closer then it would work better while holding it vertical.
We should keep in mind this is needs to be comfortable in both ways of holding.
Yeah it would make more sense if the NX would stream video to the tv instead of directly hooking the device to the TV, they have experience with streaming content with the WII U. The dock would only be used to transfer the signal from the NX to the TV and could be a separate purchase/bundle.
edit: this is also something that could be different from the prototype compared to the final product.
Err... Not happening. You need the dock for other features otherwise you have half a console. (It has USB ports which are expected for HDD support, the NX itself doesn't have much memory.)
It should be the SCD you expect to be a separate device (peripheral) if they ever decide to sell it.
How can you say anything about ergonomics without seeing the product first?
So far, my pros and cons of what has been speculated:
Pros:
Power - sounds like an incredible leap over the 3DS, and powerful enough to actually be worth using on your home TV
Hybrid - being able to use your 50' screen to play games while at home is one hell of a bonus feature for a handheld.
Screen Size - I always wanted this to be closer to a tablet than a phone. Pocketability doesn't matter - you can't replace people's phones as their pocketable devices so don't bother trying. A 6', 720p screen is all I want and need from a handheld device. MK8 ran at 720p and it looked amazing. Put that on a 6' screen at minds will be blown.
End of Dual Screen - Cost too much battery and processing resources for what it was adding to games.
Unified Nintendo Library - Great games all the time, end of droughts, Hallelujah.
Cons:
Detachable Controllers - I have no idea how they'll work, but I'm concerned that they'll feel bad in the hands, that they'll be flimsy, that they'll make the hardware itself look cheap due to whatever method is used to attach them. I'm conerned we won't have as many buttons as we should due to the requirement that both sides be usable on their own. I'm concerned that this is the latest example of an attempt by Nintendo to push local multiplayer that ends up sabotaging their ideas. Local multiplayer should NOT be the focus of a portable device. People are all about the individual second screen experience these days. If you want local multiplayer out of the NX, hook it up to the TV and use a second controller sold seperately. (Or a BC Wii / Wii U controller etc)
Proposed Audience - The above makes me think they might be skewing very, very young with this thing. Younger than usual, even. Simpler controls, local multiplayer on a tablet sized device... sounds more for 5-10 year olds and less what I'd want from a device. This is just a fear more than anything I substantially believe... just throwing it out there.
Industrial Design This thing needs to look sexy if it's to sell well. it needs to look 'normal' enough that people can safely use it in public without looking like they're playing with a toy, and preferably like their using just any modern tablet device, if a bit specialised. The detachable controllers make me think that this will be impossible, and this thing could be a bit of a fat monstrosity compared to the sleek electronics we're used to from other companies.
All of this is useless speculation but it's where my head is at right now. By and large, other than the controllers I think it sounds like everything I've ever wanted, and I've learned not to really doubt Nintendo on when it comes to input devices.
Pros:
Power - sounds like an incredible leap over the 3DS, and powerful enough to actually be worth using on your home TV
Hybrid - being able to use your 50' screen to play games while at home is one hell of a bonus feature for a handheld.
Screen Size - I always wanted this to be closer to a tablet than a phone. Pocketability doesn't matter - you can't replace people's phones as their pocketable devices so don't bother trying. A 6', 720p screen is all I want and need from a handheld device. MK8 ran at 720p and it looked amazing. Put that on a 6' screen at minds will be blown.
End of Dual Screen - Cost too much battery and processing resources for what it was adding to games.
Unified Nintendo Library - Great games all the time, end of droughts, Hallelujah.
Cons:
Detachable Controllers - I have no idea how they'll work, but I'm concerned that they'll feel bad in the hands, that they'll be flimsy, that they'll make the hardware itself look cheap due to whatever method is used to attach them. I'm conerned we won't have as many buttons as we should due to the requirement that both sides be usable on their own. I'm concerned that this is the latest example of an attempt by Nintendo to push local multiplayer that ends up sabotaging their ideas. Local multiplayer should NOT be the focus of a portable device. People are all about the individual second screen experience these days. If you want local multiplayer out of the NX, hook it up to the TV and use a second controller sold seperately. (Or a BC Wii / Wii U controller etc)
Proposed Audience - The above makes me think they might be skewing very, very young with this thing. Younger than usual, even. Simpler controls, local multiplayer on a tablet sized device... sounds more for 5-10 year olds and less what I'd want from a device. This is just a fear more than anything I substantially believe... just throwing it out there.
Industrial Design This thing needs to look sexy if it's to sell well. it needs to look 'normal' enough that people can safely use it in public without looking like they're playing with a toy, and preferably like their using just any modern tablet device, if a bit specialised. The detachable controllers make me think that this will be impossible, and this thing could be a bit of a fat monstrosity compared to the sleek electronics we're used to from other companies.
All of this is useless speculation but it's where my head is at right now. By and large, other than the controllers I think it sounds like everything I've ever wanted, and I've learned not to really doubt Nintendo on when it comes to input devices.
That's absolute bullshit, did you see the last Zelda lol ? No teraflops can be enough for Nintendo ambition now. That's true for Mario to, as for any games. I hate that idea that Nintendo games don't need power... what a fucking load of lies..
That said some people are really hoping 1,4gflops like the XBO in a portable ? really ?
Dr. Buni
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You can make two controllers by detaching them, it also makes replacing faulty buttons easier (if they sell the separated controllers, of course, but they likely will).
I can't agree, going by rumors I think it has everything to be quite the exciting system. Of course the most important is the software and we still know very little about it.
I thought it's pretty clear that I implied based on the rumours solely (which of course may or may not be accurate, or may be accurate but may be different in final consumer version), the ergonomics seem terrible. The handheld seems pretty thick and bulky based on the rumoured dimensions, the rectangular design depicted in the sketches (not sure if it being a rectangular design is part of the rumour) seems very uncomfortable as well imho.
Obviously I'm reserving final judgement for when I'll have seen the product (or ideally, held the product in my hands).
It's not been quite so clear, though, especially with the insider statements over the past few months. I'm not super worried.
I was still holding out for an X2/Parker possibility.
And Parker is more efficient.
I could play games with SNES level graphics and be happy - it's not about what's needed, per se, but about what people want. You can't deny that a more capable system would be favourable, especially when considering titles like Zelda. Higher res textures and a consistent framerate in BotW would be great.
Dark Cloud
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We really need to see these controllers because these pictures make these controllers looked gimped and because of them the overall controllers with the screen takes a hit.
For real. These mockups don't look good or comfortable.
For real. These mockups don't look good or comfortable.
Id like them all in 1080p, 60fps with lots of grass,good textures and effects. If it has the power to do that then great..if not.. it needs more power.
The dimensions were said to not be reliable in an update. All the sketches are rectangular because that's much easier to draw and nobody will leak a sketch that will look exactly like the product because at that point they might as well take a picture of it and show it. And no, nobody confirmed NX to be a rectangular box at this point.
And if you talk about mock-ups, there is a good reason why 99.9% of the people who do mock-ups will never design a console or any product ever.
Übermatik;215607586 said:
Even Parker will still be below Xbone in terms of raw power.
Cut away the plastic bezel around the bottom screen of your 2DS and wait for homebrew ;-)
Übermatik;215607586 said:
Parker is a possibility. It's just that its at most been stated as a 50% increase in performance over TX1 and that's at full wattage which is probably going to be 10W-20W. You are not going to see that in the NX.
It will probably be from 400-600 (GFLOPS at FP32) which is doubled for FP16. That is being optimistic here unless the 2x Wii U power is literal which would be 350 GFLOPS at FP32.
I've always just assumed its a way for them to create a Nintendo Tablet of sorts. Plenty of games can work as touch screen only experiences, so why force controller use when playing those games? Seems like plenty of kids are more familiar with using a touch screen than a controller. I was having a conversation with my colleague recently, and he mentioned how just bought his kids (5 & 6 years old) a Wii, since they had only ever played touch screen games.
I suppose the big picture about this device is flexibility. Touch screen gaming, motion gaming, traditional mobile gaming, and home gaming. Not saying it'll be done well, but thats the vibe I get from the "leaks".
Really. Besides talent and not thinking about ergonomics I reached the conclusion that most of the people lack imagination.
Hero of Legend
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But will it have Region Dock?
Aha about western 3rd parties in particular:
Seeing people's negative reactions to an NX dev-kit is nothing. I can't wait to see reactions when NX's major third party support comes from mobile game developers.
People who still expect western 3rd parties AAA games on any Nintendo device have only themselves to blame for disappointment.
Dark Cloud
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I don't think the dock will do anything for the NX except connect to the tv and have some ports.
If the dock did something greater, then Eurogamer or Emily or someone else would've specified.
If the dock did something greater, then Eurogamer or Emily or someone else would've specified.
Wii U may be significantly likelier than 3DS simply because the other games are on there and they haven't been able as far as we know to get GBA VC working to their liking yet on 3DS. Maybe N3DS changed that and we will see GBA VC soon. I also think at this point they night hold off till NX.
DXB-KNIGHT
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My guess it'll be the 3DS cradle 2.0 with TV out put
with hidden 4K pikmin power
Here's another one.
The fact that you put tetris and not zelda or some other 3d game reflects exactly my concerns, we are no more in the 16 bit era, most of the games need 2 analogs, how are we supposed to play a 3d game with just one analog? Will games be forced to be simplified for that reason or they will be forced to have crappy multiplayer minigames just to take advantage of that gimmick?
I mean, in the Direct thread some still feel it's a strong possibility that despite this the "one more thing" will be an NX reveal date announcement. But, we shall see soon enough. ☺
Übermatik;215607586 said:
80 Watts?? If you are talking about XBO please don't use "X1" in this context because people will think you are talking about Tegra X1, the chip inside NX devkits.
Wrestlemania
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Looks like it's just an example of an option you have for playing, not the default layout.
Hasn't always been the case with Nintendo?
DXB-KNIGHT
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This. Stop bullshitting yourself just to justify shortcomings power wise.
The real one is being designed by the people who brought you the original 3DS, 2DS and Wii U GamePad. Their recent track record is mixed to say the least.
Heard where, do you mean? FWIW Nintendo has never said "there will be no NX info" and then had NX info in a Direct. They haven't contradicted themselves that significantly in this way before. They've said a Direct will be focused on system X and then also showed system Y games, but that's a bit different. I still to think a reveal announcement date is possible, just tempering my expectations. ☺
I love the idea of that, because I really want as little waiting as possible between announcement of reveal and actual reveal,b ut I suspect we will have at least a week's notice so they can build hype and get a larger than usual audience for the reveal.
It seems unlikely only insofar as the EG and LPVG rumors I believe both said the NX plugs directly physically into the dock.
Cut away the plastic bezel around the bottom screen of your 2DS and wait for homebrew ;-)
Oh my.
That all depends on what you're looking for from the device and what the games will be. For me, the system could be a GBA 2 with a TV out and I'd be happy to get more Nintendo games. So it depends on the person.
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