Actually that would be California home of the ballot initiative. lol
I know I live here, shakes fist!
Actually that would be California home of the ballot initiative. lol
When is your life genuinely in danger? Where do you draw the line? Honest question.
My coworker's husband was killed in a home invasion/robbery two years ago. That changed my entire thought process on the necessity of gun ownership.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120414/LOCAL07/304149983/1043/LOCAL07So he was killed because he tried to reach to his handgun? Or because he didn't have one?
It's sad that someone lost his life but chances are that if he was armed he would end up dead the same way.
When is your life genuinely in danger? Where do you draw the line? Honest question.
Yeah of automatic weapons. Lol
Guns already have background checks...much like laws on automatic weapons.
When someone I do not know has entered my home without my permission.
Anti-gun gaf makes me laugh. I'd rather be with one than without one.
Oh for damn sure.
Good for him.
When someone I do not know has entered my home without my permission.
Damn straight.My protocol is this: make sure the intruder is not a family member or friend, if not, pull trigger.
When someone I do not know has entered my home without my permission.
I would rather deny you one than give you one.
The problem here is not even about America's opinion on gun control, it's about the average American having no idea just how low a level of gun control the NRA actually wants yet still thinking the NRA is a swell organization.
About 60% of Americans want more gun control, but then Americans also have a generally favorable view of the NRA which is at an extreme even most gun owners. If you like guns, then you don't want criminals to give them a bad image which means you would support at modest level of gun control.
This poll just shows how poor America's understanding of lobbies is.
When someone I do not know has entered my home without my permission.
I don't mind *SMART* gun control. But the reactionary soccer-mom legislation of "BAN ALL THE BAD THINGS!" doesn't work and only serves to make obtaining a weapon harder for law-abiding citizens while doing nothing to keep them out of the hands of those that we don't want walking around with guns.
The fact that the government in the US went around and illegally confiscated legal gun owners weapons in New Orleans after Katrina tells me all I need to know about my "rights" when shit hits the fan...
Guns.. the whole concept of guns just sounds so ancient.
But i can understand you want to be abe to defend yourself from criminals who DO have acces to guns most of the time. However, this will often lead to all kinds of unwanted drama since life ISN'T a fucking movie.
It is a bias that would have to be accounted for, I agree. I do think that with these surveys they contact people as opposed to vote on this issue polls sitting on a website. Same with a traditional phone polling I suspect.
The American gun culture is seriously messed up. We have one of the highest crime rates in the world, despite everyone being armed to the teeth. It's like Americans think the country is like the wild west of something, where the only law that matters is where the bullet lands.
I guess after Obama got elected, gun sales went through the roof. I wonder what happens when he wins re-election this year. The country might just go off the rails.
I don't mind *SMART* gun control. But the reactionary soccer-mom legislation of "BAN ALL THE BAD THINGS!" doesn't work and only serves to make obtaining a weapon harder for law-abiding citizens while doing nothing to keep them out of the hands of those that we don't want walking around with guns.
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
The rural crime rates are much lower than the American average
It's the crime-infested cities raise the average
Compare Vermont with Illinois for example
One has Detroit in it and one doesnt
Or compare a group of random counties in upper new york State equal in population to NYC
You'll find the group has the lower rate, even with the populations being equal to the city.
Guns.. the whole concept of guns just sounds so ancient.
But i can understand you want to be abe to defend yourself from criminals who DO have acces to guns most of the time. However, this will often lead to all kinds of unwanted drama since life ISN'T a fucking movie.
Compare Vermont with Illinois for example
One has Detroit in it and one doesnt
Oh my god I'm so dumb
The problem is that gun control just doesn't work. Look at the joke of the 1994 AWB, which had no effect on crime rates.
James Earl Jones it best.
James Earl Jones it best.
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
Yeah, because you would expect a major effect from a law banning assault rifles when criminals use pistols, which are easily concealed.The problem is that gun control just doesn't work. Look at the joke of the 1994 AWB, which had no effect on crime rates.
James Earl Jones it best.
America. Such a lost cause.
Seriously though, if you want guns, you need to learn to be responsible with them. If you don't want to do that, then why should you have dangerous tools whose primary function is the incapacitation/killing of other humans??
Except it doesn't work. The Canadian Long Gun Registry for example, which was finally scrapped, despite Quebec trying to keep data, was judged a massive failure that never helped solve any crimes. Also most criminals do not legally acquire their guns. The government has no reason to know what guns I own.Nobody expects gun control to prevent all criminals from ever getting a gun. But the government should have the ability to easily track down owners of murder weapons. That technically falls under the banner of increasing gun control but it doesn't actually prevent anyone without felonies from getting a gun.
You made the thread title sound like most regular Americans support, or are even aware of, the radical positions the NRA defends. But if the majority support more gun control, then that's obviously stretching the truth.
Yeah, because you would expect a major effect from a law banning assault rifles when criminals use pistols, which are easily concealed.
Question though, do you think decent people have lost in, say, Poland? It has the lowest gun ownership in the EU, and despite being far, far poorer than the United States, it has a significantly lower homicide rate. Or what about Slovenia?
Are you saying that you'll never see the criminal coming or that you just haven't seen a criminal use a gun?that quote is just ridiculous to me. i've managed to live almost three decades now without ever seeing a single criminal with a gun, and i don't think i've never even heard of any stories from anyone i know ever seeing a criminal with a gun. it's pretty damn rare... so how exactly is it such a huge problem then, that everyone should be armed? just ridiculous to me. to have everyone armed would not even negate the problem of armed criminals entirely (not even close lol), it would just bring in a whole mess of new problems... the cons would far outweigh the pros. a person could only want such a society if he had a fetish for guns or something, and valued that fetish more than a more safe society, IMO.
i understand it depends on where you live (i'd want a gun too if i saw criminals every day), but it IS obviously possible to have a functioning civil society where guns aren't part of the culture. that should be the goal... right?
yeah, this is what im wondering. there are places on this planet where guns are not a huge part of the culture, yet criminals are not running rampant.. so, why cant America look at these places and take some lessons?
That didn't stop anti-gun nuts and the bills supporters from proclaiming it would, and that this was just the first step. It shows how they don't even fundamentally understand how guns work even.Yeah, because you would expect a major effect from a law banning assault rifles when criminals use pistols, which are easily concealed.
Question though, do you think decent people have lost in, say, Poland? It has the lowest gun ownership in the EU, and despite being far, far poorer than the United States, it has a significantly lower homicide rate. Or what about Slovenia?
Who the fuck loves guns? Are they insane? Does it make people feel less like men if they don't have one? Is that why people love them?
Sorry I don't mean anything personal if you do love guns. I just don't get it.