SlipperySlope
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CoolS said:Ok, all you guys made me preorder the game
But I think for 30. I can't go wrong with all these possitive impressions.Looking forward to it.
Cool. Does your preorder come with a sound track?
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Silent Hill: Shattered Memories - |OT| of Not Your Father's Silent Hill
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Cool. Does your preorder come with a sound track?
SlipperySlope
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I'm probably going to do play through #4 sometime in the next few days. My problem is I keep getting lost in the last nightmare 
I need to get that shit memorized one day...
I need to get that shit memorized one day...It's not that hard.SlipperySlope said:I'm probably going to do play through #4 sometime in the next few days. My problem is I keep getting lost in the last nightmare
Just look for the door with ice around it
SlipperySlope
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doomed1 said:
Hmm.
That's what I did the 2nd play through. It didn't work so well in play through #3.
I got stuck in the hallway with like 6+ doors in it. Kept trying different doors and always ended up in that freaking room again I was stuck there for like 10 minutes. Surprised I was able to evade the creatures.
I got stuck in the hallway with like 6+ doors in it. Kept trying different doors and always ended up in that freaking room again
I was stuck there for like 10 minutes. Surprised I was able to evade the creatures.Edit 2:
I also got lost on the train one on play through #3, whereas I got passed that one first try on #2 too. I was just sloppy as fuck. Don't know what was wrong with me, messing up those nightmares worse than before...
On the train one, my mistake was I went to the wrong door right after you climb under the train. I went through the door on the left, where I was supposed to go through the door on the right.
On the train one, my mistake was I went to the wrong door right after you climb under the train. I went through the door on the left, where I was supposed to go through the door on the right.
SlipperySlope said:Hmm.That's what I did the 2nd play through. It didn't work so well in play through #3.
I got stuck in the hallway with like 6+ doors in it. Kept trying different doors and always ended up in that freaking room again
What should happen is that you'll encounter more and more ice until you come to the door you need to be at. There will be plenty of rooms that repeat, just keep going.
SlipperySlope
Banned
doomed1 said:
Alright, thanks
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh fucking wow .. just finished the game .. I dare say this easily tops SH2 in terms of a game changing plot-twist .
I don't know which ending I got .. it was
how are the other endings achieved ?
I don't know which ending I got .. it was
where Harry wakes up at the lighthouse and Cybil tells him that he's been dead for 18 years, then he walks into the doctor's office, and in the therapy room the Doc. starts yelling at "harry" and smashes his glass against the window telling me that my father wasn't the hero I think he was, he's dead etc etc .. and Harry walks in the door !
God damn that was an incredibly awesome moment, but he just says something like "i'll always be here" and freezes and Cheryl walks out quietly.
The report the doctor is writing at the end was pretty positive though, except for the "Lousy in bed ?" part ..
God damn that was an incredibly awesome moment, but he just says something like "i'll always be here" and freezes and Cheryl walks out quietly.
The report the doctor is writing at the end was pretty positive though, except for the "Lousy in bed ?" part ..
how are the other endings achieved ?
SlipperySlope
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chandoog said:
What happened in the video?
SlipperySlope
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Ending spoilers ahead. Enter at your own risk.
As for the endings, that's where things get a little complicated. There's 3 main sections of the ending that change.
The 1st section has 3 variations. This is when Harry meets Cheryl in the clinic. This 3 variations are called:
Broken (Cheryl says "You've been with me for so long..." Harry says "I always will be."
Bearer of Guilt (Cheryl says "Why did you have to die? It wasn't my fault. Someone has to take the blame.". Harry says "Forget me.")
Hero Forever (which is quite a bit different from the other two, and more rare. If you want more info on this one, let me know. There is only one YouTube video that I know of that shows this ending. The video though is annoying and has two idiots talking over it. I won't describe what happens in this one, but if you want I'll tell you how to get it.)
The 2nd section has 1 variation. This either happens or it doesn't. This is when Cheryl walks out to the car and hugs her mom. I don't know what triggers this one, and the FAQ's make no reference to this variation.
The 3rd section has 4 variations. This is the section added to the end of the home video. These are called:
Love Lost (where Harry and his wife break up)
Sleaze and Sirens (where Harry has sexual transgressions and is in bed with Michelle and Lisa)
Wicked and Weak (where Harry is beaten up by his wife)
Drunk Dad (you can guess this one)
Anyway, any questions about the story?
The 1st section has 3 variations. This is when Harry meets Cheryl in the clinic. This 3 variations are called:
Broken (Cheryl says "You've been with me for so long..." Harry says "I always will be."
Bearer of Guilt (Cheryl says "Why did you have to die? It wasn't my fault. Someone has to take the blame.". Harry says "Forget me.")
Hero Forever (which is quite a bit different from the other two, and more rare. If you want more info on this one, let me know. There is only one YouTube video that I know of that shows this ending. The video though is annoying and has two idiots talking over it. I won't describe what happens in this one, but if you want I'll tell you how to get it.)
The 2nd section has 1 variation. This either happens or it doesn't. This is when Cheryl walks out to the car and hugs her mom. I don't know what triggers this one, and the FAQ's make no reference to this variation.
The 3rd section has 4 variations. This is the section added to the end of the home video. These are called:
Love Lost (where Harry and his wife break up)
Sleaze and Sirens (where Harry has sexual transgressions and is in bed with Michelle and Lisa)
Wicked and Weak (where Harry is beaten up by his wife)
Drunk Dad (you can guess this one)
Anyway, any questions about the story?
SlipperySlope
Banned
Have you guys had "non-gamers" play this game? What are their impressions?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
SlipperySlope said:
Harry was leaving in a car and tells Cheryl that they still love her and asks her to stop recording
SlipperySlope
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chandoog said:
That's the Love Lost ending
ThatObviousUser
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OK, so... Chartzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz has this at 120k, and seeing as how that can't possibly be true (right?) I think it proves they make up numbers.
And not only that, they make up such wild numbers it's like they have a bet going to see how far they can push before people discover they're BS.
And not only that, they make up such wild numbers it's like they have a bet going to see how far they can push before people discover they're BS.
ThatObviousUser
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sphinx said:
As I said, they make it up.
plagiarize
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Hero forever is my favourite ending not because of what's contained within it, but what you have to do to get it. It's very clever.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
plagiarize said:
... so what do you have to do?
SlipperySlope
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Adam Prime said:
From GameFAQ's:
o+- Hero Forever -+o
How To Get It:
Build up any Fake PI that you can. Basically, you want to play off like you're
not interested in the doctor's help, just saying whatever you need to in order
to get through the therapy. Whenever you can, try to contradict yourself.
Major PI:
- Look away from the doctor while he's talking; stare at the lamp
- "True" to questions: 1 and 4
- "False" to questions: 3 and 6
- "Yes" to being a private person
- "Yes" to taking a while to be understood
- Put all the sleeping/dead photos on one side (doesn't matter which)
- "Yes" to being a slut, virgin and bully
- Don't adjust the guilt line
- "No" to all the questions about marriage
- Pair two gay couples
- Put all the abstract images on the non-sexual side
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I had the chance to play this during the weekend, as a friend of me had, for some reason I really can't fathom, imported the NTSC PS2 version (of all things). The controls were fine, but it's definitely a game tailor made for the Wii. The PS2 graphics were so-so. Not really terrible, but not as impressive as SH3 and SH4. The storytelling was amazing, and definitely the best the series has seen since the first three games (and even though I like the cult stuff, it definitely didn't harm the story that it didn't include any references to the cult mythology), Kaufman was a creepy prick and the plot twist was great (even though I knew what was coming :lol ).
That said, the game was still quite a letdown for me. The town itself was an empty, non-threatening place that didn't encourage exploration, making the game very, very linear (sure, you could always run around looking for phone numbers, but.. yeah). The puzzles were overall disappointingly easy (the only one I had any trouble figuring out was the shadow figure puzzle), and the game completely lacked the disturbing atmosphere from the earlier SH games, making the game not really all that scary. The nightmare sequences weren't all that hot either. While I'm not really a fan of games that give you no means of defense other than running away, I can live with it. But the nightmare sequences didn't really bring any tension to the table, they were mostly just frustrating. The soundtrack was completely forgettable too, but it's not really Climax's fault that Yamaoka completely phoned it in some day he was bored and had nothing else to do. The characters weren't really that fleshed out either, besides Cheryl and Harry.
I'd definitely recommend existing fans of the franchise to give it a try, and a fair shake of the stick (you might enjoy it more than I did), but I'm not really sure if I'd recommend it as an entry point to newcomers to the franchise, given how different it is from earlier SH games (PROTIP: if you liked this, you might enjoy those point n click SH: Orphan games for mobile phones, personally I thought they were quite decent). Still, I'll pick up a copy of this for my own as soon as Konami gets off their ass and gives it an official Euro PS2 release, if only to bump the sales with one copy to do my part to maybe get another SH game. I'd definitely want to have Climax give it another go, but this time combine the amazing storytelling of Shattered Memories with the 'classic' SH gameplay, and I'll be happy as a puppet nurse at Alchemilla Hospital.
For those who don't want to read my wall of text: loved the storytelling and the plot twist, disappointed by pretty much everything else.
Edit: Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that the game was surprisingly short too.
That said, the game was still quite a letdown for me. The town itself was an empty, non-threatening place that didn't encourage exploration, making the game very, very linear (sure, you could always run around looking for phone numbers, but.. yeah). The puzzles were overall disappointingly easy (the only one I had any trouble figuring out was the shadow figure puzzle), and the game completely lacked the disturbing atmosphere from the earlier SH games, making the game not really all that scary. The nightmare sequences weren't all that hot either. While I'm not really a fan of games that give you no means of defense other than running away, I can live with it. But the nightmare sequences didn't really bring any tension to the table, they were mostly just frustrating. The soundtrack was completely forgettable too, but it's not really Climax's fault that Yamaoka completely phoned it in some day he was bored and had nothing else to do. The characters weren't really that fleshed out either, besides Cheryl and Harry.
I'd definitely recommend existing fans of the franchise to give it a try, and a fair shake of the stick (you might enjoy it more than I did), but I'm not really sure if I'd recommend it as an entry point to newcomers to the franchise, given how different it is from earlier SH games (PROTIP: if you liked this, you might enjoy those point n click SH: Orphan games for mobile phones, personally I thought they were quite decent). Still, I'll pick up a copy of this for my own as soon as Konami gets off their ass and gives it an official Euro PS2 release, if only to bump the sales with one copy to do my part to maybe get another SH game. I'd definitely want to have Climax give it another go, but this time combine the amazing storytelling of Shattered Memories with the 'classic' SH gameplay, and I'll be happy as a puppet nurse at Alchemilla Hospital.
For those who don't want to read my wall of text: loved the storytelling and the plot twist, disappointed by pretty much everything else.
Edit: Oh, yeah, forgot to mention that the game was surprisingly short too.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Isn't that well known by now. :lol That site is garbage.Andrex said:
SlipperySlope
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The game is short. But that also helps me play through it more to get more endings. I usually never play through a game again just to get a different ending. I've done it with this game twice. And about to give it a 4th go.
So take 4 x about 5 hours each, and I'll have put ~20 hours into the game.
So take 4 x about 5 hours each, and I'll have put ~20 hours into the game.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Had a little hands on time with the PS2 version of the game, and yeah it looks like the PSP version blown up, but it seems to play a lot "smoother" than the PSP version, to me at least. The grain is over the top though, wish there was some way to turn it off.
robotzombie
Member
Can someone explain what happens in the Hero Forever ending?
So I finished it about 5 minutes ago and all I have to say is "Meh".
It's obvious from the beginning that
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As I was playing the game I kept thinking
and that's exactly what they did.
There was potential for a good game in there, but it got bogged down by slapping a famous license on it to get people's attention.
I guess I could have seen making this a Silent Hill game but there was *no* reason to make it a remake and just slap the names on everyone - and then have them act completely differently. If you're going to do that, make an original game.
The worst part about the game - is Silent Hill. Silent Hill is supposed to be terrifying and instead they just made it look like Canada in the winter. There's no exploration, no sense of dread, just running around in circles while those stupid monsters jump on you. The game is called Silent Hill and they made the town crappy.
Even Yamaoka's score seemed by the numbers.
Incredibly, incredibly underwhelmed by the game. I'd rather just see the series put to rest at this point then get more cheap knockoffs.
It's obvious from the beginning that
it's not Harry in the psychiatrist's office
As I was playing the game I kept thinking
I hope they don't pull some bullshit Sixth Sense ending where everyone is dead
There was potential for a good game in there, but it got bogged down by slapping a famous license on it to get people's attention.
I guess I could have seen making this a Silent Hill game but there was *no* reason to make it a remake and just slap the names on everyone - and then have them act completely differently. If you're going to do that, make an original game.
The worst part about the game - is Silent Hill. Silent Hill is supposed to be terrifying and instead they just made it look like Canada in the winter. There's no exploration, no sense of dread, just running around in circles while those stupid monsters jump on you. The game is called Silent Hill and they made the town crappy.
Even Yamaoka's score seemed by the numbers.
Incredibly, incredibly underwhelmed by the game. I'd rather just see the series put to rest at this point then get more cheap knockoffs.
Foxtastical
Member
Weird, I've only played about two hours (this weekend hopefully a few more), but those two hours were filled with exploring the nooks and crannies of the environment. I thought it was an interesting and creeptacular place.Lard said:
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Foxtastical said:
How did you find it to be creepy? Just asking out of curiosity, as I personally found the town to be an absolutely non-threatening place, which offered no real rewards for exploration. Unless you want to go for the UFO ending, I guess.
Patrick Klepek
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I know some people haven't played the game yet, but in an attempt to raise this sadly ignored game's profile, I interviewed Konami for a post-mortem on its development.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/7...flects-On-Silent-Hill-Shattered-Memories.html
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/7...flects-On-Silent-Hill-Shattered-Memories.html
timetokill
Banned
Patrick Klepek said:
nice interview, thanks!
Good interview, thanks Patrick. You really hit on a lot of great points in the questions asked and it does justice to the quality of the product.
I'm curious, did you play through the game with a significant other? I vaguely remember you mentioning something about doing that with horror games on a podcast and SM is absolutely a perfect game for that.
I'm curious, did you play through the game with a significant other? I vaguely remember you mentioning something about doing that with horror games on a podcast and SM is absolutely a perfect game for that.
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
Not this time, sadly. The next one I'll do that on is probably BioShock 2. To be honest, the psych questions might have made it uncomfortable. :lol
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Patrick Klepek said:
Excellent read Patrick. Thanks for taking the time to do this, I hope you get lots of hit and it help's word of mouth! covered a lot of ground. I just wish he made a comment on his sales expectations/current feelings of performance
SlipperySlope
Banned
I'm trying to piece together all of the ghosts/messages.
So wait, Cheryl was working in a whore house?
Yet a message shortly before that called her frigid? I don't understand.
So wait, Cheryl was working in a whore house?
Yet a message shortly before that called her frigid? I don't understand.
WOW. I completed the game last night, got what's apparently called the "Love Lost" ending, and was winded by the twist, and the rich symbolism of the events immediately preceding it. It yanked on the heartstrings, eliciting a gasp and some well-earned tears from this jaded gamer's face. Hands down the best masterstroke in interactive storytelling since
in BioShock 1, and really, it trounces that left and right.
It's the sort of powerful reversal that only a game could pull off,
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You feel violated, in a way, naked, raw and vulnerable. You feel exposed, yet you feel loved. Out of all the pain of human existence, you find some peace. To experience that all vicariously through a game is nothing short of astounding.
This is exactly the sort of storytelling I've been hankering for in a horror game. "Horror" is a hollow thing if it doesn't resonate at the heart. Flesh-eating monsters may be a danger to our physical well-being, but sometimes life is scarier than death, and this game captures why. It captures the sort of loneliness inherent in being an individual, the loneliness people spend lifetimes trying to overcome.
The best horror is a sort of spiritual journey (the film "Pan's Labyrinth" being one of my favorite examples), and this game fits that descriptor. So to the team at Climax: Well-done. Well-done.
"Would you kindly"
It's the sort of powerful reversal that only a game could pull off,
having you as the player identify so intimately with Harry as a playable character that when he's staring at you at the end and you realize you're Cheryl, the divorce is so utter and complete that you feel what Cheryl feels: Separation anxiety from her father and your avatar, a character you've grown to love through the trials and tribulations Harry endured in Cheryl's fragmented, falsified accounts of his life
You feel violated, in a way, naked, raw and vulnerable. You feel exposed, yet you feel loved. Out of all the pain of human existence, you find some peace. To experience that all vicariously through a game is nothing short of astounding.
This is exactly the sort of storytelling I've been hankering for in a horror game. "Horror" is a hollow thing if it doesn't resonate at the heart. Flesh-eating monsters may be a danger to our physical well-being, but sometimes life is scarier than death, and this game captures why. It captures the sort of loneliness inherent in being an individual, the loneliness people spend lifetimes trying to overcome.
The best horror is a sort of spiritual journey (the film "Pan's Labyrinth" being one of my favorite examples), and this game fits that descriptor. So to the team at Climax: Well-done. Well-done.
voodoopanda
Member
SlipperySlope said:
I don't think all of the ghosts/messages are directly from Cheryl's life, but are other people's emotions that are pulled in with Cheryl's because of how similar they are. Most of them seem to be parent/child relationships. The whore house one has a father saying how the woman there looks like her daughter, and there's a 2nd part where the father talks to the daughter about her pig tails.
Same with the one in the woods about the father talking to the son about killing the deer. Obviously isn't anything directly related to Cheryl, but is another parent/child relationship.
Same with the one in the woods about the father talking to the son about killing the deer. Obviously isn't anything directly related to Cheryl, but is another parent/child relationship.
SlipperySlope
Banned
Neiteio said:
Glad you like the game. Now spread the word
Now you get to do play through #2,
where you get to piece together all of the messages. The echo messages (the ones you get when you get near an object and it moves) now have a meaning. Read them all on play through #2 realizing they're all part of Cheryl's past, and you'll realize partially why she's so messed up mentally. The ghosts, and the messages they give, are also part of her memories. Look closely at some of them, and you'll realize that some of them are Cheryl. The picture you get near the end of Cheryl on the swing set tells you right away that the first ghost was definitely her. Others are too. The messages the ghosts give, then, have more meaning.
In particular, the echo message "Stranded - Crazy shit, man" affected me the most. Play through #1, you don't know who that was. Now you do. And the picture attached just caps it off. I just feel sad reading that one and looking at the picture.
Here's a question I have though. On the 2nd falling sequence, when you see frames of the home video, what's up with the pictures of a plane crash? What's that supposed to be about? Never understood that one.
In particular, the echo message "Stranded - Crazy shit, man" affected me the most. Play through #1, you don't know who that was. Now you do. And the picture attached just caps it off. I just feel sad reading that one and looking at the picture.
Here's a question I have though. On the 2nd falling sequence, when you see frames of the home video, what's up with the pictures of a plane crash? What's that supposed to be about? Never understood that one.
SlipperySlope
Banned
voodoopanda said:
Good points. Makes more sense.
"Stranded - Crazy shit, man" really is Cheryl, though
I have to wonder,
I know that for the last one, there was a text-messaged pic of the two in the act, but I can't recall if the face matches up.
In hindsight, it would seem to make sense for such to be the case, but I can't say for certain as some details elude me. :-\
Also, does anyone know what Climax's next project is now that they're done with Shattered Memories?
was Cheryl the girl in the whorehouse? Or the girl in the relationship where the boy was pressuring her into sex? Or the girl caught in the student-teacher affair?
I know that for the last one, there was a text-messaged pic of the two in the act, but I can't recall if the face matches up.
In hindsight, it would seem to make sense for such to be the case, but I can't say for certain as some details elude me. :-\
Also, does anyone know what Climax's next project is now that they're done with Shattered Memories?
SlipperySlope
Banned
Neiteio said:
For 1) Dunno. 2) Dunno 3) Yeah.
I tend to think if it's a picture of a girl covering her face, it's usually Cheryl. Plus the fact that one of the pictures clearly shows her face in the school shower, which is one of the 3 pictures you take in that part.
Oh, and the last part that leads to her being Cheryl. At the beginning of the school sequence, the doctor says something like "Now lets get to the bad things that happened at school".
Oh, and the last part that leads to her being Cheryl. At the beginning of the school sequence, the doctor says something like "Now lets get to the bad things that happened at school".
LSauchelli
Member
I just finished it, and I got to say, I hope Climax makes another game like this. But the nightmare sequences are rage-worthy. I know I stopped playing more than a few times and popped in NSMBW to just... have fun.
I'm hoping Climax's next game is more of a click-and-point-adventure-ish kind of deal. Probably not a Silent Hill, also.
I'm hoping Climax's next game is more of a click-and-point-adventure-ish kind of deal. Probably not a Silent Hill, also.
I finally got it tonight and I got really immersed into the game, but then I stopped because I remembered the game to be really short, and I really don't want to end it in just one sitting. How long is the game really? So far it has been awesome, I'm in the part
, so am I close to the end? I really, really hope not, although I'm glad to hear there are several endings.
after being picked up by Cybil right after escaping drowning inside the car with dahlia. The wheelchair part was awesome with the wii controls
brandonh83
Banned
mantidor said:
You could have it beat within an hour from there.