UK_Resistance
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I have a new Pstwo and was wondering if it is better to get an S-Video cable or Component cable for it? My TV is a 20" Samsung HDTV LCD.
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S-Video or Component Cable for PS2?
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Do The Mario
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Component bitch.
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Im rick james!
CompositeMolar
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Component of course.
UK_Resistance
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Does Sony sell an official Component cable or do I have to buy a 3rd party cable? Does it matter is one manufacturer better than another?
CompositeMolar
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UK_Resistance said:
Sony sell official Component cable.
Woch [Eol]
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UK_Resistance said:
Man, you must get this:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-n-70-dii.html
Cheers
Reilly said:
Why? Even when interlaced, good component cables will generally give your a (very slightly) surperior picture and s-video doesn't support progressive scan. S-video was great in its day, but there's not a whole lot of point in using it these days on any semi-modern TV.
CompositeMolar
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Andy787 said:
I have 36" 4:3 hdtv and on that thing some games (IE: ICO) are not to good looking. But I also have a 20" cheap 100$ tv that support component and it looks great on that.
It's all about size...and the quality of the scaler.Yann said:
ICO runs in low-res though, so it's tough to get a good picture on an HD set. It looked absolutely terrible on most HDTVs I've used, but my current Sony HD set (CRT) does an amazing job with scaling interlaced images. ICO actually looks very good. It's pixelated, but that's the only major flaw. A lot of other TVs end up deliver a blurry, blocky mess when displaying ICO...
Myoclonic Jerk
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Component Cable for GameCube...
Myoclonic Jerk
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SanjuroTsubaki said:
wrong
some games look worse with component on the PS2 believe it or not.
No, that's not true. Not at all.almokla said:
If you were to use the same TV with component and s-video, the image would appear very very similar (provided you aren't in 480p). The difference is that component would deliver superior colors and no bleeding. The actual sharpness of the image will be virtually the same.
Myoclonic Jerk
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actually WE looked much better without the component cabel, the jaggies were unbareable.
and I wasn't comparing it with S-Video
and I wasn't comparing it with S-Video
Woch [Eol]
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Component cables are good only for certain titles (Soul Calibur II, Tekken 5, God of War, imminent Soul Calibur III...) ...you should know this. And the best option for all remaining titles is Scart Cable. It's my opinion.
almokla said:
See, that really isn't the fault of component cables though. Same thing with the Xbox, PS2 and my HDTV is when you make the picture sharper and especially on bigger TV's you will see the jaggies and all the other imperfections more. It all depends on how the game is made or not. That's why i'm hoping next gen developers take all that into consideration more when they are making games and not being lazy. It's great and all that MS is demanding 720p support in all games and im sure Sony will follow suit, but i'm still hoping the developers don't take the lazy way out with it.
Progressive is 480p.
And <shrug> Winning Eleven is the primary reason I hunted down a switchbox to get my PS2 back on component; it was too blurry and washed out with S-Video. I know S-Video is generally quite sharp but I guess I was too spoiled by Component that it looked worse than it really was.
And <shrug> Winning Eleven is the primary reason I hunted down a switchbox to get my PS2 back on component; it was too blurry and washed out with S-Video. I know S-Video is generally quite sharp but I guess I was too spoiled by Component that it looked worse than it really was.
MidgarBlowedUp
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HDMI > Japanese RGB > RGB > Monster Brand Component > Component > Monster Bran S-Video > S-Video > Monster Brand Composite > Composite.
The difference when using Monster brand is small but the Monster's do seem to bring the colors out a little better, games like FFX benefit from this, and the Monster cables seem to keep interference out as well. In other words, there IS a difference with Monster brand but it is very small.
S-Video is no more jaggie than component, if not worse.
If your TV is a CRT and is calibrated properly (part of calibration means sharpness is 0 and Velocity Scan is off) then you actually get less jaggies when using component cables than S-video.
It can also work the other way around with composite, as composite dirties up the image.
But composite also blurs the image where component keeps it clean.
RGB = Pure signal (Arcade)
Component = Next best thing.
Everything under that is compressed, and that adds jaggies, especially with low res texture PS2 games.
The difference when using Monster brand is small but the Monster's do seem to bring the colors out a little better, games like FFX benefit from this, and the Monster cables seem to keep interference out as well. In other words, there IS a difference with Monster brand but it is very small.
S-Video is no more jaggie than component, if not worse.
If your TV is a CRT and is calibrated properly (part of calibration means sharpness is 0 and Velocity Scan is off) then you actually get less jaggies when using component cables than S-video.
It can also work the other way around with composite, as composite dirties up the image.
But composite also blurs the image where component keeps it clean.
RGB = Pure signal (Arcade)
Component = Next best thing.
Everything under that is compressed, and that adds jaggies, especially with low res texture PS2 games.
I bought the sony component cable from newegg the other day for my PSTwo, looks way better than svideo for sure
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16879100014
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16879100014
Can anyone recommend a good/cheap component switch box, it's only to be used between my PS Two and my Progressive Scan DVD Player, both of them at 480p.
I need something without quality degradation or ghosting. I think I saw one at WalMart from Pelican, that even came with a set of component cables for around $20. Is this one any good ?
I found the link for the wal mart switch box
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3910180
I need something without quality degradation or ghosting. I think I saw one at WalMart from Pelican, that even came with a set of component cables for around $20. Is this one any good ?
I found the link for the wal mart switch box
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3910180
GitarooMan
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Sh0k said:
I doubt it. Good component switchboxes require a lot of bandwidth. For 20 bucks it may work, but your quality is likely to suffer
This is the box that I have
http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/1154a.asp
It's pricey (but actually cheaper than some of the real quality ones. The good thing is that it's auto-switching. For me, it's been worth every penny. I've got my GC, Xbox, PS2, and DVD hooked up to it.
Yes and No, depending on your HDTV.almokla said:
If you have an HDTV or above (LCD, Plasma) the S-Video is still a waste of time. It depends on how you have your screen set up. On my TV I would tell that your correct saying S-Video is better, but if you make a few adjustments to the picture (screen size, tv setup) it looks about the same as S-Video if not better.
I'm not saying its a huge jump with most 480i games, but you noticed not much of a different and have the ability to go 480p or higher without switching any cables.
So I'm not arguing your statement I know what your talking about, there just isn't that much of a difference and he is better spending is money on the more important cable.
Listen to this man on this though. The GCUBE's 480p and Widescreen options USUALLY look the very best of all the systems. F-Zero GX makes me want to cum.almokla said:
UK_Resistance
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Based on comments here 
I did pick up a Sony Component cable at Circuit City last night and when playing NCAA Football 2006 I can actually read the text on screen from a distance and the colors look more vibrant as well on my 20" HD LCD screen!
I did pick up a Sony Component cable at Circuit City last night and when playing NCAA Football 2006 I can actually read the text on screen from a distance and the colors look more vibrant as well on my 20" HD LCD screen!
FeedMeAStrayCat
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Has anyone used those MadCatz Universal Component Cables which can be used with teh PS2 and Xbox? I'm considering getting those over the official Sony ones, because they are half the price..
MidgarBlowedUp
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Biglesworth23 said:
Mad Cats work fine, that is what I used before I went to Monster, which are MUCH better!
MidgarBlowedUp
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I think what throws people off is that all your connections, at least in newer TV's, are set up differnetly from one another. On my Sony Wega S-Video, composite, and component, all have their own settings in the service menu. These settings are setup different from one another from the factory. This means, sub sharpness, velocity scan modulation, gamma, etc, etc, etc, for each input can all be completely different. It sort of makes sense because each input is getting a different signal.
In other words, if you connect S-Video and think it looks worse than component you need to readjust your component settings. They are setup differently than your S-Video.
As an example the service menu setting for sharpness on my Sony is something like SVHP.
From the factory it was set at 12. So even when I turned sharpness off in the user menu it was still set at 12.
My Component service menu sharpness was something like CVHP at it was set to 18 from the factory. With the user menu turned down to 0 Component signals were still at 18.
It wasn't until after I turned the service menu sharpness adjustments down to 0 that I saw noticed how much clearer and less aliased Component actually was over S-Video. There were also tons of other settings that are unique to each input I had to adjust. My settings are about as good as I can get them without professional help yet my S-video colors are a tad different than my component video colors. However, part of that could simply be the different cables, S-Video vs Component. And the fact that Wega's always have too much red.
*added*
To take this even further and get more technical with it, you also need to calibrate your TV to the input device you are using.
For instance, let's say I have my PS2 and DVD player connected via a switchbox and component. I take my calibration DVD and use my DVD player to make all the calibration adjustments on my TV. My DVD movies look excellent but I notice that my PS2 games appear dark and the colors appear to have a slight green tint to them.
This is because my DVD player is made from different electronical components than my PS2, or the output displays are made from completely different manufacturers, and from the factory, each unit has been built, adjusted, etc, differently from the other.
If I go back and adjust the TV to my PS2's DVD player my games look perfect but my DVD player may look to bright and have a light red tint.
The above was an example, and probably won't happen with component inputs.
But I could see this happen with S-Video since that signal is further away from RGB.
For the record, with my Xbox connected to the same input as my PS2 I notice my Xbox is WAY brighter with it's output than my PS2 is. This is why I have them on seperate inputs.
In other words, if you connect S-Video and think it looks worse than component you need to readjust your component settings. They are setup differently than your S-Video.
As an example the service menu setting for sharpness on my Sony is something like SVHP.
From the factory it was set at 12. So even when I turned sharpness off in the user menu it was still set at 12.
My Component service menu sharpness was something like CVHP at it was set to 18 from the factory. With the user menu turned down to 0 Component signals were still at 18.
It wasn't until after I turned the service menu sharpness adjustments down to 0 that I saw noticed how much clearer and less aliased Component actually was over S-Video. There were also tons of other settings that are unique to each input I had to adjust. My settings are about as good as I can get them without professional help yet my S-video colors are a tad different than my component video colors. However, part of that could simply be the different cables, S-Video vs Component. And the fact that Wega's always have too much red.
*added*
To take this even further and get more technical with it, you also need to calibrate your TV to the input device you are using.
For instance, let's say I have my PS2 and DVD player connected via a switchbox and component. I take my calibration DVD and use my DVD player to make all the calibration adjustments on my TV. My DVD movies look excellent but I notice that my PS2 games appear dark and the colors appear to have a slight green tint to them.
This is because my DVD player is made from different electronical components than my PS2, or the output displays are made from completely different manufacturers, and from the factory, each unit has been built, adjusted, etc, differently from the other.
If I go back and adjust the TV to my PS2's DVD player my games look perfect but my DVD player may look to bright and have a light red tint.
The above was an example, and probably won't happen with component inputs.
But I could see this happen with S-Video since that signal is further away from RGB.
For the record, with my Xbox connected to the same input as my PS2 I notice my Xbox is WAY brighter with it's output than my PS2 is. This is why I have them on seperate inputs.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Ponn01 said:
so, some games look worse with component cable. and that's what I've said
MidgarBlowedUp
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almokla said:
Not true.
See my above post.
GitarooMan
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almokla said:
I think people here have different conceptions of "worse." Technically, component cables will always show more detail and therefore will always be "better". However, on good TV's playing older games or games with bad graphics that extra detail will expose the flaws in the graphics and make the games look "worse"
So a game could look better in one way and worse in another. IMO, the benefits far outweigh the weaknessess of using component cables this generation. Using component cables with a 50inch TV playing PS1 games or some PS2 games with a lot of jaggies though is not going to help much over S-Video. The colors will be better, but as people have said it may look blurry or enhance the jaggies.
DVDs are not a good comparison, BTW. Note that there are no polygon jaggies, tearing or blurry textures in a DVD that are exposed using higher detail levels. In addition, 99% of DVD's are in 480p, where component is definitely preferable, while a lot of PS2/PS1 games are in 480i