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[CertifiedFP]

Nah, a lot of people hated that it wasn't done by Obsidian / play like New Vegas. And 90% of those people would bring up the same White Glove Society quest line as proof of this. That quest was quoted time and time again in the same thread.

You ever pay a visit to No Mutants Allowed? Those guys, whom I meant in particular, are still in denial/rage that Tactics was the best selling Fallout game. At a mere 200k.

Anyway, as for the people bitchmoaning that Sony revoked your free season-passes but honored other pricing (Emphasis on the word Price) errors:

There was an actual transaction occurring with those errors. It is accepted precedent that content accidentally given away for free can be revoked, as with Halo 4 accidentally giving EVERYONE its season pass for free and then revoking it from non-buyers soon after.

At least Sony isn't coming up with some "14 Day Buy and Play" shit out of nowhere for this.

 

[NeonBlack]

Can you describe an analogous situation involving a real transaction in a real shop?

I don't think you can, because electronic shops, pre-orders, licensing, and all that stuff make this a fundamentally different sort of transaction.

Also, you used the word "sold," which doesn't apply here.

Bought Until Dawn from a BestBuy for $40 a week after launch because of a pricing error in the weekly ad.

Bought Hitman Complete season from amazon for $15.

Was a able to buy GCU from Best Buy for $10 when it was still being sold for $100.

Two of them have were physically bought and neither "revoked"

 

[Wagram]

Is everyone trying to get this for free because they bought The Witcher 3's season pass instead?

Kidding, but no surprise they will not honor it.

 

[NeoGold123]

That's bad pro-corporation BS. We've had this kind of shit for longer than any of us have been alive (taking advantage of erroneous pricing). It's not thievery, it's thrifty.

Ah yes, as thrifty as the ol' five finger discount you see at all the real world shops.

 

[CertifiedFP]

Bought Until Dawn from a BestBuy for $40 a week after launch because of a pricing error in the weekly ad.

Bought Hitman Complete season from amazon for $15.

Was a able to buy GCU from Best Buy for $10 when it was still being sold for $100.

Notice that you, uh... Actually spent money in those cases?

 

[-MD-]

Back to playing good games I guess

True.

 

[NeonBlack]

Notice that you, uh... Actually spent money in those cases?

All were still listed as pricing errors. Is the issue that they were given to them for free or that they took advantage of the system?

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

So...I see a lot of negative posts on Fallout 4 on neogaf, what are the issues? Visuals? RPG system downgraded from new vegas? Casuals design focus?

It does have its faults, but a lot of the hate here seems overblown. People were tearing it apart before it even came out.

 

[sensui-tomo]

could be worse, could have gotten free money for pre-ordering a game, cancel said pre-order, buy an item with $10 giftcard they gave, re-pre-order , repeat 5 times and get all the items for free. and then never ever get the item that was for pre-order on amazon.

 

[Mr. Nice_Guy]

I love how when you buy something and you change your mind "every sale is final", but when they make a mistake, the sale isn't final anymore.

This exactly. This is surprising and sets a precedence that I don't feel great about. Then again, I'm no expert on consumer law so maybe it doesn't.

 

[Liferebooted]

Not surprised they revoked them after they were horrible enough to almost double the price of the season pass after it had been out for months.

 

[BizzyBum]

It does have its faults, but a lot of the hate here seems overblown. People were tearing it apart before it even came out.

Yeah, the hate is absurdly overblown. It boils down to two major complaints: the dialogue system and continuing to water down the RPG elements. It also has the typical Bethesda hate like bland story.

Not saying these complaints aren't justified. The dialogue system is easily the worst thing about the game and I hope Bethesda completely trashes it for their future games. They probably won't, but if they do keep it they must make it much more varied.

 

[Murkas]

That's a shame, there were plenty of people who got the free season pass who didn't have the game and were gonna buy it, Bethesda probably gonna miss out on those sales.

 

[Tigress]

It isn't exactly stealing but it's getting something that costs money for free due to an accident. I'm not saying people who took advantage should feel all that bad, but neither can anyone complain when the error is corrected.

This is how I feel. If they let you keep it, great, you got lucky. If they decide not to honor it, oh well, it was not supposed to be free anyways. People getting salty and acting like Sony/Bethesda are in the wrong cause they revoked it are being unreasonable imho.

It reminds me of customers who think we have to honor a price at my store if a wrong tag is on it. We don't. In general we do cause we don't sell anything expensive enough it's worth pissing off the customer by refusing to take the loss (and in genera for our store it is the policy to just let the customer have it). But this doesn't mean all stores will do this (we mostly sell grocery like stuff so nothing that expensive). There is a line where a store will flat out say no because they really can't afford to take that loss.

 

[toddhunter]

That's a shame, there were plenty of people who got the free season pass who didn't have the game and were gonna buy it, Bethesda probably gonna miss out on those sales.

Maybe in terms of money. But you can bet all those free sales still make it into a "season pass sales up 1000%! People love them!!!" report.

You all got played.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Ah yes, as thrifty as the ol' five finger discount you see at all the real world shops.

Real-world pricing errors are a thing, you understand this, correct?

 

[kingwingin]

Notice that you, uh... Actually spent money in those cases?

Few months back MS sold the wireless windows 10 dongle and a controller for $29.99.

It was only supossed to be the dongle for $29.99 and they only shipped out the dongle. People complained and they sent out free controllers to everyone. So i spent $0 on a controller and got it shipped to me

About fallout 4, I cant believe they revoked the license, thats petty

 

[Spman2099]

Too easy, man.

smh

Too easy because it is true...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Probably the quickest they've ever fixed a bug too.

Ice cold.

But oh so true.

 

[Bumbletron]

Few months back MS sold the wireless windows 10 dongle and a controller for $29.99.

It was only supossed to be the dongle for $29.99 and they only shipped out the dongle. People complained and they sent out free controllers to everyone. So i spent $0 on a controller and got it shipped to me

About fallout 4, I cant believe they revoked the license, thats petty

But when you actually bought, and exchanged money for, the product, a huge difference was made. If they offer it for free and revoke, I don't believe there is any legal issue. In your case, they still legally had to offer you the controller or a refund as an actual money transaction was made. You did not spend $0 on a controller, you legally bought it and the dongle for 29.99.

 

[LiK]

wow, good job

 

[Pinko Marx]

Glad I didn't get in on this. Would have bought FO4 to take advantage of it. Wew.

 

[astroturfing]

who feels ok exploiting a glitch like that? getting $60 worth of content for free.. kind
of a shitty thing to do imo. unless you irrationally hate the company or something.

 

[Cranster]

Just really poor from a PR stand point to wait and do this now. Really a boneheaded move.

I keep hearing this about Bethesda but really it's Sony's blunder as it's their marketplace this glitch occurred on.

 

[NeoGold123]

Real-world pricing errors are a thing, you understand this, correct?

Yes, in fact I've taken advantage of them on more than a couple occasions. However, when it was clearly a pricing error, as in this case where a digital license with a typical cost of $50 was priced at $0, and there is no exchange of currency, then there is really no reason to be upset when this thing you got for free isn't honored.

For example, if I were to walk into a brick and mortar store and see a brand new game with a $0.00 price sticker on it, take it to a register and be denied the sale, there's no reason I should be upset. Why? Because logic tells us that this is an error which I knew of and was trying to take advantage of. In the same regard, if one were to see an item on a shelf, put it directly in one's pocket and walk out, one can't be upset when they are stopped by security because they knew it was wrong.

Now, we take these same real-world concepts and apply them to this digital "purchase"(with no actual money exchange, this is a stretch of the word). They knew in their heads that this price was an error when those who took advantage of this put the item in their cart. Why then should they reserve the right to be upset when this thing they knew they were taking advantage of was clearly an error?

If we were talking $5 or $10 error, then your "pro-corporation bs" comment would have a little more validity, but as it is you're calling what is actual business something that is it not. Say you're selling something on a shelf with a price tag under it, someone rips off that price tag and says "No, it didn't have a price on it. It's free.", would you give that item to them? Let's say you do, and the next person in line does the same thing. Do you give it to them as well? At what point do you return to trying to actually sell your product versus giving it at the price it is "advertised"?

This digital transaction was tantamount to stealing a full price item, and I can't think of any reason why someone would be upset, except for the "I got caught and can't have this now" crowd.

 

[El_Chino]

That's bad pro-corporation BS. We've had this kind of shit for longer than any of us have been alive (taking advantage of erroneous pricing). It's not thievery, it's thrifty.

If you say so...

 

[The Lone Courier]

Well this sucks but expected.

 

[oti]

Good.

I agree with this.

Guess you guys didn't get it during the glitch then.


Well, for me this means instead of getting the PS4 game now for 40€ new I'll just buy the complete edition during a Steam sale in a couple of years for 5€. I can wait. No problem. (This makes me sound way saltier then I am, I really wasn't planing on playing this before I got the free Season Pass. All's good.)

 

[injurai]

Oh, it's nothing.

 

[Caayn]

Well, there goes any chance that I'd buy the PS4 version of fallout 4.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Oh well.

It's not like I had any intention of buying the season pass, so it being revoked has had no impact on me.

This digital transaction was tantamount to stealing a full price item

No, it's not. Here's why it's not.

They priced it at £0.

This wasn't theft, nor was it stealing.

 

[GHG]

This really sucks from anyone who bought the main game of fallout 4 as a result of the season pass glitch. Will they also be offered a refund on the main game?

 

[Foffy]

Probably the quickest they've ever fixed a bug too.

I'm ded.

 

[JaseC]

Not surprising. Neither Bethesda nor Sony are charities.

Sony should do what Valve does and disallow the purchase of something that's been marked down to $0.00. Valve has separate sub types for free content for this very reason.

 

[AbandonedTrolley]

Ah well glad I was waiting for a sub £20 on the game before buying it. Guess I will wait a bit longer now.

 

[NeoGold123]

No, it's not. Here's why it's not.

They priced it at £0.

This wasn't theft, nor was it stealing.

Tantamount to meaning "virtually the same as", not "is". Comparing it to something doesn't make it that something. My point is that there is no reason for people to be upset for something being taken away they didn't even really pay for.

 

[GinoFelino]

Guess you guys didn't get it during the glitch then.


Well, for me this means instead of getting the PS4 game now for 40€ new I'll just buy the complete edition during a Steam sale in a couple of years for 5€. I can wait. No problem. (This makes me sound way saltier then I am, I really wasn't planing on playing this before I got the free Season Pass. All's good.)

Yep, true for me as well. The free season pass made me want to rebuy the game, after selling it shortly after launch.

Now I'll just wait until the GOTY edition is dirt cheap.

 

[El_Chino]

Guess you guys didn't get it during the glitch then.


Well, for me this means instead of getting the PS4 game now for 40€ new I'll just buy the complete edition during a Steam sale in a couple of years for 5€. I can wait. No problem. (This makes me sound way saltier then I am, I really wasn't planing on playing this before I got the free Season Pass. All's good.)

I'm already a season pass bolder, pre-glitch.

 

[Sweep14]

Wow first time I can ever remember this happening.

I got Killzone Shadow Fall for like 79p and Uncharted Golden Abyss for like 59p at launch and they let me keep them.

Sony published games...

 

[Decider]

This really sucks from anyone who bought the main game of fallout 4 as a result of the season pass glitch. Will they also be offered a refund on the main game?

You already know the answer to this.

 

[John Wick]

It's not the players fault ps store was legitimately selling the season pass for $0, it's PlayStations.

If I had gotten a pass, I'd be pretty pissed right now.

It'll state in the t&c's that Sony can't be held responsible for pricing errors probably.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

i think it's good that the DLC has been revoked. Why should you get it for free? Any purchases made by way of a bug/glitch/error or whatever should be revoked. If you want the game then pay for it.

Anyone who throws a fit about this is nothing but entitled and a scrounger.

 

[EGM1966]

So "paid" season passes obtained for free via a glitch revoked? Hardly shocking.

 

[Liamario]

Anyone who thinks this was stealing needs to get a life.
Anyone who feels hard done by the revoking of the licence also needs to get a life.

It's quite insulting that Sony are very quick to sort this out, but not so willing to sort out refunds for hacked accounts etc. I feel that's not very consumer friendly.


PS it's not stealing. The item was priced as free. There was no glitch/hack involved to obtain that price.

 

[Replicant]

Hmm...first time that a glitched item has been revoked?

Sony in the past doesnt really care if you got something free due to an error. I got Minecraft PS4 that way from some Euro store and nothing happened then.

Guess they are changing some PSN policies. Oh well, good things come to an end.

Pretty sure Bethesda wants their moneys and in this case it's just too much for Sony to cover. The other titles you mentioned probably are cheap enough for Sony to dismiss the difference or they are first party games.

I paid for the DLC before the incident though so this felt like much ado about nothing.

 

[AbandonedTrolley]

i think it's good that the DLC has been revoked. Why should you get it for free? Any purchases made by way of a bug/glitch/error or whatever should be revoked. If you want the game then pay for it.

Anyone who throws a fit about this is nothing but entitled and a scrounger.

Not that I care about it being revoked (I don't own the game yet), but I did buy it, I have the receipt to show that.

 

[xrnzaaas]

I remember the last thread when a lot of people were saying 'no way in hell they're revoking this'. Well it is 50$ so it can be quite a sum if for instance 1000 people managed to get the season pass for free. I don't mind at all that Sony is doing this since it was clearly a (costly) mistake, but imo it should've been done on the same day when the error happened and they should issue an apology acknowledging the mistake (and 'allowing' the people to keep the free theme ).

 

[Dandy Lyin]

I don't think shocking is the word I'd use.

 

[SolidusDave]

What's with the constant Fallout hate. Game ranked #7 in GAF's GOTY. Obviously a ton of people enjoy playing it.
Should threads about the similarly ranked Splatoon, Mario Maker or Until Dawn always have a side discussion about how much those games suck and warning people not to play them?!



@topic: I'm conflicted. In principle Sony should suck it up as their fault, like they've done before. But maybe so many people took advantage of that deal, that they would need to reimburse Bethesda. Considering that this about content in active development, it's maybe a bit more crucial to ensure money comes in compared to a released game having a pricing error.

I already bought the pass while it was still "cheap" though I bet I would have taken it for free. Even though morally, I think it's not really ok unless no Sony employee is responsible. Once I bought a meal at Burger King and they handed me a 50€ bill back instead of 5. I gave it back, probably because I know that person will have to suffer for it.
Either way, I wouldn't be mad at them for revoking the license. That's just extreme entitlement.

 

[Nuzzgok]

Well I don't really think this affects me. I was looking forward to having a reason to play it again today with the new content, but now I think I might just trade it in.

Is that a loss for Sony? I don't know