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[Boogie]

C'mon dude. They observed Ford drunk driving and exchanging packages with known drug dealers. And Ford wasn't just passing through the neighborhood buying an ounce of weed — he was setting up house, paying bills, handing out jobs and shit. People have been hauled down to the police station for a lot less.

1) at no point, so far as we know, did police have ford under surveillance while they had grounds to believe he was driving impaired.

2) as for those handoffs, that does NOT constitute grounds for arrest and search of his vehicle. Trust me.

3) the last collection of claims you made we do not have solid proof of, those have not been established beyond speculation.

Edit: also, in regards to "people have been hauled into the station for less", in a resource-intensive, sensitive investigation, you don't haul in the suspect in on a long shot, because if he doesn't crack and you get nothing, you're done.

And in that case, of course everyone would be bitching about the police "fucking it up" even more.

 

[jstripes]

You know Ford's in trouble when The Sun has an editorial with this title:

Mayor Ford? Not now. Not ever.

 

[Oppo]

Boogie, isn't there a direct report of police observing the mayor throwing away liquor bottles and then driving off? That would get anyone pulled over typically, I would think.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

You know Ford's in trouble when The Sun has an editorial with this title:

Mayor Ford? Not now. Not ever.

Sun News writes one negative article about Ford and then they write 10 articles about how he's not all that bad compared to some others.

What I find more nasty than the fact they're so opinionated for a news source is that they're not even consistent. Just whatever goes with the flow. Whatever makes ROC more (capital C) Conservative and warped from reality so it polarizes and clashes with Quebec.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

2) as for those handoffs, that does NOT constitute grounds for arrest and search of his vehicle. Trust me.

Wait, actually? I'd always been told stuff like the cops can take your car apart down to the bolts if they even suspect you have drugs in there. That's what really gets me about this whole thing, is that he was never just nabbed for possession when he was obviously holding.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Wait, actually? I'd always been told stuff like the cops can take your car apart down to the bolts if they even suspect you have drugs in there. That's what really gets me about this whole thing, is that he was never just nabbed for possession when he was obviously holding.

Depends on your lawyer.

Anyways, there were rumors Ford and Lisi knew they were being followed and were doing dead drops. It'd be funny if that were true, because now they can't prove they weren't exchanging drugs.

 

[enzo_gt]

So.. is this dude getting charged for something or what?

 

[Boogie]

Wait, actually? I'd always been told stuff like the cops can take your car apart down to the bolts if they even suspect you have drugs in there. That's what really gets me about this whole thing, is that he was never just nabbed for possession when he was obviously holding.

No no no no. No.

For a lawful search of a vehicle you need:

A) a lawful arrest. Reasonable grounds to believe the person committed an offence. A legal standard quite beyond mere suspicion.

B) then, for the search, you need to be able to articulate that conducting the search is reasonable to find evidence related to the offence for which you arrested the person.

B) is easy when in A) you have a drug arrest. But, professionally speaking, given the scenario as reported, the grounds are shaky and I would not feel comfortable taking such action.

Anyone who says the grounds were a slam dunk in that situation either has no knowledge of search and seizure law in Canada, and has no conception of having to defend the reasons for an arrest and search on the stand and under cross examination, or has a disingenuous agenda (ie. Clayton Ruby)

 

[Boogie]

Boogie, isn't there a direct report of police observing the mayor throwing away liquor bottles and then driving off? That would get anyone pulled over typically, I would think.

We must be careful on this point. I have not seen anything to suggest that, when investigators retrieved the vodka bottle, they still had Ford in sight under surveillance. If there was a time lag between when Ford drove away, and when they retrieved the bottle, then there would be no grounds after the fact to conduct an impaired arrest, unless they continually had him under surveillance while the bottle was retrieved. Even then, they might need additional grounds (ie. driving behaviour) for an impaired stop.

Given the Star article a couple weeks back where a police source was emphatic that the surveillance teams were given strict instructions to take enforcement action if impaired driving activity was observed, I feel it is reasonable to say that they weren't quite able to gather the grounds for an impaired stop at the time of that situation.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

If there was a time lag between when Ford drove away, and when they retrieved the bottle, then there would be no grounds after the fact to conduct an impaired arrest, unless they continually had him under surveillance while the bottle was retrieved. Even then, they might need additional grounds (ie. driving behaviour) for an impaired stop.

Wow...so if you ditch the cops for a while your wanted rating goes back to 1 star?

 

[Dyno]

The timeline of events has got me thinking.

The police were surveiling the Dixon Bloods when Rob Ford comes up again and again. The police don't act on this right away. Then Gawker mentions they may get a crack video and that's when the investigation is expanded to include the mayor specifically.

I'm thinking that if Gawker didn't sound off then Ford may have walked from all this. The police would have concluded the Dixon investigation, made their arrests, and Ford would have sailed away. In effect it seems they were willing to cover for him.

But then Gawker made their allegations and the police were put in a spot. They began surveilance on the mayor to cover their asses.

 

[yyzjohn]

The timeline of events has got me thinking.

The police were surveiling the Dixon Bloods when Rob Ford comes up again and again. The police don't act on this right away. Then Gawker mentions they may get a crack video and that's when the investigation is expanded to include the mayor specifically.

I'm thinking that if Gawker didn't sound off then Ford may have walked from all this. The police would have concluded the Dixon investigation, made their arrests, and Ford would have sailed away. In effect it seems they were willing to cover for him.

But then Gawker made their allegations and the police were put in a spot. They began surveilance on the mayor to cover their asses.

You could be right. Hopefully with the Ford brothers going all-out to attack the chief of police, there's a new and determined effort to get charges against him. You don't fuck with the police.

 

[Azih]

I don't know. It seems like the sense reporters got from Chief Blair's office was that the investigators watching the Bloods were incredibly irritated that Ford showing up messed with their surveillance (routine drug sweep becoming a political nightmare). It escalated to the Chief who kept everything as quiet as possible and put his best team on the case in a hush hush manner to keep Ford getting wind of it through his many police contacts.

From what I can tell Gawker messed with a very careful very deliberate attempt by the Blair to gather as much damning proof as possible on the mayor before they moved. I mean, I can't even imagine the WTF reactions when Ford first showed up at the crack house wanting to get high followed by a severe case of how the hell do we deal with this?

 

[Dyno]

I don't know. It seems like the sense reporters got from Chief Blair's office was that the investigators watching the Bloods were incredibly irritated that Ford showing up messed with their surveillance (routine drug sweep becoming a political nightmare). It escalated to the Chief who kept everything as quiet as possible and put his best team on the case in a hush hush manner to keep Ford getting wind of it through his many police contacts.

From what I can tell Gawker messed with a very careful very deliberate attempt by the Blair to gather as much damning proof as possible on the mayor before they moved. I mean, I can't even imagine the WTF reactions when Ford first showed up at the crack house wanting to get high followed by a severe case of how the hell do we deal with this?

Unless I'm not understanding the events, Robbie appeared on their radar for a couple months (April/May) during the Traveller projects but wasn't targeted until Brazen, which took place after the Gawker reveal.

 

[Azih]

Unless I'm not understanding the events, Robbie appeared on their radar for a couple months (April/May) during the Traveller projects but wasn't targeted until Brazen, which took place after the Gawker reveal.

Yeah that would change things possibly. But even then, the Gawker story was dead until Blair ignited the whole thing with his "disappointed" press conference.

 

[Blackhead]

1) at no point, so far as we know, did police have ford under surveillance while they had grounds to believe he was driving impaired.

2) as for those handoffs, that does NOT constitute grounds for arrest and search of his vehicle. Trust me.

3) the last collection of claims you made we do not have solid proof of, those have not been established beyond speculation.

Edit: also, in regards to "people have been hauled into the station for less", in a resource-intensive, sensitive investigation, you don't haul in the suspect in on a long shot, because if he doesn't crack and you get nothing, you're done.

And in that case, of course everyone would be bitching about the police "fucking it up" even more.

Alright, I'll keep trusting the Toronto Police on this one. It's just that Ford has a pattern of dangerous driving (using the phone, reading while driving) and yet somehow he's still allowed on the road. I'm more concerned he'll kill a fellow commuter out of road rage than he'll sell off the city while on crack. Best case scenario Ford is forced to use the public transit to get to work for a week or two (he'll just get another driver anyway)

Yeah that would change things possibly. But even then, the Gawker story was dead until Blair ignited the whole thing with his "disappointed" press conference.

Well the press conference was prompted because the judge opened up some of the court documents. At that point Blair had little choice but to confirm that the video exists.

 

[jstripes]

I don't know. It seems like the sense reporters got from Chief Blair's office was that the investigators watching the Bloods were incredibly irritated that Ford showing up messed with their surveillance (routine drug sweep becoming a political nightmare). It escalated to the Chief who kept everything as quiet as possible and put his best team on the case in a hush hush manner to keep Ford getting wind of it through his many police contacts.

From what I can tell Gawker messed with a very careful very deliberate attempt by the Blair to gather as much damning proof as possible on the mayor before they moved. I mean, I can't even imagine the WTF reactions when Ford first showed up at the crack house wanting to get high followed by a severe case of how the hell do we deal with this?

I have a suspicion this may be the case. The police were trying to get hard evidence on him, because you can't charge someone in his position without something tangible to back it up. Then Gawker blew it open, and the Fords quickly covered their tracks.

Unless Rob is incredibly sloppy, and messes up in some drunken stupor, there's virtually zero chance of getting any hard evidence on him now.

But then again, we haven't seen everything. Just the stuff they used to get a warrant for Lisi. The force may still have a few cards they haven't played yet.

So.. is this dude getting charged for something or what?

Well, I was talking to a cop yesterday, and he says there's rumblings something may be coming soon. He admitted there's intense public pressure on the police to do something about it.

 

[jstripes]

The Sun is getting brutal.

 

[explodet]

The Sun is getting brutal.

I read a lot of newspapers back in the mid-nineties, including the Sun. They always had a knack of publishing the wost photos for almost every politician.

I would like to think that this is a typical MO for a tabloid newspaper, but that's just speculation and I have absolutely no evidence to back that up.

 

[shadow101]

At the start of 2013, this guy was on some weight loss plan. The city was doing "Loose it with Mayor". They found him feasting on some yummy food. I think he gained more than loosing.

 

[Divvy]

At the start of 2013, this guy was on some weight loss plan. The city was doing "Loose it with Mayor". They found him feasting on some yummy food. I think he gained more than loosing.

Yeah but to be fair, the scale did try to kill him

 

[jstripes]

Yeah but to be fair, the scale did try to kill him

Hey, would you want that guy standing on you every day?

 

[diaspora]

In case y'all missed it the Ford-Black interview will re-air on Vision TV on midnight.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

Ford calls journalist Daniel Dale. a paedo.

edit: video of said spoiler.

 

[gabbo]

In case y'all missed it the Ford-Black interview will re-air on Vision TV on midnight.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

Ford calls journalist Daniel Dale. a paedo.

edit: video of said spoiler.

He tap dances around slander like a prima ballerina

 

[Coldsnap]

I love this guy.

 

[diaspora]

Star lawyers getting involved now.

 

[Zombie James]

In case y'all missed it the Ford-Black interview will re-air on Vision TV on midnight.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

Ford calls journalist Daniel Dale. a paedo.

edit: video of said spoiler.

Again he's throwing his own children in front of this mess. This guy's the most pathetic excuse for a human being in a lot of ways.

 

[jstripes]

My Scarborough in-laws still worship him as a money-saving hero.

*sigh*

Spoiler

Our debate the other night was like arguing against a brick wall.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

My Scarborough in-laws still worship him as a money-saving hero.

*sigh*

Spoiler

Our debate the other night was like arguing against a brick wall.

I'm pretty sure that's how all arguments with the in-laws go.

 

[gabbo]

Star lawyers getting involved now.

...Maybe I spoke too soon.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

The Death of a Mayor: The Tragic End of Rob Ford - Taiwanese Animators

 

[Kraftwerk]

The Death of a Mayor: The Tragic End of Rob Ford - Taiwanese Animators

umm..I did not expect that..

:"(

 

[Dark Octave]

The Death of a Mayor: The Tragic End of Rob Ford - Taiwanese Animators

Someone put a lot of effort into this, but why?

I'm out of the loop, what ties does Taiwan have to Rob Ford?

 

[Azih]

Someone put a lot of effort into this, but why?

I'm out of the loop, what ties does Taiwan have to Rob Ford?

Taiwan has ties to EVERYTHING.

 

[Stet]

Someone put a lot of effort into this, but why?

I'm out of the loop, what ties does Taiwan have to Rob Ford?

I think they designed and assembled his morality chip.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

How to properly wear a football jersey to legislature

 

[dubq]

Someone put a lot of effort into this, but why?

The same reason it's on late night comedy stuff. It gets views.

 

[SBH]

umm..I did not expect that..

:"(

Me neither...

Smoke a rock for the homie.

 

[Dyno]

More shenanigans. Brother Doug was playing fat cat around the peasantry, doling out twenties from a stack in Etobicoke. This is some ole timey vote buying!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...out-20-bills-to-constituents/article15920479/

Mr. Ford was filmed by a CBC television crew Wednesday night at a Toronto Community Housing building in his Etobicoke ward distributing toys and peeling off $20s from a stack in his hand for the crowd.

This is the part that messes me up thought.

Asked if he plans to formally complain about Mr. Ford’s actions, Mr. Perks said he could not even think of the right measure. “It’s so far outside of any civilized norm for government behaviour that I can’t think of a mechanism that is an appropriate response,” he said.

I've mentioned this aspect of the Ford case before. It's not just that the there is different justice for the elites, there is a lack of legislation, of rules, to hold them accountable. Here we have an elected politician who is handing out bribes, utterly crooked behaviour in front of a camera and there is no appropriate response on the books. The so-called rule book to govern these people is empty, it's pages blank. It's like that so these kinds of people aren't as accountable in their work as we have to be.

There are no applicable measures, according to Councillor Perks. Nobody ever wrote anything up as a check to the power these people have. It's just so far outside of any civilized norm! Well oh my stars and garters! Bad politicians?!? In 2013?!?

Well I guess you'd better get on it seeing that you're legislators.

 

[SRG01]

It's just a sombre look at where his self-destructive behavior could end up. It might be a bit hyperbolic, but the point is on the mark.

 

[Kraftwerk]

More shenanigans. Brother Doug was playing fat cat around the peasantry, doling out twenties from a stack in Etobicoke. This is some ole timey vote buying!
.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Doug Ford's just applying SimCity 4 to real life.

How much self respect must you lack to accept that money. How degrading.

 

[Zips]

Things have quieted down a lot since Ford was stripped of his powers. It's not done until he's out of office though, so it's frustrating that it feels like the situation is accepted as is. Is it looking more and more like we just have to sit around with a neutered Ford for the rest of his term?

Absolutely ridiculous. After all that's happened he still gets to sit back, do nothing of value, and collect his taxpayer-fuelled salary - all because nobody stopped and thought, "Hey, we might want to plan for the event of having a real shitbag in office at some point."?

 

[Boogie]

Ladies and gentlemen; the white Clay Davis.

 

[BigJonsson]

Daniel dale if the star is suits rob for libel, it never ends

 

[Boogie]

Daniel dale if the star is suits rob for libel, it never ends

Okay, now once more, in English.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Okay, now once more, in English.

:lol

Daniel Dale of The Star sues Rob Ford for libel. It never ends.

 

[gabbo]

:lol

Daniel Dale of The Star sues Rob Ford for libel. It never ends.

Can you sue for libel based on implication alone?

 

[YoungHav]

Before this crack smoking bit, how was Rob Ford as mayor? Was he good lol?

 

[Onion_Relish]

Can you sue for libel based on implication alone?

Yep. There's a piece with his lawyer on CBC the nationals YouTube page