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[Opiate]

And 4th largest city in North America.

Where did you get that statistic? I see a Metro Population of ~5.5M. That's certainly big, but just off the top of my head San Francisco, Philly, New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Boston are larger.

 

[Oppo]

Where did you get that statistic? I see a Metro Population of ~5.5M. That's certainly big, but just off the top of my head San Francisco, Philly, New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Boston are larger.

There was an article about Toronto 'passing' Chicago earlier this year, but of course it sort of depends on a host of other factors, and how you create that statistic. Speaking more plainly they are very close to each other. It is indeed either 5th or 4th largest though.

San Fran, Philly aren't even close.

 

[The Elite]

There was an article about Toronto 'passing' Chicago earlier this year, but of course it sort of depends on a host of other factors, and how you create that statistic. Speaking more plainly they are very close to each other. It is indeed either 5th or 4th largest though.

Yup. I recall that too.

 

[CrudeDiatribe]

Where did you get that statistic? I see a Metro Population of ~5.5M. That's certainly big, but just off the top of my head San Francisco, Philly, New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Boston are larger.

It's fifth on this list, which is not based on the metropolitan area of each.

 

[lupinko]

Where did you get that statistic? I see a Metro Population of ~5.5M. That's certainly big, but just off the top of my head San Francisco, Philly, New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Boston are larger.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03...argest-city-in-north-america-passing-chicago/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_North_America

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...largest-city-in-north-america/article9317612/

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03/05/largest-cities-north-america-toronto-chicago_n_2815578.html

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Where did you get that statistic? I see a Metro Population of ~5.5M. That's certainly big, but just off the top of my head San Francisco, Philly, New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Boston are larger.

City population, not metro. Metro areas are defined differently in the two countries. American numbers are far more generous. Toronto's metro population would ~9 million if we used a geographic area similar to Metro Chicago.

 

[Opiate]

There was an article about Toronto 'passing' Chicago earlier this year, but of course it sort of depends on a host of other factors, and how you create that statistic. Speaking more plainly they are very close to each other. It is indeed either 5th or 4th largest though.

San Fran, Philly aren't even close.

By what metric? San Francisco has 7.5 million people. Philadelphia has 6 million.

Ah, I see, this is not the metropolitan area, but just the city proper. I don't think most population statistics are aggregated in this way, but it's not invalid. This would mean a lot of people who (for example) pay taxes to the city of Saint Louis which I live in (Metro area of ~3M) and who identify as Saint Louisians don't count because they don't technically live within city limits even if they are part of the Metropolitan area.

That doesn't mean they're unquestionably right, of course. But we're looking at different statistics.

 

[Opiate]

City population, not metro. Metro areas are defined differently in the two countries. American numbers are far more generous. Toronto's metro population would ~9 million if we used a geographic area similar to Metro Chicago.

I see, thanks.

 

[DopeyFish]

Where did you get that statistic? I see a Metro Population of ~5.5M. That's certainly big, but just off the top of my head San Francisco, Philly, New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Boston are larger.

City proper, not metro. The city population of 2.79 estimate is via city council.

For example, buffalo would be included in our metro area if we used the method Chicago uses for metro area

 

[railGUN]

By what metric? San Francisco has 7.5 million people. Philadelphia has 6 million.

Ah, I see, this is not the metropolitan area, but just the city proper. I don't think most population statistics are aggregated in this way, but it's not invalid. This would mean a lot of people who (for example) pay taxes to the city of Saint Louis which I live in (Metro area of ~3M) and who identify as Saint Louisians don't count because they don't technically live within city limits even if they are part of the Metropolitan area.

That doesn't mean they're unquestionably right, of course. But we're looking at different statistics.

I'd wager they're using that statistic because he's not the mayor of the surrounding cities within the metro region (obviously).

 

[Divvy]

Looks like Rob Ford has a new criminal defense lawyer

 

[Opiate]

I'd wager they're using that statistic because he's not the mayor of the surrounding cities within the metro region (obviously).

It sounds like they're using it because metro area is defined differently in the two different countries, which is a completely justifiable reason.

If the metro area of Toronto is comparable to 9M by American standards, then it is indeed a very large city.

 

[railGUN]

It sounds like they're using it because metro area is defined differently in the two different countries, which is a completely justifiable reason.

If the metro area of Toronto is comparable to 9M by American standards, then it is indeed a very large city.

Well I think it's being used because it's more sensational, but also because of what I said, and what you said.

 

[Fuzzy]

Looks like Rob Ford has a new criminal defense lawyer

That can only be a good thing for him, his old one seemed like a simpleton.

 

[Cyan]

That can only be a good thing for him, his old one seemed like a simpleton.

To be fair, Ford probably hired him during one of his drunken stupors.

 

[daemonic]

I am not one to normally post political polemics (at all) ... and to add to that, I generally avoid Huffington Post as I find it pretty skeezy... that said: this piece by Braithwaite really nailed it on the head, I think. Here's a quote:



Dear Toronto: You're Being Trolled By Ford Nation

There is certainly a common belief among Ford supporters who feel that they (like Ford) are victims in having to "waste" their hard-earned money on taxes, a result of the the Liberals and NDP driving this city into the ground. Their time is consumed largely in part by attacking other parties and defending the mayor they elected without considering what progress the city is making, if any at all.

 

[Divvy]

To be fair, Ford probably hired him during one of his drunken stupors.

Drunken stupor is probably the only way anyone would hire a lawyer using a hotmail email.

 

[railGUN]

Should'a called Saul

 

[Divvy]

The Ford's family are on CP24 defending him right now

 

[railGUN]

Woman with red scarf just put her foot in her mouth. Talking about his (Rob's) associates on live tv without a lawyer.

Good times.

 

[Zombie James]

A family of deniers and enablers. This is just getting sad now. I feel so sorry for his kids.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

It sounds like they're using it because metro area is defined differently in the two different countries, which is a completely justifiable reason.

If the metro area of Toronto is comparable to 9M by American standards, then it is indeed a very large city.

The Golden Horseshoe (where the 9 million people live) is not really centred on Toronto. It's just a very dense and industrialized part of Ontario. If you called someone from Niagara or Kitchener or Kingston or Hamilton a 'Torontonian', they'd slice your head off.

It is just a land-size based equivalent to Bay Area and Chicagoland. It's not as culturally interconnected as those regions are, and I don't think it would be a good definition for a metro.

 

[Divvy]

I feel bad for his wife. She seems to be almost held hostage by the family. Multiple police calls about physical abuse, plus that time she accused him of kidnapping their children to Florida without her consent.

 

[Fuzzy]

To be fair, Ford probably hired him during one of his drunken stupors.

This is my new excuse for everything.

Late for work? Sorry, I was in a drunken stupor and slept in.
Get caught stealing? Sorry, I was in a drunken stupor and thought the TV was mine.
Run over someone? Sorry, I was in a drunken stupor so that was expected.

 

[Divvy]

This is probably why Doug Ford didn't go to work today. Setting this charade up.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

The Ford's family are on CP24 defending him right now

A clan of idiots whose lasting legacy will be labels on an envelope and being the laughing stock of the world. Go on, Doug, try to be premier. I fucking dare you.

 

[Fuzzy]

The Golden Horseshoe (where the 9 million people live) is not really centred on Toronto. It's just a very dense and industrialized part of Ontario. If you called someone from Niagara or Kitchener or Kingston or Hamilton a 'Torontonian', they'd slice your head off.

Except when they're traveling abroad and they freely say they're from Toronto.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I feel bad for his wife. She seems to be almost held hostage by the family. Multiple police calls about physical abuse, plus that time she accused him of kidnapping their children to Florida without her consent.

Physical abuse? Wow didn't hear that one before. Shouldn't the media report on that a bit more?

Everything about the Fords is dysfunctional. I don't know how this family lives with themselves, their father is no doubt turning in his grave.

 

[BorkBork]

A family of deniers and enablers. This is just getting sad now. I feel so sorry for his kids.

Me too. Well-meaning (as family is generally) but very ignorant and irresponsible people. Just watching them trying to justify and humanize his actions makes me cringe. They don't know they're helping him continue down a road that will end in tears.

 

[Fuzzy]

Physical abuse? Wow didn't hear that one before. Shouldn't the media report on that a bit more?

They did when it happened. A lot.

 

[Divvy]

Physical abuse? Wow didn't hear that one before. Shouldn't the media report on that a bit more?

Everything about the Fords is dysfunctional. I don't know how this family lives with themselves, their father is no doubt turning in his grave.

They did, people don't care about such matters it seems

 

[jstripes]

So, Ford's mother seems to be where his victim complex comes from.

 

[Divvy]

Ford's mother is well known to be matriarchal powerhouse of the family, so everything she just said is just full of shit.

Also incredibly telling that his wife was not there

Also also, hopefully there's a transcript because I heard quite a few freudians slips in there

 

[jstripes]

Ford's mother is well known to be matriarchal powerhouse of the family, so everything she just said is just full of shit.

Also incredibly telling that his wife was not there

They're saving his wife and kids for the next video.

Cue "Please leave daddy alone. *sob*"

 

[jstripes]

Also, Rob's staff says "he's not going to work tomorrow".

There's two theories on this:

1) He's finally going to get counseling.
2) The unredacted police documents could drop tomorrow, and he wants to be miles away from it.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

The Golden Horseshoe (where the 9 million people live) is not really centred on Toronto. It's just a very dense and industrialized part of Ontario. If you called someone from Niagara or Kitchener or Kingston or Hamilton a 'Torontonian', they'd slice your head off. .

The same could be said for someone living in Gary or San Jose or Providence or Baltimore or whatever. People from Barrie or Hamilton might not consider themselves Torontonians, but that doesn't change the fact that they're commuting into the GTA for jobs (and vice versa). The Golden Horseshoe is one giant contiguous urban area at this point thats centered around Toronto. Its the perfect comparison to the Bay Area or Chicagoland.

 

[Kave_Man]

Ford's mother is well known to be matriarchal powerhouse of the family, so everything she just said is just full of shit.

Also incredibly telling that his wife was not there

Also also, hopefully there's a transcript because I heard quite a few freudians slips in there

Like the part she said he has a problem...a weight problem!

 

[Divvy]

Also, Rob's staff says "he's not going to work tomorrow".

There's two theories on this:

1) He's finally going to get counseling.
2) The unredacted police documents could drop tomorrow, and he wants to be miles away from it.

 

[Roto13]

Like the part she said he has a problem...a weight problem!

Followed by a rimshot

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Except when they're traveling abroad and they freely say they're from Toronto.

That's what GTA residents do. Or at least I didn't identify as Torontonian abroad when I lived in Hamilton. Toronto was that city far away with a lot of traffic and the CN Tower

Spoiler

and a shitty hockey team, go Sabres go!

. But I guess those hour road trips feel like an eternity when you're young

They did, people don't care about such matters it seems

Y'know, maybe the reaction is justified. Nothing surprises me about Ford anymore. You could say he was a KKK member and I can't say I didn't see it coming.

The same could be said for someone living in Gary or San Jose or Providence or Baltimore or whatever. People from Barrie or Hamilton might not consider themselves Torontonians, but that doesn't change the fact that they're commuting into the GTA for jobs (and vice versa). The Golden Horseshoe is one giant contiguous urban area at this point thats centered around Toronto. Its the perfect comparison to the Bay Area or Chicagoland.

I'm pretty sure the statistic is that 90%+ of Hamilton residents live and work in Hamilton. That would make it pretty different from say, SF/SJ. Of course the region is -economically- interconnected, but culturally, I would say, they are very far apart. Each city feels very different and disconnected from the next. Saying Fort Erie is a part of Greater Toronto is like saying Gatineau is a part of Greater Montreal.

DopeyFish said it best I think. If the Golden Horseshoe were real real, Buffalo would be a part of Toronto.

 

[Divvy]

Spoiler

and a shitty hockey team, go Sabres go!

.

Watch yo self!

 

[IISANDERII]

Now his sister and mother are also saying that he needs help. There must be tremendous amounts of pressure

Spoiler

[on his pants button]

 

[jstripes]

Now his sister and mother are also saying that he needs help. There must be tremendous amounts of pressure

Spoiler

[on his pants button]

But they didn't go as far as to say he should take time off to get help.

 

[Divvy]

Bubububu he works so hard, at city hall everyday!

Except the days where he shows up at noon and leaves at 3*

*

Spoiler

everyday

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Rob Ford murder aerobics = 10/10

I am not one to normally post political polemics (at all) ... and to add to that, I generally avoid Huffington Post as I find it pretty skeezy... that said: this piece by Braithwaite really nailed it on the head, I think. Here's a quote:



Dear Toronto: You're Being Trolled By Ford Nation

I read that article, it's like an in-depth psych profile of Willectro.

 

[jstripes]

You know, the reason Wynne isn't touching this with a ten foot pole is because there's a provincial election next year. If she interferes, Ford Nation is gonna try to vote the Liberals out. (Not that they don't want to already, but they'll be even more rabid.)

 

[dragonfart28]

Psyc assessment of Ford's behaviour based on the video:

http://m.680news.com/2013/11/07/video-psychologist-reacts-to-latest-rob-ford-video/

 

[ivysaur12]

BAHAHAH OMG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v29T_mEkK4w

This is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life.

 

[Divvy]

This is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life.

It's so good it almost deserves its own thread

 

[Divvy]

Also i want to point to this amazing Toronto Life story on his mayoralty.

This bit particularly showcases just how insane the family is:

John Tory discovered it in 2003, when he was running for mayor against David Miller. Advised that he ought to seek out the blessing of Ford’s father, who was then regarded as the reigning power broker in Etobicoke, Tory arranged a lunch date with the retired MPP. When he arrived, he found Doug Sr. waiting to size him up along with Diane and all three of their burly blond sons. After an hour of pleasant chatter, Diane Ford got to the point. “She said, ‘Well, we think you’re a pretty good fellow and we’re going to support you for mayor,’ ” Tory recalls. “ ‘You can serve for a couple of terms and then it’ll be Robbie’s turn.’ ”

http://www.torontolife.com/informer/features/2012/05/15/rob-ford-the-weirdest-mayoralty-ever/