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[Wiz]

People writing songs for others ain't a big deal.

I don't know how much you all know about hip-hop (I'm an expert). But it's all fine and dandy until you go out and say you're the best to ever do it...hottest MC in da game...etc. Once people find out you got other folks sharing bars with you? NAH SON IT'S OVA. It's all about credibility. In hip-hop it's competitive, people want to be the best, and your bars is the biggest factor in that, so they better be your own.

 

[oc]

I believe some rappers have never used writers.

Like eminem, because his style is so unique
Plus his bad stuff is so bad I can't believe he paid anyone else to write it
Plus I remember some documentary when he would write lyrics down obsessively

And joe budden isn't big big, but I think he writes all his own stuff

That would be a good thread
Who writes their own rhymes?

What if Kendrick wrote the line a rapper with a ghost writer with a ghost writer?

budden is a bitch

 

[Zeeman]

How did no one post these tweets by 73 year old Toronto city councillor Norm Kelly?

Norm is the only politician worth following on Twitter

 

[Wavebossa]

Norm is the only politician worth following on Twitter

I still refuse to believe any of this is real.

Hell I don't even think Twitter is real. Its all fake, every tweet is ghost-written by someone else.

I mean, have any of you actually seen Meek type out a tweet?

 

[Fjordson]

You're talking about Drake "shifting things" in mainstream hip hop in terms of being emotionally vulnerable. He didn't. Dudes have done it before. Dudes will do it after. Those songs were a couple of examples off the top of my head that were released and popular well before Drake came around.

I mean if you weren't aware of it, then you weren't aware. But the fact is that while talented at doing what he does, Drake hasn't done anything yet that's changed the genre.

That's not to say Drake is the first dude to ever present an emotionally vulnerable persona in hip-hop

Definitely never suggested emotional songs didn't exist before Drake, nor am I saying he's completely revolutionized music. Just sayin' no one had been on top of the mainstream this long with what Drake is doing in hip-hop. He (and Kanye even earlier with 808s and shit) have had a wide influence over the past 7-8 years.

Like bringing up Common lol. Dude has never been even half as big as Drake and his entire style didn't revolve around that sort of thing like Drake's does. Or at least did before If You're Reading This.

 

[manfestival]

Is it a surprise?

This is a guy who deadlifts catbacked using gloves

I cant stop laughing

 

[Jest Chillin]

Definitely never suggested emotional songs didn't exist before Drake, nor am I saying he's completely revolutionized music. Just sayin' no one had been on top of the mainstream this long with what Drake is doing in hip-hop. He (and Kanye even earlier with 808s and shit) have had a wide influence over the past 7-8 years.

Like bringing up Common lol. Dude has never been even half as big as Drake and his entire style didn't revolve around that sort of thing like Drake's does. Or at least did before If You're Reading This.

"Shifted things" definitely doesn't suggest "been on top of the mainstream this long" at all. I'm not seeing Drake influence manifesting in others. Half his actual rapping style was birthed out of the YM machine and I don't see a deluge of dudes trying to croon their own hooks and bridges...

An artist doesn't need to sell out Arenas to influence the genre. "I used to love H.E.R." has influenced more artists than anything Drake has done and "Bitch in Yoo" is literally the kind of battle/diss joint that Drake dreams of writing while he's watching KOTD battles on his tour bus.

Drake has never been totally about emotional vulnerability. He's always tried to walk the line between that and a feared lyricist.

 

[Just_myles]

So yeah. Ghost writing is not a thing for me. Jay Z has written for other rappers. It's pretty common

 

[RefigeKru]

I've always assumed. But then I've always hated Drake. *shrug*

 

[Hip Hop]

So yeah. Ghost writing is not a thing for me. Jay Z has written for other rappers. It's pretty common

It's different when you are claiming to be the greatest, like Drake has.

You don't deserve that title, you may be real good, but you're not the greatest if you aren't writing your stuff.

It's no big deal I guess for some, but he deserves to get checked.

 

[Furyous]

Is it a surprise?

This is a guy who deadlifts catbacked using gloves

That's 277 pounds from the looks of things while you're bullshitting.

Drake has to body Meek on track worse than Cassidy and Cyssero did.

This has to be a one take ETHER. Meek dared to harm Drake's career over this all off jealously. Nicki has to pick a side ASAP. Wheelchair Jimmy is in a strong position to hurt Meek moving forward. Yeezy somewhere taking notes like fuck this Meek dude for popping off at the mouth.

 

[Fjordson]

Drake has never been totally about emotional vulnerability. He's always tried to walk the line between that and a feared lyricist.

Come on, there's a whole "Drake the type of ninja" meme about him being soft. Obviously not every single bar was about him being vulnerable, but that was his style. Maybe still is depending on what Views from the 6 is like.

It's different when you are claiming to be the greatest, like Drake has.

You don't deserve that title, you may be real good, but you're not the greatest if you aren't writing your stuff.

It's no big deal I guess for some, but he deserves to get checked.

Why are we assuming Drake doesn't write lol. We know about parts of one verse on one song.

And I can't think of too many things in life more commonplace than a rapper claiming he's the best. Though for the record, even as a Drake fan, I've never considered him the greatest. Great music, but not the GOAT.

 

[overcast]

If Quentin Miller wrote the whole song and got credit alongside drake's name it's not ghostwriting. But it's still a bad look.

 

[SamuelSupreme]

How did no one post these tweets by 73 year old Toronto city councillor Norm Kelly?

ETHER

 

[lastflowers]

my favorite show for....like...I guess whenever it was on. Had a VHS of it!

 

[stn]

Is rap "beef" still a thing, then?

EDIT: Those Tweets. Oh man, hilarious.

 

[Fjordson]

If Quentin Miller wrote the whole song and got credit alongside drake's name it's not ghostwriting. But it's still a bad look.

If Quentin sent Drake a finished 10 Bands as it appeared on the album I feel like Funkmaster Flex would have played it on the radio yesterday. Don't think it's a coincidence that Flex kept cutting it after the first verse.

Still not a good look, but yeah.

 

[Glass Rebel]

If Quentin Miller wrote the whole song and got credit alongside drake's name it's not ghostwriting. But it's still a bad look.

10 Bands is on Flex but afaik Meek claimed that the RICO verse Drake gave him was written by Quentin as well.

 

[overcast]

Well the extent of this whole thing is still unclear at the moment.

 

[old manatee]

So he is just like 99% of all huge pop stars.

 

[Fjordson]

10 Bands is on Flex but afaik Meek claimed that the RICO verse Drake gave him was written by Quentin as well.

This is what I thought Flex was gonna drop because as far as I know Quentin isn't credited on Rico. That would have been huge.

 

[supernormal]

Well if you look at the credits of the songs on the albums of probably any rapper ( and to bigger extent other artists in general) there like 20 people that get credited per song. If you look at any BTS of the recording there's always a whole bunch of people in the studio as well.

At the end of the day Drake could come out and say " I haven't wrote a single lyric in my life" and things wouldn't be too different for him.

 

[MarzipaNMOS]

That's 277 pounds from the looks of things while you're bullshitting.

he might end up as wheelchair jimmy irl if that's his deadlift form

also 270 lbs deadlift is manlet status at the gym, brb benching that

Spoiler

half joking since i can squat that

 

[wild wild rice]

So he is just like 99% of all huge pop stars.

Ohhhhhh shit you just woke the beast.

 

[Fjordson]

Yeah he probably shouldn't have posted workout shit on the internet. Always someone out there with better form than you

 

[Hip Hop]

Why are we assuming Drake doesn't write lol. We know about parts of one verse on one song.

And I can't think of too many things in life more commonplace than a rapper claiming he's the best. Though for the record, even as a Drake fan, I've never considered him the greatest. Great music, but not the GOAT.

Well, yeah. That's why he's getting checked, asking questions about it. We don't know the extent of this ghostwriting stuff. Maybe it's deeper than this, maybe it's not. Even Nas has been accused of this before and nothing happened. This is pretty much how it will go for Drake if he plays it well.

Is rap "beef" still a thing, then?

EDIT: Those Tweets. Oh man, hilarious.

Not at the level it used to be back in the days, just some. It's more so the streets vs rappers now in days. Some die here and there because of that.

 

[phanphare]

Is rap "beef" still a thing, then?

EDIT: Those Tweets. Oh man, hilarious.

ask the GoaTface Killah

 

[oti]

What if the music industry finds itself under pressure since kids these days only care about Snapchat and Minecraft and so they decided to stage some beef on Twitter?

 

[dripdripsplash]

I hope we get some awesome diss tracks out of this!

 

[old manatee]

Ohhhhhh shit you just woke the beast.

I just assumed that nobody here actually thinks of Drake as a rapper.

 

[Acorn]

So yeah. Ghost writing is not a thing for me. Jay Z has written for other rappers. It's pretty common

Jigga got credits on puffy and dre stuff. Think he got credits on the majority of roc stuff he wrote too.

But apparently this dude got credited on Drake's shit too so it's not really ghost written for either. Plus who gives a shit bout Drake in terms of skill. Nobody is calling him the best mc.

 

[Red_Man]

Meek trying to fall back today because Nicki told him to chill was hilarious.

As for Drake using ghostwriters, Kendrick tried to tell yall cats on King Kunta

I can dig rappin
but a rapper with a ghostwriter/what the fuck happen

I swore I wouldn't tell/but most of yall sharing bars like you got the bottom bunk of a two man cell

 

[Wavebossa]

I just assumed that nobody here actually thinks of Drake as a rapper.

but.. he raps bruh.

You may not think he's good but... he raps...

That's like saying you don't think Roy Hibert is a basketball player.

I mean... he's hot garbage but....

 

[TuXx]

I'm sure "Drake" is in the lab right now writing the illest diss track we've ever heard.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'mm a listen to Pound Cake whether Drake wrote the shit or not, so I don't give a fuck.

Shit like this only matters in debates about where artists are in the pantheon of all-time greats of hip hop history.

 

[Wavebossa]

I'mm a listen to Pound Cake whether Drake wrote the shit or not, so I don't give a fuck.

Shit like this only matters in debates about where artists are in the pantheon of all-time greats of hip hop history.

cake cake cake cake cake upside down cake


Somebody please write for Jay-Z

 

[old manatee]

but.. he raps bruh.

You may not think he's good but... he raps...

That's like saying you don't think Roy Hibert is a basketball player.

I mean... he's hot garbage but....

Taylor Swift raps sometimes, too.

Spoiler

Also has a ghostwriter.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

cake cake cake cake cake upside down cake


Somebody please write for Jay-Z

that beat tho

 

[HiResDes]

I'm sure "Drake" is in the lab right now writing the illest diss track we've ever heard.

His team sure as hell is. Probably got Bryson Tiller referencing the hook and everything.

 

[Village]

considering Drake's strong suit is the production of the song, I don't particularly think this means much. That said if true, its sort of sad, not because he has a ghost writer, but rather, his rhymes are not good anyway. So its like " you payed someone to write that? Really ?"

 

[Wavebossa]

Taylor Swift raps sometimes, too.

Spoiler

Also has a ghostwriter.

We all know Taylor Swift is a rapper. She's been in the lab ever since Kanye snatched the mic.

When she drops, all of ChiTown is gonna feel it

Spoiler

I take nothing seriously

 

[Grover Cleveland]

btw the cat that Meek accused of ghostwriting for Drake, Quentin Miller, used his 5 minutes appropriately and dropped a mixtape. Here's a track

This track reveals a fundamental truth of why ghostwriters exist: Some cats just aren't that nice behind the mic. I mean, you can have a wild pen game, but if the vocals are wack, the track is wack. End of story.

This negus has the charisma of a doorknob.

Spoiler

This track also sounds suspiciously like something Big Sean would rap, but that's another story for another time

 

[Syntsui]

Honestly, what's worse for street cred, having dudes writing for you or being a fucking bitch ass snitch?

 

[Wavebossa]

Honestly, what's worse for street cred, having dudes writing for you or being a fucking bitch ass snitch?

Um... snitch is 10000x worse.

Its not even comparable.

Drake is winning this war without firing a single shot

EDIT: read the responses to Meek, no one is caping up for this dude.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Honestly, what's worse for street cred, having dudes writing for you or being a fucking bitch ass snitch?

You'll just get clowned for having a ghostwriter.

Talking to the coppers can get you killed.

 

[old manatee]

Um... snitch is 10000x worse.

Its not even comparable.

Drake is winning this war without firing a single shot

EDIT: read the responses to Meek, no one is caping up for this dude.

But I heard his squats were weak sauce.

 

[Red_Man]

Drake probably won't even respond. Meek is at his highest point in his career and it would still be an average day for Drake.

 

[Wavebossa]

But I heard his squats were weak sauce.

You didn't hear? He threw out his back

Spoiler

...I have no chill

 

[lovely ladies]

How did no one post these tweets by 73 year old Toronto city councillor Norm Kelly?

.

 

[The Auxiliary]

I thought everyone had writers... So...