SHOCKING: 'Free' Fallout 4 season passes have been revoked
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GHG
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It's a good thing i don't need refunding then isn't it
.The point is, either Sony or Bethseda fucked up, one of them should foot the bill.
first time i've know of someone to revoke it. can't say i'm surprised it's Bethesda though. seeing as they raise the price of season pass in the first place.
tbh i only got it because it was free. i lost interest in the game pretty quick considering i loved fallout 3 and new vegas. so it's not a huge issue. it's not like there aren't better games to play right now.
tbh i only got it because it was free. i lost interest in the game pretty quick considering i loved fallout 3 and new vegas. so it's not a huge issue. it's not like there aren't better games to play right now.
Lmao
FeelTheKick
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I was actually considering buying the game because of this but now *shrug*, No real loss here
Silent Chief
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This is like when you pay with a 50 bill and the cashier gives you back $80 in change.
Handy Fake
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Or someone leaves the garage door open and you make off with their bicycle.
It's a good thing i don't need refunding then isn't it
The point is, either Sony or Bethseda fucked up, one of them should foot the bill.
Right, I imagine it was a person or persons responsible from within Sony so imagine it was Sony's mistake. I don't think anyone can fault Bethesda wanting their 10s of 1000s (plus) of money and maybe Sony didn't want to take the hit.
But of course it's Bethesda who are at fault
AbandonedTrolley
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Not really, as we told Sony we were taking it, they didn't stop us at the time. They were even kind enough to send me a letter saying thanks for taking it. Shouldn't be stamping feet after the event.
Simply Sami
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How have they fucked you though? It was a pricing error. Why should they honour it? What about the people who paid full price?
Encouraging charge backs too, which is sad.
Encouraging charge backs too, which is sad.
not really.
it's like being at a garage sale, a bicycle being listed as free, you going to the owner, saying. "i'm just going to take this, is that ok?" them saying, "yes" and giving you a receipt. and then a week later them knocking on your door, walking through your house and taking it back despite possibly buying a new bicycle helmet and some new lights and a water bottle due to the new bike you got for free.
AbandonedTrolley
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I think they only ones they have possibly fucked are those that then went on to purchase Fallout 4 on the back of having gotten the season pass for free. Other than that, no one has really been done out of anything.
I don't care about it, but I do feel that they should have just taken it on the chin and accepted that they fucked up.
There was no 'glitch' people didn't have to go through hoops to get this price, it was a zero priced item on the store. No glitching or circumventing was required.
PartTimeWarrior
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It's a good thing i don't need refunding then isn't it
The point is, either Sony or Bethseda fucked up, one of them should foot the bill.
No they shouldn't?
But they didn't "fuck" anyone. They reversed a glitch.
blame space
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good analogies guys. Keep em coming.
Human interaction vs an automated system that doesn't know any better. The owner would definitely have not sold the bike if he didn't want to
you think the game automatically got listed by what? the terminator? your saying there was no human input at all? ha!
AbandonedTrolley
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How is that the purchasers fault? It's not, Sony are responsible for their systems, not us.
Gamer @ Heart
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Come the fuck on. A technical glitch doesn't make digital squatters legitimate customers.
The human would not have sold you the bike if you asked him about it. If you personally asked for the free season pass in person which was listed as free that person would have realized it was a mistake and not give it to you.
Not really
It's more like going to a store like ASDA/Tesco/etc and taking an item with a barcode to an automatic till and when scanning it it says £0.00 and you thinking that makes sense and is totally a legit purchase and not making it clear to any employee that there is a pricing error.
But luckily, because you are not handling an actual item and only the promise of an item the storefront owner can rectify the error before huge losses are met when a load of people find out and try and fuck the system
stores can have a "all sales are final" policy and I can't?
Simply Sami
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Those people should have waited a few weeks. Wait until the dust has settled.
Like I said. What about the people who paid for it? It's not going to be fair on them that people are getting it for free. Bethseda and Sony did the right thing. Bethseda don't care about the people who are pissed off about not getting something for free.
This is so utterly wrong.
Let's say you are on a flea market and you see a really good looking bike, you expect it to cost something like 100 going by your past experiences with bikes and just common sense. You ask the seller how much it costs and they tell you 1. 1?! That's pretty cheap for a bike! Of course you say yes (ONE EURO) and take your new shiny bike with you. Five hours later the police knocks on your door. Turns out the seller stole the wonderful bike and tried to get rid of it on the flea market. But you didn't know, you tell the police officers. It's ok, they respond. You won't get into trouble but you have to give it back. Ok, you say, crying on the inside.
Now, Sony is a professional seller. It should't be any of our concern whether their backend displays prices correctly or not. But since there is such a thing as common sense everybody knew there was something wrong with the Season Pass being 0. You're not a thief if you tried to grab it for free but you shouldn't expect to keep it either. Common sense.
AbandonedTrolley
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Happens all the time in stores, but they don't come to the owners house and take it back. Not sure what your point is.
Vincent Grayson
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None of the real world analogies are of worth here. This is just as dumb as when people suggest piracy is akin to walking into a store and taking a game for free.
The sale of physical and digital items is different. It always has been, and barring some major legal challenges, always will be.
You acquired a license for $0 that was meant to be sold for $50. You shouldn't be at all surprised that it was revoked.
It doesn't make you a thief by any means, but I just can't wrap my head around being indignant that the thing you "bought" for the erroneous price of $0 has been voided.
edit: and really, stop putting this on Bethesda. Sony controls the pricing on their stores. This was their mistake, and I'm guessing it was a big enough one in terms of number of passes "sold" that they couldn't justify just letting people keep it. It's not like Sony gets to pay Bethesda $0 per copy due to an error.
The sale of physical and digital items is different. It always has been, and barring some major legal challenges, always will be.
You acquired a license for $0 that was meant to be sold for $50. You shouldn't be at all surprised that it was revoked.
It doesn't make you a thief by any means, but I just can't wrap my head around being indignant that the thing you "bought" for the erroneous price of $0 has been voided.
edit: and really, stop putting this on Bethesda. Sony controls the pricing on their stores. This was their mistake, and I'm guessing it was a big enough one in terms of number of passes "sold" that they couldn't justify just letting people keep it. It's not like Sony gets to pay Bethesda $0 per copy due to an error.
Hentailover
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Well, if Sony wants, they can hire people to manually process any purchase. Sure, it's not physically feasible, but since we are arguing semantics, those don't care for feasibility.
A consumer should not care about what happens behind the scenes. he goes to PSN, he sees that it's free, he gets it. It's not a concern of a consumer to worry what is a pricing error, what is a human error and what is what. He came to a store he completed an officially presented transaction. Rest is on the store owners.
My point is the item was listed as free and was an error. Not £1 or $1, free. Who thinks that's legit?
The other point that people purchased the ability to download a digital product before it was even available. Now if they allowed people to download the game and then charge them - yes that's shitty, or let people download and play the game and then taking away the content making game saves useless - again shitty.
No-one walked out a store with a product
blankempathy
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People really upset because they couldn't take advantage of a clear mistake? Pricing errors happen. The other night street fighter v and a few games had pricing errors on amazon. Amazon isn't required to uphold those errors either. They simply do to keep their customers happy. Same with other retailers. I remember when best buy was accidentally selling metro redux I think for a penny due to a graphics card voucher glitch. Their Facebook was swarmed by people felt like they were owed something. It was embarrassing. When it comes to pricing errors you win some and you lose some. Be happy when you get away with one and there's no need to be pissed off when you don't. Now I'm going to go enjoy my new copy of project x zone 2.
AbandonedTrolley
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Yes it was an error, but the transaction was still made, as people are pointing out, Sony are the ones that claim all sales are final yet in this case they aren't and are revoking licences. The item was sold, it was sold erroneously for £0 but the receipt indicates a sale and transaction took place. I think the shear amount of the downloads and the fact it's not one of their products is the reason it's been taken back.
Sony don't want to be footing the bill for an error, when they still have to pay out to Bethesda, obviously they don't take so much of a hit in smaller transactions or their own first party stuff.
Simply Sami
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Amazon are hit and miss.
On Xbox elite controllers last year they cancelled orders due to pricing errors. Like you said you win some or lose some. But atleast with Amazon and Best Buy you actually are paying something.
bingo...i'd argue all errors of this type should be honored. it's isn't the consumers fault they managed to snag a bargain. the fact it may or may not be a pricing error is irrelevant.
I know some people on GAF hate Bethesda, but why do any of you think that they were involved in this decision?
Retailers who accidentally price something way below market value arent able to magically get out of paying the manufacturer's/publisher's cut. Sony decided that they didnt want to take a $42 loss on all of those accidentally free season passes. Case closed.
Retailers who accidentally price something way below market value arent able to magically get out of paying the manufacturer's/publisher's cut. Sony decided that they didnt want to take a $42 loss on all of those accidentally free season passes. Case closed.
blankempathy
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I'm sure it varies per how big the pricing error and how many orders were created. Some people got sfv cheap thanks to the error. Some who tried to order more then one had theirs canceled from what I read.
but it is relevant. Just because they screwed up doesn't mean you are entitled to capitalize on it. And let's not pretend like most consumers just happen to luck out. Lets be honest, these mistakes get posted and these so called innocent consumers try to take advantage for their own gain.
EvilKatarn
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To everyone saying no purchase took place - explain this!
Sony even tells me to print it and keep in a safe place for future reference! Sounds like at least they think it's an important and binding e-mail. But I guess the part they really want you to agree with is that there's no refunds.
Sony even tells me to print it and keep in a safe place for future reference! Sounds like at least they think it's an important and binding e-mail. But I guess the part they really want you to agree with is that there's no refunds.
AbandonedTrolley
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What glitch? You mean the pricing error? There was no glitch at all.
GitarooMan
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You get those when you get PS Plus games too. Guess those should not be revoked either even when you unsubscribe. Also, places like Best Buy often cancel price mistakes. I don't understand what is so offensive about this.
Handy Fake
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Seems some important information passed me by, apologies.
Mind, it might just be me, but if I got something that you're meant to pay for free due to a fuck up then I'd probably be on tenterhooks waiting for them to take it back.
I think pricing errors are covered in most retail outlets as well, it was probably just something they could leave on the backburner until it became an issue.
CaptainGyro
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they don't take it back because ...how would that work anyway? there's really nothing they can do
Shotgun Kiss
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Fucking hell; the amount of entitled people here is staggering.
I'm not calling out anybody who tried to take advantage of this; I would have done the same if possible. But I would have done so with the understanding that this could happen, and it would be entirely justified if it did.
It's only human to try and get something for free, but it's dickish to think you're *entitled* to it.
And stop making comparisons to getting something physical for free and then somebody coming into your house to take it away. That's fucking horseshit, and you're deluding yourself. Sony/Bethesda haven't taken anything away from you. You downloaded a season pass, which simply grants you access to the content that you don't actually have yet. An apt comparison would be if you managed to get a free ticket to an event/festival via a mistake. The organisers would reserve the right to refuse you entry.
Hell, if you do want to make the "somebody coming to your house and taking something physical away" analogy, then in order for that to be an apt comparison, Sony/Bethesda would need to come to your house and demand you to delete the "season pass" data from your PS4. Guess what; they're not doing that.
Yes, funny how a company might be more willing to allow you to keep something you actually paid for than something you got for free. Come on.
I'm not calling out anybody who tried to take advantage of this; I would have done the same if possible. But I would have done so with the understanding that this could happen, and it would be entirely justified if it did.
It's only human to try and get something for free, but it's dickish to think you're *entitled* to it.
And stop making comparisons to getting something physical for free and then somebody coming into your house to take it away. That's fucking horseshit, and you're deluding yourself. Sony/Bethesda haven't taken anything away from you. You downloaded a season pass, which simply grants you access to the content that you don't actually have yet. An apt comparison would be if you managed to get a free ticket to an event/festival via a mistake. The organisers would reserve the right to refuse you entry.
Hell, if you do want to make the "somebody coming to your house and taking something physical away" analogy, then in order for that to be an apt comparison, Sony/Bethesda would need to come to your house and demand you to delete the "season pass" data from your PS4. Guess what; they're not doing that.
Yes, funny how a company might be more willing to allow you to keep something you actually paid for than something you got for free. Come on.
Some countries have laws regarding such deals.
In some countries they will revoke that 1 € bike but in others you can actually keep it.
I find it quite absurd some gaffers feel entitled to keep the season pass because they took advantage of a pricing error.
It was a mistake that was rectified, you don't deserve shit unless you paid for it.
Lol pretty much!
It was a mistake that was rectified, you don't deserve shit unless you paid for it.
Lol pretty much!