Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]

Rash said:
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure all of these 10/10 scores are just from reviewers guzzling the kool-aid, and Gamespot's 7.5 is an actual trustworthy critique of the game.
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I'm not trying to defend the review as a quality writeup or anything, but what I see wrong with this post is that I don't understand why anyone -- be it one dissenting opinion going against the grain or an overwhelming majority -- needs to be seen as being in the write. Why do we need to prop up one review or cast aside that other review at all. They're just games reviews.
 
what's amazing is that the reviewer believes the game has borderline inoperable controls, and scores it a respectable 7.5 in spite of that. that's basically the most damning criticism a video game can get. unbelievable

don't know why i even read the review

cried said:
I don't know who posted the GameFAQs wasn't exploding, but 95% of the first 5 pages (250 threads) are complaining about Gamespot's review. They either mention 7.5 in the title, or refer to "the review."
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these are the kinds of fans that decided to like skyward sword before they actually played it. lots of people on gaf are like that as well. it's really sad. you don't see this kind of apologism in other mediums, i think. even the most devoted stephanie meyer fangirls would disown her in a heartbeat if she released a book that didn't conform to their expectations.
 
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Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not trying to defend the review as a quality writeup or anything, but what I see wrong with this post is that I don't understand why anyone -- be it one dissenting opinion going against the grain or an overwhelming majority -- needs to be seen as being in the write. Why do we need to prop up one review or cast aside that other review at all. They're just games reviews.
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I'm pretty sure he was being mocking of all the people coming in and acting like GS's review is the only one being honest and fair and that it's more accurate by virtue of being lower.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
I'm pretty sure he was being mocking of all the people coming in and acting like GS's review is the only one being honest and fair.
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If so, that's fair. I read it as "I think we can disregard this one since everyone else is raving about it."
 
Catching back up with the thread now. Goody, we've had a banning. And walking fiend has essentially created his entire own wall of shame.

Let's keep the ball rolling.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not trying to defend the review as a quality writeup or anything, but what I see wrong with this post is that I don't understand why anyone -- be it one dissenting opinion going against the grain or an overwhelming majority -- needs to be seen as being in the write. Why do we need to prop up one review or cast aside that other review at all. They're just games reviews.
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7.5 is not dissenting. The very thought that it is pretty much puts you and the people that agree with you in the wrong and has to work their way back up from there. You can't claim others being bias and then get all bent up out of shape over a 7.5. It's not pot calling the kettle black, but pot calling everything that isn't a pot black.

Edit: And when I say "you" I don't mean the personal "you." I meant "anyone." I didn't mean this to sound like a personal attack in any way.
 
The one thing I can agree with is that I wish when people would say Zelda needs to change its formula, they would explain why instead of just asserting it as a bare fact. I mean every game is wildly popular, so it's not at all plainly obvious that it needs to be changed. I don't even necessarily disagree with it, but you need to give actual reasons that it should be changed, and "stale" isn't a reason when a new console Zelda only comes out ever 4 or 5 years.
 
creid said:
As for the review being "invalidated" because the reviewer doesn't realize the aiming doesn't use infrared - how is that important? The important part is that it didn't work right for the reviewer. Unless he kept getting up and frustratedly trying to point the remote at the sensor bar, I don't see how his lack of understanding about how the process works affects his evaluation of how well it works.
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Understanding the controls is actually fundamental when giving criticism of a game. A reviewer claiming the controls in Super Mario Bros. are broken because he doesn't know you can jump with the A button (perhaps not the best example I could come up with, but hopefully a clear one) would of course be factually incorrect, and I can't see how the frustration of not being able to get past the first goomba would not affect his overall judgement of the game.

Of course, not knowing that might not be the reviewer's fault. Perhaps the game didn't communicate this adequately, and while a game like Mario doesn't really need it (anyone would just try out the different buttons and eventually succeed in understanding how you jump) perhaps something a lot subtler, like how the aiming seemingly works here, does.

All this, of course, if (and it's a big if) this is the cause of the issues some are having with the controls. Which is not a certainty (I said I guess it was because I have seen several people complaining about the constant need to re-calibrate the aiming, but in the end who knows?).
 
I can't wait for this game to finally come out so people can just form their own opinions.

I'm also pretty sure, based solely on the overwhelming amount of opposing accounts from other reviewers, that most people will find that the gamespot review is a crock.

Of course some will agree with it, but some people also thought wind waker was a bad game. They're what we call "bad" people. [/sarcasm]
 
Mr. B Natural said:
7.5 is not dissenting. The very thought that it is pretty much puts you and the people that agree with you in the wrong and has to work their way back up from there. You can't claim others being bias and then get all bent up out of shape over a 7.5. It's not pot calling the kettle black, but pot calling everything that isn't a pot black.
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Well, first of all, I think you completely misunderstand my motivation, here.

Secondly, as it pertains to the popular understanding of games' critique, I don't think 'dissenting' was a disingenuous choice of words. Mind you, I'm certainly not in the group that's calling for his blood, as I personally care very little about scores. However, knowing the scores that it has been getting, the 7.5 does stand out. It may not be a diametrically-opposed sentiment of calling the game crap in response to everyone praising it, but it does stand out as breaking from the popular sentiment.
 
Jocchan said:
Understanding the controls is actually fundamental when giving criticism of a game. A reviewer claiming the controls in Super Mario Bros. are broken because he doesn't know you can jump with the A button (perhaps not the best example I could come up with, but hopefully a clear one) would of course be factually incorrect, and I can't see how the frustration of not being able to get past the first goomba would not affect his overall judgement of the game.

Of course, not knowing that might not be the reviewer's fault. Perhaps the game didn't communicate this adequately, and while a game like Mario doesn't really need it (anyone would just try out the different buttons) perhaps something a lot more subtler, like how the aiming seemingly works here, does.

All this, of course, if (and it's a big if) this is the cause of the issues some are having with the controls. Which is not a certainty (I said I guess it was because I have seen several people complaining about the constant need to re-calibrate the aiming, but in the end who knows?).
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I think a good example would be someone hating MGS3 because they did not realize you use the D-pad for sneaking and specifically calling out how dysfunctional the analog stick was for it.
 
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
 
7.5 is a bit blasphemous. The new wii Kirby got a 7.5. No More Heroes got a 9.0. What standard are they holding this up to?

In the review they complain about the controls. It can only lead me to believe the reviewer didn't get them, and most likely didn't 'get' most games of wii. Every other reviewer says it is flawless?


It's a hard call with Nintendo games.

Let a Nintendo fan review it and it gets over-hyped.

Let a PC-HD-FPS gamer review it, and the bias against Mario/Zelda is clear.


I have friends that hate hate hate Zelda. I have friends that love love love it.


Gamespot values controversy and hits over objectivity. This is the first whining I've done over a review score, it just seems incredibly apparent. Take a list of games that got 8s, and it is clear they are holding this game to a different standard.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I think a good example would be someone hating MGS3 because they did not realize you use the D-pad for sneaking and specifically calling out how dysfunctional the analog stick was for it.
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That's a much better example, thank you. The only other one I could think of was lamenting that the controls for shaking off the monsters in Silent Hill: Shattered Memories Wii are broken because waggle doesn't work, when you're actually supposed to push distinctly in one direction. But that one seemed kinda borderline and unclear, so I went for Mario.
 
Crunched said:
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
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You missed me. I ranted about the review haha. I won't lose any sleep over it, but for once I'm jumping on the hate wagon.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
It's especially funny because



So it's really a combined 447 posts about how everyone is such losers for posting in this thread so much.
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I can't wait for the game man.

I haven't been this excited in a long time. It's something I think is worth talking about, the GS review "controversy" is barely a blip in the count, probably for both of us.

I wouldn't be surprised if the recent SS threads were responsible for bringing my "posts per day" up by one or two.

hatchx said:
You missed me. I ranted about the review haha. I won't lose any sleep over it, but for once I'm jumping on the hate wagon.
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You posted right after me, I saw it :p

This time around there's a lot less vitriol compared to 8.8 and 8/10, but there's still a sense that some people are trying to totally discredit a review instead of discussing certain points and agreeing/disagreeing with the validity of them. "7.5? Seven point five?! Bullshit!"

The talk about the IR bit and discussing whether or not something could have been wrong with the controls -- that's fine. But there's no reason to grab onto a single hold in the review and use that to discredit the whole thing.
 
Crunched said:
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
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I don't understand why you're obsessed with trying to make the reaction to this review bigger than it actually was. Some people overreacted, but you act like being critical of the content of a review is somehow a complete loss of rational thinking.
 
Crunched said:
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
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Yes, everyone who posted in that post is dumb. Good choice of words. Really ups the validity of your post.
 
Crunched said:
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
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Not nearly as good as MamaRobotnik's list. 7.5/10
 
hatchx said:
7.5 is a bit blasphemous. The new wii Kirby got a 7.5. No More Heroes got a 9.0. What standard are they holding this up to?

In the review they complain about the controls. It can only lead me to believe the reviewer didn't get them, and most likely didn't 'get' most games of wii. Every other reviewer says it is flawless?


It's a hard call with Nintendo games.

Let a Nintendo fan review it and it gets over-hyped.

Let a PC-HD-FPS gamer review it, and the bias against Mario/Zelda is clear.


I have friends that hate hate hate Zelda. I have friends that love love love it.


Gamespot values controversy and hits over objectivity. This is the first whining I've done over a review score, it just seems incredibly apparent. Take a list of games that got 8s, and it is clear they are holding this game to a different standard.
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Only a hunch but I think if there weren't already scores in the 8 (all in the 9s and 10s), GS would have probably scored it 8.0 or 8.5.
 
You know it's not the score that bothers me about the GS review.

It's more inconsistencies with their reviews (specifically, Tom McShea).

I cannot stand it when they're factually wrong. Saying stuff like the game has IR controls for aiming instead of Gyro is just annoying. A review is suppose to inform people about the game and I would expect at least those aspects remain 100% true.

The 7.5 is fine - and he probably does have legit complaints (I haven't read it, I'm trying to avoid most reviews), but at least know about the game you're reviewing!
 
Crunched said:
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
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youre devoting youre time to this why?
 
I'm just interested to see how divisive the game will be with these boards once it comes out. Zelda games tend to divide the player base and Skyward Sword seems to be on track to do it too. It will be interesting to see how many people look back and agree with this 7.5.
 
Kazerei said:
Not nearly as good as MamaRobotnik's list. 7.5/10
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Dunno, I think the list controlled quite decently. I had some issues with the scrolling wheel and had to reposition my mouse a couple of times, though.
 
creid said:
I don't know who posted the GameFAQs wasn't exploding, but 95% of the first 5 pages (250 threads) are complaining about Gamespot's review. They either mention 7.5 in the title, or refer to "the review."

To the people claiming that they are fishing for hits or trying to bring the metacritic score down, I don't understand how it is completely impossible that someone didn't like the game. It seems the notion is not even briefly entertained.

As for the review being "invalidated" because the reviewer doesn't realize the aiming doesn't use infrared - how is that important? The important part is that it didn't work right for the reviewer. Unless he kept getting up and frustratedly trying to point the remote at the sensor bar, I don't see how his lack of understanding about how the process works affects his evaluation of how well it works.
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I normally don't go in for conspiracy theories, but there is something very odd about the Gamespot review. The other lower marked reviews talk about a slow first few hours and not changing the formula enough - as far as I know no one has had the sort of issues Gamespot has had with the controls. Surely someone would've mentioned it by now if it'd been this kind of game-breaking problem?

And why was the Gamespot review so late anyway? In fact why are they always much later compared to other sites, even though they must surely get copies before anyone else?
 
guek said:
I don't understand why you're obsessed with trying to make the reaction to this review bigger than it actually was. Some people overreacted, but you act like being critical of the content of a review is somehow a complete loss of rational thinking.
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This. Let's all just leave or opinions at the door next time, because those are for morons.
 
you know, i've been enjoying the game but it does have its flaws. i've gone into them at length in the official thread. sadly, control issues are among them. the gamespot review is also not the first one to mention them. like feep, i have found almost everything that doesn't have to do with sword fighting to work really well. almost all the items that use some sort of motion control work great and are a ton of fun to use. i have also found the bird to be very simple and straightforward to control. the various mechanics surrounding the flying also just feel very satisfying. the sword fighting on the other hand doesn't even come CLOSE to being anything i'd call "revolutionary" or - gasp - "perfect". and while the sword as a weapon CAN be somewhat finnicky and the game doesn't always recognize every motion correctly, the true problem with the sword fighting lies in the nature and design of the combat scenarios and enemy encounters: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32648429&postcount=391 (all spoiler-free).
 
guek said:
I don't understand why you're obsessed with trying to make the reaction to this review bigger than it actually was. Some people overreacted, but you act like being critical of the content of a review is somehow a complete loss of rational thinking.
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Someone was going to do it because of the UC3 Wall of Shame. Better that he do it and show that the meltdowns in this thread are actually a lot more measured in their wailings and gnashing of teeth than in UC3. Besides, it's like a 'best-of' for us not following the thread.
 
Kazerei said:
Not nearly as good as MamaRobotnik's list. 7.5/10
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Well to me the difference is, MamaRobotnik didn't really post in that thread except to post his list. It was almost a hit and run. He was only interested in the reactions to the reviews not the actual game, and seems like Crunched isn't similar in that regard unless I missed something.

guek said:
I don't understand why you're obsessed with trying to make the reaction to this review bigger than it actually was. Some people overreacted, but you act like being critical of the content of a review is somehow a complete loss of rational thinking.
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I assume you haven't paid attention to the UC3 review aftermath. Off the top of my head, pennyarcade did a video that featured it, along with mega64 making a two minute long video about it. I'm sure his list will be featured somewhere as well. People like negative reactions, that's why the news exists.
 
I was screwing around with the Skylanders display at Target at lunch, and thought how neat it would be for Nintendo to do a Zelda with that kind of mechanic. Zelda's current target audience would eat that up.
 
Furret said:
I normally don't go in for conspiracy theories, but there is something very odd about the Gamespot review. The other lower marked reviews talk about a slow first few hours and not changing the formula enough - as far as I know no one has had the sort of issues Gamespot has had with the controls. Surely someone would've mentioned it by now if it'd been this kind of game-breaking problem?

And why was the Gamespot review so late anyway? In fact why are they always much later compared to other sites, even though they must surely get copies before anyone else?
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My guesses to your latter question are that McShea probably needed more time to compile the review and get his thoughts in order. If you think about it, the 7.5 is a really different score from other people and he probably decided that it'd be best to sit on it for the weekend. Not only this but I've heard previously that the reviewer must discuss with the other reviewers of why the score is justified. In this case I think it took longer.
 
Furret said:
I normally don't go in for conspiracy theories, but there is something very odd about the Gamespot review. The other lower marked reviews talk about a slow first few hours and not changing the formula enough - as far as I know no one has had the sort of issues Gamespot has had with the controls. Surely someone would've mentioned it by now if it'd been this kind of game-breaking problem?

And why was the Gamespot review so late anyway? In fact why are they always much later compared to other sites, even though they must surely get copies before anyone else?
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Crunched said:
Did I miss anyone?

The worst thing about this is, a lot of you guys were fine, rational people until this review came along. And then it went all conspiracy talk. It's one opinionated review. No one's out to assault the metascore.
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Reading through your list, I would say there is nothing wrong with at least half of those quotes. Sure, some belong on the Wall of Shame but I think you are stretching it with others.
 
so there are some reviews that gave a lower score because they claim the motion-controller is inaccurate yet some reviews say the game is great and works incredibly well...
Geez, after 5 years of Wii who could see that coming?!
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Seriously, I am actually impressed that the opinion it works are more sounding and frequent then the opinion that it doesn't. I expect the OT here to be just as polarized...
 
Rolf NB said:
Me, or rather my parents, actually had a cat that was killed by car. That's some 25 years ago though. I'm not sure it's relevant here.
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Disclaimer: I wasn't a part of the Uncharted 3 meltdown thread.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, but from an outsider's point of view (don't own a Wii, never played a Zelda game), everyone here acts so hostile and it makes you all look equally bad. We have people lashing out at the 7.5 review and others who simply want to watch them get banned. This atmosphere full of hatred not only towards review sites, but other members at well isn't really enjoyable and I'd hate it if it would spread out to other threads.

That wall of shame/stupidity/whateveryouwannacallit shouldn't become a regular occurence.
 
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