Rottenwatch: TRANSFORMERS Revenge of the Fallen
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omg rite said:
Because he's not right. A good amount of it is, and a good amount of it isn't. Beast Wars isn't, the IDW continuity isn't, the Furman run on the Marvel comic isn't. It could also be argued that Beast Machines isn't silly shit, it's just shit.
It's ridiculous to say that Transformers isn't full of stupid crap, and some intensely creepy stuff (thanks, Japan), but it's not all like that.
It's also ridiculous to expect a summer blockbuster film to not aim for as broad an audience as possible, though, so I don't know why people keep complaining that the Transformers movies are what they are. Even if Transformers didn't have as much silly shit as it does, successful summer blockbusters generally do, so to expect otherwise is absurd.
brandonh83
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I think this will be a repeat of my experience with the first movie:
1) hyped, trailers are awesome
2) watch it in absolute disgust
3) bash Michael Bay for a year
4) eventually pick up the Blu-ray because I'm a bitch and it will get amazing video and audio marks
5) warm up to it after a viewing or two for the visuals, action and music but still hate everything else
But I hope not. This time I know what to expect so I really hope I'm able to stomach all the stupidity bound to come with a Bay production "Criminals are HOT!" and just enjoy the feast. I'm not out to hate it, I'm really hyped for it and I'm begging that the shitty dialogue and ADD action cinematography is at least a bit more moderated this time. There seems to be a bit more wide shots in the battle scenes judging from the trailers, as well as more steady camerawork but we'll see.
1) hyped, trailers are awesome
2) watch it in absolute disgust
3) bash Michael Bay for a year
4) eventually pick up the Blu-ray because I'm a bitch and it will get amazing video and audio marks
5) warm up to it after a viewing or two for the visuals, action and music but still hate everything else
But I hope not. This time I know what to expect so I really hope I'm able to stomach all the stupidity bound to come with a Bay production "Criminals are HOT!" and just enjoy the feast. I'm not out to hate it, I'm really hyped for it and I'm begging that the shitty dialogue and ADD action cinematography is at least a bit more moderated this time. There seems to be a bit more wide shots in the battle scenes judging from the trailers, as well as more steady camerawork but we'll see.
Dead said:
Thats a hole in your argument though. Transformers is not a singular line, you can't hold one up and say this is the way it is all around. I've disagreed with mattkiel in the past but he was actually spot on in his response to you.
If you take the X-men movies as they are with no knowledge of the comics you would come away thinking they were goofy as well. If you want story development and characters read the Transformers comics, even the 80's but especially the Dreamwave/IDW current runs.
I would love nothing more but to see a full fledged Bay-less Transformers War Within movie. That would be anything but goofy, unfortunately CEO's and people in suits don't think people can handle things like a plot or a movie with just robots that have individual personalities. Doesn't mean Transformers as a whole hasn't "evolved" or is all "goofy".
NameGenerated
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First one was awesome, I hope this will be too.
Silicon Knight
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Where's the hype thread? Search is janked atm.
JimiNutz
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brandonh83 said:
There is still shitty dialogue, and juvenile comedy. In fact there's probably even more of it.
The action is significantly better though and easy to follow (I had no idea what was going on during most of the fights in the first one, but could follow most of the choreography in this easily.)
There is also a lot more action set-pieces, and the robots all look amazing.
There are still long sections with no action and all 'comedy', but this time when the action arrives it's fucking awesome.
Some of the comedy will probably make you giggle too, in a juvenile sort of way.
Final Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7InTpNWJ4HQ&fmt=22
And Bay is unhappy with Paramount..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090621/film_nm/us_transformers
And Bay is unhappy with Paramount..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090621/film_nm/us_transformers
Sapiens said:
This. If the movie targeted 20 somethings who grew up with the film, the movie would be different and look different. This movie tries to target everyone. It's not the 20 to 30 demographics fault that they got suckered into it too because it has the name Transformers on it.
SCULLIBUNDO
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At least the marketing for TF2 is better than FOX's big ticket for the year.
The Main Event
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Nice review :lol
Actually it was four out of five, but yeah still over-ratedDabanton said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2005/jul/22/2
I love how critics are piling on and attempting to outdo each other for the most over-the-top negative quote.
Michael Bay was completely right when he said critics come into his movies with a negative mindset. The fact that his flicks are (usually) such huge successes probably fuels their hatred too when they realize no one gives a shit about what they have to say.
kojacker said:Actually it was four out of five, but yeah still over-rated
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2005/jul/22/2
lol correction then. Even more funnier he said he only gave it four stars because he was going on holiday the next day. :lol
Whilst I really enjoyed Transformers RotF. If you can only see one film this week/month, go see Red Cliff. I know this word is horribly overused, but if any film is deserved of it, it's Red Cliff. Absolutely epic. It's like Troy met Kingdom of Heaven who met Gladiator who then had sex with Crouching Tiger and Hero to make the mother of all babies.
It's a war film of titanic proportions and with some amazing Manga like comic book esque appeal. The characters, the battles, the set pieces, the strategy's, all just brilliant stuff that'll keep you hooked from start to finish. It does suffer the RotF syndrome of being too intense and action packed, but here it's far more meaningful and well presented.
It's a war film of titanic proportions and with some amazing Manga like comic book esque appeal. The characters, the battles, the set pieces, the strategy's, all just brilliant stuff that'll keep you hooked from start to finish. It does suffer the RotF syndrome of being too intense and action packed, but here it's far more meaningful and well presented.
Dabanton said:
I can't seem to find an Official Red Cliff thread. But seriously, it deserves one. Only film that I thought was as entertaining all year for me personally is Star Trek. And I've seen pretty much every big movie that's come out thus far (thanks CineWorld Unlimited card!).
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NutJobJim said:
well here in florida I don't think there was a single college age guy who DIDN'T see Transformers when it first came out.
TOM f'N CRUISE
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2 more days 
and WTF at the pedo transformer shit :lol :lol
and WTF at the pedo transformer shit :lol :lolBudokaiMR2
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MattKeil said:
Ehhh you gotta give me a break.
Any iteration of Megatron there has ever been has been a ruthless treacherous bastard. He would never bow down to anyone. I mean unicron is higher up on the food chain than The Fallen and we all remember the awesome power struggle in the old movie right? 
BudokaiMR2 said:Ehhh you gotta give me a break.
Any iteration of Megatron there has ever been has been a ruthless treacherous bastard. He would never bow down to anyone. I mean unicron is higher up on the food chain than The Fallen and we all remember the awesome power struggle in the old movie right?
In that continuity, Megatron was the originator of the Decepticons to a large degree, and plus nobody had ever heard of Unicron. The Fallen is established mythology in most continuities in which he appears (including RotF), so Megatron would definitely fall in line should he show up. Unicron is the Chaos Bringer, and holds no ideals besides his quest to make all one with the Void. The Fallen is the Decepticon manifesto given form.
But yeah, that's some really intensely nerdy nitpicking on my part. :lol
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DMczaf said:
Watched it on IMAX. Looked great.
The movie was what I expected though: CRAP.
I guess this movie was supposed to appeal to teenagers. The amount of Linkin Park (even though I like them) and the American Pie vibe in this movie was so cringeworthy. It was quite embarassing.
The action was better in the first half, they showed a lot of the transforming sequence. Then the later half basically became Indiana Jones + robots. And it was soooooo drawn out too. We gotta find that thing. We found it. Optimus is so far away. Run. Explosions. Run. More explosions. Good lord it was so drawn out.
I havent watched the first one and I heard it's better. LOL.
If it werent for IMAX, I would have been a lot more harsh about it.
The movie was what I expected though: CRAP.
I guess this movie was supposed to appeal to teenagers. The amount of Linkin Park (even though I like them) and the American Pie vibe in this movie was so cringeworthy. It was quite embarassing.
The action was better in the first half, they showed a lot of the transforming sequence. Then the later half basically became Indiana Jones + robots. And it was soooooo drawn out too. We gotta find that thing. We found it. Optimus is so far away. Run. Explosions. Run. More explosions. Good lord it was so drawn out.
I havent watched the first one and I heard it's better. LOL.
If it werent for IMAX, I would have been a lot more harsh about it.
HomerSimpson-Man
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I'm glad I'm have work off Wednesday. Everything I've heard about the second is precisely what I wanted; bigger, more, epic, and explosive than the first with eyegasmic robot fighting mayhem taken to the next level.
Just two more days!
Just two more days!
HomerSimpson-Man
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JdFoX187 said:
I still need to get it on blu-ray. I watched the heck out of it from my original DVD release. I gotta say, the arrival of the Autobots is still so absolutely badass. The music used in that sequence was so damn grandiose.
All they have to do to indicate that he's talking is jiggle the mouth guard up and down a bit when he's speaking. IIRC he did that in Transformers 1. No need to remove it really. The designers said they wanted him to be able to emote more, but what's the point if he looks like a gorilla underneath? He can't emote very much if we can't take his design seriously. They should have known that. Other than that I don't have any problems with the designs of the bots. I actually like them quite a bit.
Extollere said:
I know, but people are so stupid so that's the reason they changed it. I heard it was because of test screening results or some shit.
I always remember that scene in Spider-man 1 where Spidey and Goblin are talking on the rooftop and just pretty much nodding a lot cause their masks are on.
McBradders
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Mediocre film is mediocre.
I think one scene (or shot) in particular is potentially going to generate alot of discussion here on GAF and elsewhere.
After the
and the resulting carnage sees some helicopters destroyed and serious destruction of buildings.
We see this in the trailer,
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When everyone returns to base there is a shot of the coffins of the dead soliders (complete with British and American flags draped over them!) killed in action by the Decepticons being removed from the planes.
Uhhh....what? Though I enjoyed the film (despite the fact it feels very flat for Bay film) in terms of tone it's all over the place. I could feel the audience I was watching it with become uneasy at this. What was Bay trying to say?
Is he trying to show respect to the brave men and women who lose their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan by having those killed in action against a giant wheel with arms shown full military honours....in a film based on some toys?
It's a very peculiar moment. It'll be interesting to hear what others thought/think of it.
After the
opening set piece in which a human/Autobot task force track down and destroy a Decepticon in Shanghai
We see this in the trailer,
it's the giant Decepticon (basically the giant wheel) that destroys the bridge as Optimus jumps and hangs on to it's 'neck'
When everyone returns to base there is a shot of the coffins of the dead soliders (complete with British and American flags draped over them!) killed in action by the Decepticons being removed from the planes.
Uhhh....what? Though I enjoyed the film (despite the fact it feels very flat for Bay film) in terms of tone it's all over the place. I could feel the audience I was watching it with become uneasy at this. What was Bay trying to say?
Is he trying to show respect to the brave men and women who lose their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan by having those killed in action against a giant wheel with arms shown full military honours....in a film based on some toys?
It's a very peculiar moment. It'll be interesting to hear what others thought/think of it.
McBradders
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Busty said:
It's a Micheal Bay film, I think you're thinking about it too hard. If anything I think it was just a somber moment as later on humans are getting messed up all over the place and nobody stops to go "Omg they died!" as, generally, there's zero time to do so because shit is blowing up. Everywhere.
McBradders said:
True. As I said before tonally the film is all over the place. When the aircraft carrier is destroyed (as seen in the trailer) we are told via a new report that 'all hands were lost'.
In amongst all the purile humour and shameless shots of a toned women wearing next to nothing at all it all felt very strange.
Busty said:
I think it 'grounded' it a bit more,i mean in the first film
in that massive battle in the street,i didn't see one person get seriously hurt,in this one you see people get crushed and blown up and soldiers being soldiers and being in the front line fighting, deaths are to be expected.
Obviously as a family film they can only push that sort of stuff so far
i mean no one wants to see a close up of a human blown to pieces by a Decepticon.
McBradders
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Busty said:
Yeah, but then other than Bad Boys and The Rock I don't think any Bay film has ever been even close to consistent throughout. However I feel I must say I really appreciated all the shots of Megan Fox glistening with sweat throughout, it was the only thing that made it bearable outside of the forest fight.
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