"Simping" |OT| or Where Dating and Depression Meet

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Steve just walk away man. Might be tough but just walk away from it.

I'm working on it. We'll see how well I do if/when she tries to contact me. My plan is to not repsond at all, the only thing I'm concerned about is if there seems to be legitimate, continued effort on her part, will I be able to continue to ignore her? I know I can, but doubts tend to creep.
 
I'm working on it. We'll see how well I do if/when she tries to contact me. My plan is to not repsond at all, the only thing I'm concerned about is if there seems to be legitimate, continued effort on her part, will I be able to continue to ignore her? I know I can, but doubts tend to creep.

Any "continued effort on her part" is just her trying to use you and string you along as always. Have zero doubts about that.
 
I'm working on it. We'll see how well I do if/when she tries to contact me. My plan is to not repsond at all, the only thing I'm concerned about is if there seems to be legitimate, continued effort on her part, will I be able to continue to ignore her? I know I can, but doubts tend to creep.

been there, and have tremendous empathy. good luck man.
 
I'll be straight up honest, even if you manage to get the girl by simping it honestly seems like a situation in which you basically traded in your self-respect for a relationship. Expect still being a doormat and her leaving you for that guy who revs his bike outside super loud.*

*this is an exaggeration but I've seen this thing kind of happen
 
I wasted most of my college years chasing after this one girl who instantly became my "type". I didn't want to bother with anyone else, couldn't stop thinking about her, felt great when I was around her and horrible when not. I would do anything just to talk to her on the phone.

We hung out plenty, she was a good friend and I was crazy about her. I kept misinterpreting her "signals" that she was into me as well so that kept me going. Plus I got a lot of self esteem from being around a hot chick that my friends and co workers were a bit jealous.

But when I finally mustered up the courage to tell her point blank I had feelings for her, she told me she did not feel the same. I wasn't surprised, but it floored me. You know that song Wicked Game by Chris Isak? That was me. This was right about at the end of my college life and I realized I had wasted it pursuing her.

We stayed friends for many years post-college and I watched as she had relationship after relationship while I was still struggling to have one of my own. I think this experience really screwed my self esteem up for several years even after moving out of town. I just couldn't get past her.

tl;dr -- read from here down :)

I'm happily married now and my best advice to those in a position like I was is this:
If it seems hard, it's not meant to be. I was always begging and pleading to spend time with my college crush. It was *hard*! When I finally met the girl who became my wife, it was *easy*. The big difference? My (future) wife was interested, the girl from college was not. It doesn't get more simple than that.

I will qualify this with the fact that it gets easier as girls get older. Teenagers or 20-somethings will play hard to get or other games. As they get older (and more desperate), they drop that crap and you know when they like you.

There's nothing worse than the "so you're saying there's a chance!" feeling from Dumb and Dumber. Let it go. Find someone who wants you as much as you want them. There's always someone like that. It's only a matter of time.
 
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Nice thread. It really is crazy how you can get into a situation like that, and be completely oblivious as to what the reality is. Even the fact that you are acting like someone with zero self-respect and zero feeling of self-worth can be justified in that state of mind, as in "Oh, I'm just so weak when it comes to her, damn my weakness, I just can't resist" and in your mind you're kind of perversly proud of that and take it as a sign of some special connection with the girl.

Some of the examples in this thread are really extreme in the sense that the girl is actively taking advantage of the guy, but in my experience it's usually completely the guy's fault. At it's core it's just being very dishonest to yourself and to the girl. Don't pretend to be a friend if you want to be a lover. That's just taking advantage of the other person, and you are the bad guy, even if you don't realise it yet.

In other thoughts, someone should make a simping checklist, so people can go through it and see the real situation. We need proposals!
 
So I'm in the library and this guy sits on a dodgy chair he swaps it out with one across the table of course. A girl walks in and sits on the dodgy chair, my man gets up walks across the library picks up a chair and brings it to her to sit on.
 
Nice job, Steve. I've read the whole thread now and just wanted to say that all stories have helped me see my own simping.

Stay strong guys.
 
Yup, totally expecting and prepared for that too.

Thanks.

Time out your next few steps. When she messages you asking if you are okay, take a day to respond and say "i've been busy" and leave it at that.

Depending on what kind of girl she is, she'll either get the message, or become more aggressive about it.

Who is your cell phone provider? Verizon lets me put a 3-month block on a number that blocks incoming, outgoing calls and texts.
 
Been there DONE that :) Lasted quite a while too... I feel like just the past month or so I actually started to feel back to normal.

Zero self worth, depressed and willing to beg for even a minute of together time. Ahahaha... Too funny.
 
Oh, and everyone go out and watch the movie 'Swingers' right now. You can't get any lower than my man Jon Favreau does in one exceptionally painful scene in that movie.

That'll cheer anyone right the fuck up :)
 
So, like "being a human doormat"? Or going full-beta?

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Holy shit, this hits close to home :'(

The scenario usually goes like this:
  1. We talk and flirt.... until she get a boyfriend and she starts ignoring me(calls,texts).
  2. Boyfriend either (cheats, treats her bad, or ignores her)
  3. She breaks up with said boyfriend
  4. Immediately contacts me, being very flirtatious calling me variations of the word "boo", like boo-boo or buddy-boo(just to drive home my friend-zone status)
  5. Bitches about how bad her boyfriend treats her so..
  6. ...I give her all the attention(flirting,make laugh) that her ex-boyfriend didn't and in return she......
  7. ........fucking ignores me again, because she got back with her asshole** boyfriend
  8. *repeat with different guys*

** I said "asshole" not being bitter, but from the stories she tells me of how the guy cheats/treats her so bad.

eDIt: As if this story could get any sadder, I "tried" to ask her by texting:
her: (talks about going to movies with her bff)
me: "We should go to the movies since I hardly see you anymore"
her: "lol what would [ex-boyfriend who cheated on me] think
me: "Who cares what [ex-boyfriend] thinks, you're my woman now <---- This is me trying to sound confident
her: "I'm nobody's woman.."
me: "so...uh...what you up to?"
** go back to #5 in the scenario **
 
Holy shit, this hits close to home :'(

The scenario usually goes like this:
  1. We talk and flirt.... until she get a boyfriend and she starts ignoring me(calls,texts).
  2. Boyfriend either (cheats, treats her bad, or ignores her)
  3. She breaks up with said boyfriend
  4. Immediately contacts me, being very flirtatious calling me variations of the word "boo", like boo-boo or buddy-boo(just to drive home my friend-zone status)
  5. Bitches about how bad her boyfriend treats her so..
  6. ...I give her all the attention(flirting,make laugh) that her ex-boyfriend didn't and in return she......
  7. ........fucking ignores me again, because she got back with her asshole** boyfriend
  8. *repeat with different guys*

** I said "asshole" not being bitter, but from the stories she tells me of how the guy cheats/treats her so bad.

There's your problem. Don't put pussy on a pedestal.
 
There's your problem. Don't put pussy on a pedestal.
Yeah I realized that and finally stopped the vicious Simping cycle, I remember from the girl-age thread to "make your intentions known" or forever Simp-Zoned. So I tried to ask her out again as we were talking on the phone for like an hour and a half:

me: "Hey we should go out on a date, your and me"
her: *laughs hysterically* are you serious?? <--- felt bad man :(
me: "Yeah..."
her: "Oh..well I don't like you like that.."
me: "Okay, well I don't want to be just friends anymore"
her: "Are you kidding me [name]"
me: "Yeah, I mean, I flirt with you yet get nothing in return, you get all the attention but there's nothing in it for me. So goodbye [name]"
*Then I just hung up on her*

It's been like 5 months since that happened, and we haven't talked since.

** Any suggestions on how I could handle that scenario better so it doesn't happen again?
That's the problem
Yeah I realize that now, which is why I tried again on the fone (see above).
 
Yeah I realized that and finally stopped the vicious Simping cycle, I remember from the girl-age thread to "make your intentions known" or forever Simp-Zoned. So I tried to ask her out again as we were talking on the phone for like an hour and a half:

me: "Hey we should go out on a date, your and me"
her: *laughs hysterically* are you serious?? <--- felt bad man :(
me: "Yeah..."
her: "Oh..well I don't like you like that.."
me: "Okay, well I don't want to be just friends anymore"
her: "Are you kidding me [name]"
me: "Yeah, I mean, I flirt with you yet get nothing in return, you get all the attention but there's nothing in it for me. So goodbye [name]"
*Then I just hung up on her*

It's been like 5 months since that happened, and we haven't talked since.

** Any suggestions on how I could handle that scenario better so it doesn't happen again?
Yeah I realize that now, which is why I tried again on the fone (see above).

It's good to see your balls grew. You handled it fine. Who cares if you haven't talked, move on, find another chick(s), don't settle for the first girl who gives you attention.
 
Yeah I realized that and finally stopped the vicious Simping cycle, I remember from the girl-age thread to "make your intentions known" or forever Simp-Zoned. So I tried to ask her out again as we were talking on the phone for like an hour and a half:

me: "Hey we should go out on a date, your and me"
her: *laughs hysterically* are you serious?? <--- felt bad man :(
me: "Yeah..."
her: "Oh..well I don't like you like that.."
me: "Okay, well I don't want to be just friends anymore"
her: "Are you kidding me [name]"
me: "Yeah, I mean, I flirt with you yet get nothing in return, you get all the attention but there's nothing in it for me. So goodbye [name]"
*Then I just hung up on her*

It's been like 5 months since that happened, and we haven't talked since.

** Any suggestions on how I could handle that scenario better so it doesn't happen again?
Yeah I realize that now, which is why I tried again on the fone (see above).

First, you were too cowardly to be upfront about your intentions with this girl at the start, so you felt it would be easier to weasel yourself into her life as a friend and slowly manipulate the relationship into becoming something more than that.

Second, when your plan failed, you basically got fed up and demanded that she dates you, your reason being that you deserve it for all the effort you put into faking a friendship.

Don't play games and you won't end up in situations like this.
 
First, you were too cowardly to be upfront about your intentions with this girl at the start, so you felt it would be easier to weasel yourself into her life as a friend and slowly manipulate the relationship into becoming something more than that.

Second, when your plan failed, you basically got fed up and demanded that she dates you, your reason being that you deserve it for all the effort you put into faking a friendship.

Don't play games and you won't end up in situations like this.

Damn.
 
It's good to see your balls grew. You handled it fine. Who cares if you haven't talked, move on, find another chick(s), don't settle for the first girl who gives you attention.

I think that's not balls. It's not courage from confidence, it's courage from desperation. Until that desperation is taken care of, he can go through as many chicks as he wants to, they're all going to smell the desperation, and the result will be the same.
 
It's good to see your balls grew. You handled it fine. Who cares if you haven't talked, move on, find another chick(s), don't settle for the first girl who gives you attention.
Actually I'm glad we haven't talked since then, because truthfully I didn't want her to say yes**, I just wanted her out of my life because she stressed me out so much to the point it was affecting my mood/work performance.

** I said I didn't want to date because I've been severely depressed the majority of my life(I've been trying to work on it) and I know can't be with someone else until you're content with yourself.
 
Yeah I realized that and finally stopped the vicious Simping cycle, I remember from the girl-age thread to "make your intentions known" or forever Simp-Zoned. So I tried to ask her out again as we were talking on the phone for like an hour and a half:

me: "Hey we should go out on a date, your and me"
her: *laughs hysterically* are you serious?? <--- felt bad man :(
me: "Yeah..."
her: "Oh..well I don't like you like that.."
me: "Okay, well I don't want to be just friends anymore"
her: "Are you kidding me [name]"
me: "Yeah, I mean, I flirt with you yet get nothing in return, you get all the attention but there's nothing in it for me. So goodbye [name]"
*Then I just hung up on her*

It's been like 5 months since that happened, and we haven't talked since.

** Any suggestions on how I could handle that scenario better so it doesn't happen again?

Here's a suggestion:

Handle it all the same way if the situation goes that way in the future but try and identify and react SOONER.
 
** I said I didn't want to date because I've been severely depressed the majority of my life(I've been trying to work on it) and I know can't be with someone else until you're content with yourself.

It isn't easy coming from that place, but you really are taking the right path by working on yourself. I know from my experience, and the experience of some of my friends, if you don't get that solid foundation of being satisfied on your own, no relationship is going to fix it, even with a great girl. The only thing a relationship gives you in that state of mind is happiness for the first few months, and then utter desperation when the high wears off and you realize you have the one thing you've always wanted, but you're still feeling the same.
 
Yeah I realized that and finally stopped the vicious Simping cycle, I remember from the girl-age thread to "make your intentions known" or forever Simp-Zoned. So I tried to ask her out again as we were talking on the phone for like an hour and a half:

me: "Hey we should go out on a date, your and me"
her: *laughs hysterically* are you serious?? <--- felt bad man :(
me: "Yeah..."
her: "Oh..well I don't like you like that.."
me: "Okay, well I don't want to be just friends anymore"
her: "Are you kidding me [name]"
me: "Yeah, I mean, I flirt with you yet get nothing in return, you get all the attention but there's nothing in it for me. So goodbye [name]"
*Then I just hung up on her*

It's been like 5 months since that happened, and we haven't talked since.

** Any suggestions on how I could handle that scenario better so it doesn't happen again?
Yeah I realize that now, which is why I tried again on the fone (see above).

Should have just got wasted then tried to kiss her. Pretty sure this works almost all the time.
 
First, you were too cowardly to be upfront about your intentions with this girl at the start, so you felt it would be easier to weasel yourself into her life as a friend and slowly manipulate the relationship into becoming something more than that.

Second, when your plan failed, you basically got fed up and demanded that she dates you, your reason being that you deserve it for all the effort you put into faking a friendship.

Don't play games and you won't end up in situations like this.
Not really when we first started talking I just thought of her as a friend, then later I started liking her yet never said anything.

It wasn't "demand" I just explained the situation. If there's no possibility for a relationship where I'm always going to be wanting more, what's the point of remaining "friends"?
I think that's not balls. It's not courage from confidence, it's courage from desperation. Until that desperation is taken care of, he can go through as many chicks as he wants to, they're all going to smell the desperation, and the result will be the same.
It's not desperation its depression, and yes the girls can smell it, but difference most girls would just leave me alone. But even when I ignored her or especially if I started flirting with another coworker, she would go out of her way to talk/flirt with me, only to blow me off (again) once she knew she "had me". And yes I not dealing with girls while I work on my depression.
 
eDIt: Sorry if I'm derailing the threads with my problems, but I appreciate all your advice.

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Here's a suggestion:

Handle it all the same way if the situation goes that way in the future but try and identify and react SOONER.
I'm new to this and I didn't even realize I was her Simp until it was way too late, but I'll be more self-aware now.
It isn't easy coming from that place, but you really are taking the right path by working on yourself. I know from my experience, and the experience of some of my friends, if you don't get that solid foundation of being satisfied on your own, no relationship is going to fix it, even with a great girl. The only thing a relationship gives you in that state of mind is happiness for the first few months, and then utter desperation when the high wears off and you realize you have the one thing you've always wanted, but you're still feeling the same.
What's even worst is that before I met her(at new job) I was actually getting over the depression and felt better than I felt in forever. I took steps to better my life like getting contacts which boosted my confidence as I hated wearing glasses and simple things like eye-contact were much more easier now. But dealing with 2+ years of being her Simp(and other shit in my life) spiraled me back into a deep depression.
Should have just got wasted then tried to kiss her. Pretty sure this works almost all the time.
I learned that from the girl-age thread too("Don't say it, just do it"). But the problem was she switched jobs so I rarely saw here so I suggested she come back to the job to "visit" and I would try to make a move(?). But when she came she flat out ignored me, didn't say anything and just plain avoided me, meanwhile laughing/talking with other coworkers. As she was leaving I said:
me: "So you aren't going to say anything to me??"
her: "Oh uhh...we'll talk later"
 
Holy shit, this hits close to home :'(

The scenario usually goes like this:
  1. We talk and flirt.... until she get a boyfriend and she starts ignoring me(calls,texts).
  2. Boyfriend either (cheats, treats her bad, or ignores her)
  3. She breaks up with said boyfriend
  4. Immediately contacts me, being very flirtatious calling me variations of the word "boo", like boo-boo or buddy-boo(just to drive home my friend-zone status)
  5. Bitches about how bad her boyfriend treats her so..
  6. ...I give her all the attention(flirting,make laugh) that her ex-boyfriend didn't and in return she......
  7. ........fucking ignores me again, because she got back with her asshole** boyfriend
  8. *repeat with different guys*

** I said "asshole" not being bitter, but from the stories she tells me of how the guy cheats/treats her so bad.

eDIt: As if this story could get any sadder, I "tried" to ask her by texting:
her: (talks about going to movies with her bff)
me: "We should go to the movies since I hardly see you anymore"
her: "lol what would [ex-boyfriend who cheated on me] think
me: "Who cares what [ex-boyfriend] thinks, you're my woman now <---- This is me trying to sound confident
her: "I'm nobody's woman.."
me: "so...uh...what you up to?"
** go back to #5 in the scenario **

You're a pacifier. A teddy bear that gets put away when bfs come over but let out once issues arise. A baby blanket. She won't ever think of you as something other than a emotional outlet. Either cut her out of your life or move the fuck on already.
 
You're a pacifier. A teddy bear that gets put away when bfs come over but let out once issues arise. A baby blanket. She won't ever think of you as something other than a emotional outlet. Either cut her out of your life or move the fuck on already.
*Continue reading the thread*
 
I wasted most of my college years chasing after this one girl who instantly became my "type". I didn't want to bother with anyone else, couldn't stop thinking about her, felt great when I was around her and horrible when not. I would do anything just to talk to her on the phone.

We hung out plenty, she was a good friend and I was crazy about her. I kept misinterpreting her "signals" that she was into me as well so that kept me going. Plus I got a lot of self esteem from being around a hot chick that my friends and co workers were a bit jealous.

But when I finally mustered up the courage to tell her point blank I had feelings for her, she told me she did not feel the same. I wasn't surprised, but it floored me. You know that song Wicked Game by Chris Isak? That was me. This was right about at the end of my college life and I realized I had wasted it pursuing her.

We stayed friends for many years post-college and I watched as she had relationship after relationship while I was still struggling to have one of my own. I think this experience really screwed my self esteem up for several years even after moving out of town. I just couldn't get past her.

tl;dr -- read from here down :)

I'm happily married now and my best advice to those in a position like I was is this:
If it seems hard, it's not meant to be. I was always begging and pleading to spend time with my college crush. It was *hard*! When I finally met the girl who became my wife, it was *easy*. The big difference? My (future) wife was interested, the girl from college was not. It doesn't get more simple than that.

I will qualify this with the fact that it gets easier as girls get older. Teenagers or 20-somethings will play hard to get or other games. As they get older (and more desperate), they drop that crap and you know when they like you.

There's nothing worse than the "so you're saying there's a chance!" feeling from Dumb and Dumber. Let it go. Find someone who wants you as much as you want them. There's always someone like that. It's only a matter of time.

Sea of madness? More like sea of truth.
 
Oh my god guys, I know the problem. Going through a phase of that too at the moment, although I know that I'm a idiot for falling for it.
Right now I'm back from an evening with a girl I really like. On the one side we talk everyday over long periods of times, got the same views on many things and just have a good time. So fast forward to this evening, when we planned to eat something after university and then go to a pub with a friend of us. Right before our courses, she asks another one, to come with us, too. Okay, that wouldn't be a problem for me. But as we are in the restaurant, it's suddenly as if I'm air and she talks almost the whole time with the other guy. As I didn't want to cause a scene, I took out my cellphone and surfed gaf, like fuck you, if you don't talk with me, I can do something different with my time. She notices this and asks me if something is wrong, and I only say "Nope everything's allright" in a rather sarcastic tone. Still it's not my goal to cause a scene and just get this evening over, so we can have a talk about this the next day.
I really was happy when we got to the pub where our friend waited so I at least could talk with him, down some beers and almost have a good time.
But it's a real bad feeling. As if I'm enough if no one is around, but as soon as there are other people, I'm not.
I know it's totally idiotic to hang on like this, but I like her so much, even if there is close to no chance, that we can get together. It's one of the worst feelings ever.

PS: I'm sorry for all grammatical or orthographic errors, as English is not my native language and I downed some beers ;)
 
So you basically demanded she date you because you put so much effort into being her friend? Ugh. Dude you have work to do.
That's not the case, I was just trying to find a way to get her out my life [see quote below] and until that happened I knew I was going to continue to be her emotional "teddy bear" as you said.

So my question to you is how would you have handled that situation differently? I'm new to this so I know I have lots of work to do(mainly on myself).

Actually I'm glad we haven't talked since then, because truthfully I didn't want her to say yes**, I just wanted her out of my life because she stressed me out so much to the point it was affecting my mood/work performance.

** I said I didn't want to date because I've been severely depressed the majority of my life(I've been trying to work on it) and I know can't be with someone else until you're content with yourself.
 
That's not the case, I was just trying to find a way to get her out my life [see quote below] and until that happened I knew I was going to continue to be her emotional "teddy bear" as you said.

So my question to you is how would you have handled that situation differently? I'm new to this so I know I have lots of work to do(mainly on myself).



I would have told her that she's sending me mixed signals and if she doesn't want to be with me to make that clear. You don't have to cut people out of your life every time if you establish proper boundaries.
 
For all of my ineptness at dating (mostly relating to getting into a relationship) I'm so thankful that this is not one of my problems. I can recognize very early on when something is just a friendship, and I leave it at that.
 
I would have told her that she's sending me mixed signals and if she doesn't want to be with me to make that clear. You don't have to cut people out of your life every time if you establish proper boundaries.
I needed to cut her out my life, it was just too much stress dealing with her. My overall mood deteriorated and I was always in a somber state which affected my relationship with friend & family. I've literally been passed up for a promotion because my work performance slacked off from being distressed from her. etc. Lastly I can't be just friends(w/boundaries) with her because I'll always be wanting something more....but know I can't have it.
 
I needed to cut her out my life, it was just too much stress dealing with her. My overall mood deteriorated and I was always in a somber state which affected my relationship with friend & family. I've literally been passed up for a promotion because my work performance slacked off from being distressed from her. etc. Lastly I can't be just friends(w/boundaries) with her because I'll always be wanting something more....but know I can't have it.

And what I'm saying is you should be sure not to go down this road with every woman you befriend. It's not a good look. Learn to make friends that you won't ever be fond of past the point of friendship. Plus they'll put into perspective how dumb you're being if one like that comes along.
 
Oh my god guys, I know the problem. Going through a phase of that too at the moment, although I know that I'm a idiot for falling for it.
Right now I'm back from an evening with a girl I really like. On the one side we talk everyday over long periods of times, got the same views on many things and just have a good time. So fast forward to this evening, when we planned to eat something after university and then go to a pub with a friend of us. Right before our courses, she asks another one, to come with us, too. Okay, that wouldn't be a problem for me. But as we are in the restaurant, it's suddenly as if I'm air and she talks almost the whole time with the other guy. As I didn't want to cause a scene, I took out my cellphone and surfed gaf, like fuck you, if you don't talk with me, I can do something different with my time. She notices this and asks me if something is wrong, and I only say "Nope everything's allright" in a rather sarcastic tone. Still it's not my goal to cause a scene and just get this evening over, so we can have a talk about this the next day.
I really was happy when we got to the pub where our friend waited so I at least could talk with him, down some beers and almost have a good time.
But it's a real bad feeling. As if I'm enough if no one is around, but as soon as there are other people, I'm not.
I know it's totally idiotic to hang on like this, but I like her so much, even if there is close to no chance, that we can get together. It's one of the worst feelings ever.

PS: I'm sorry for all grammatical or orthographic errors, as English is not my native language and I downed some beers ;)

Seems like a lot of these stories involve this "other guy" as a key player. The "other guy" always seems like he's got it going. Just swooping in getting girls.
 
I think the best way to turn this situation around is to 'use' the girl back. Drop all emotions and fire up that penis. Just don't let her destroy your wallet. Let her have her bad relationship and continue to meet other women.
 
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