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So, Drake is being accused of using ghost writers. Fuckery inside.

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Wiz

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People writing songs for others ain't a big deal.

I don't know how much you all know about hip-hop (I'm an expert). But it's all fine and dandy until you go out and say you're the best to ever do it...hottest MC in da game...etc. Once people find out you got other folks sharing bars with you? NAH SON IT'S OVA. It's all about credibility. In hip-hop it's competitive, people want to be the best, and your bars is the biggest factor in that, so they better be your own.
 

oc

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I believe some rappers have never used writers.

Like eminem, because his style is so unique
Plus his bad stuff is so bad I can't believe he paid anyone else to write it
Plus I remember some documentary when he would write lyrics down obsessively

And joe budden isn't big big, but I think he writes all his own stuff

That would be a good thread
Who writes their own rhymes?

What if Kendrick wrote the line a rapper with a ghost writer with a ghost writer?
budden is a bitch
 

Zeeman

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How did no one post these tweets by 73 year old Toronto city councillor Norm Kelly?

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Norm is the only politician worth following on Twitter
 

Wavebossa

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Norm is the only politician worth following on Twitter

I still refuse to believe any of this is real.

Hell I don't even think Twitter is real. Its all fake, every tweet is ghost-written by someone else.

I mean, have any of you actually seen Meek type out a tweet?
 

Fjordson

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You're talking about Drake "shifting things" in mainstream hip hop in terms of being emotionally vulnerable. He didn't. Dudes have done it before. Dudes will do it after. Those songs were a couple of examples off the top of my head that were released and popular well before Drake came around.

I mean if you weren't aware of it, then you weren't aware. But the fact is that while talented at doing what he does, Drake hasn't done anything yet that's changed the genre.
That's not to say Drake is the first dude to ever present an emotionally vulnerable persona in hip-hop

Definitely never suggested emotional songs didn't exist before Drake, nor am I saying he's completely revolutionized music. Just sayin' no one had been on top of the mainstream this long with what Drake is doing in hip-hop. He (and Kanye even earlier with 808s and shit) have had a wide influence over the past 7-8 years.

Like bringing up Common lol. Dude has never been even half as big as Drake and his entire style didn't revolve around that sort of thing like Drake's does. Or at least did before If You're Reading This.
 
Definitely never suggested emotional songs didn't exist before Drake, nor am I saying he's completely revolutionized music. Just sayin' no one had been on top of the mainstream this long with what Drake is doing in hip-hop. He (and Kanye even earlier with 808s and shit) have had a wide influence over the past 7-8 years.

Like bringing up Common lol. Dude has never been even half as big as Drake and his entire style didn't revolve around that sort of thing like Drake's does. Or at least did before If You're Reading This.

"Shifted things" definitely doesn't suggest "been on top of the mainstream this long" at all. I'm not seeing Drake influence manifesting in others. Half his actual rapping style was birthed out of the YM machine and I don't see a deluge of dudes trying to croon their own hooks and bridges...

An artist doesn't need to sell out Arenas to influence the genre. "I used to love H.E.R." has influenced more artists than anything Drake has done and "Bitch in Yoo" is literally the kind of battle/diss joint that Drake dreams of writing while he's watching KOTD battles on his tour bus.

Drake has never been totally about emotional vulnerability. He's always tried to walk the line between that and a feared lyricist.
 

Hip Hop

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So yeah. Ghost writing is not a thing for me. Jay Z has written for other rappers. It's pretty common

It's different when you are claiming to be the greatest, like Drake has.

You don't deserve that title, you may be real good, but you're not the greatest if you aren't writing your stuff.

It's no big deal I guess for some, but he deserves to get checked.
 

Furyous

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Is it a surprise?

This is a guy who deadlifts catbacked using gloves

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That's 277 pounds from the looks of things while you're bullshitting.

Drake has to body Meek on track worse than Cassidy and Cyssero did.

This has to be a one take ETHER. Meek dared to harm Drake's career over this all off jealously. Nicki has to pick a side ASAP. Wheelchair Jimmy is in a strong position to hurt Meek moving forward. Yeezy somewhere taking notes like fuck this Meek dude for popping off at the mouth.
 

Fjordson

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Drake has never been totally about emotional vulnerability. He's always tried to walk the line between that and a feared lyricist.
Come on, there's a whole "Drake the type of ninja" meme about him being soft. Obviously not every single bar was about him being vulnerable, but that was his style. Maybe still is depending on what Views from the 6 is like.

It's different when you are claiming to be the greatest, like Drake has.

You don't deserve that title, you may be real good, but you're not the greatest if you aren't writing your stuff.

It's no big deal I guess for some, but he deserves to get checked.
Why are we assuming Drake doesn't write lol. We know about parts of one verse on one song.

And I can't think of too many things in life more commonplace than a rapper claiming he's the best. Though for the record, even as a Drake fan, I've never considered him the greatest. Great music, but not the GOAT.
 

overcast

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If Quentin Miller wrote the whole song and got credit alongside drake's name it's not ghostwriting. But it's still a bad look.
 

Fjordson

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If Quentin Miller wrote the whole song and got credit alongside drake's name it's not ghostwriting. But it's still a bad look.
If Quentin sent Drake a finished 10 Bands as it appeared on the album I feel like Funkmaster Flex would have played it on the radio yesterday. Don't think it's a coincidence that Flex kept cutting it after the first verse.

Still not a good look, but yeah.
 
Well if you look at the credits of the songs on the albums of probably any rapper ( and to bigger extent other artists in general) there like 20 people that get credited per song. If you look at any BTS of the recording there's always a whole bunch of people in the studio as well.

At the end of the day Drake could come out and say " I haven't wrote a single lyric in my life" and things wouldn't be too different for him.
 

Fjordson

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Yeah he probably shouldn't have posted workout shit on the internet. Always someone out there with better form than you
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Hip Hop

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Why are we assuming Drake doesn't write lol. We know about parts of one verse on one song.

And I can't think of too many things in life more commonplace than a rapper claiming he's the best. Though for the record, even as a Drake fan, I've never considered him the greatest. Great music, but not the GOAT.

Well, yeah. That's why he's getting checked, asking questions about it. We don't know the extent of this ghostwriting stuff. Maybe it's deeper than this, maybe it's not. Even Nas has been accused of this before and nothing happened. This is pretty much how it will go for Drake if he plays it well.

Is rap "beef" still a thing, then?

EDIT: Those Tweets. Oh man, hilarious.

Not at the level it used to be back in the days, just some. It's more so the streets vs rappers now in days. Some die here and there because of that.
 

oti

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What if the music industry finds itself under pressure since kids these days only care about Snapchat and Minecraft and so they decided to stage some beef on Twitter?
 

Acorn

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So yeah. Ghost writing is not a thing for me. Jay Z has written for other rappers. It's pretty common
Jigga got credits on puffy and dre stuff. Think he got credits on the majority of roc stuff he wrote too.

But apparently this dude got credited on Drake's shit too so it's not really ghost written for either. Plus who gives a shit bout Drake in terms of skill. Nobody is calling him the best mc.
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Meek trying to fall back today because Nicki told him to chill was hilarious.

As for Drake using ghostwriters, Kendrick tried to tell yall cats on King Kunta

I can dig rappin
but a rapper with a ghostwriter/what the fuck happen

I swore I wouldn't tell/but most of yall sharing bars like you got the bottom bunk of a two man cell
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I'mm a listen to Pound Cake whether Drake wrote the shit or not, so I don't give a fuck.

Shit like this only matters in debates about where artists are in the pantheon of all-time greats of hip hop history.
 

Wavebossa

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I'mm a listen to Pound Cake whether Drake wrote the shit or not, so I don't give a fuck.

Shit like this only matters in debates about where artists are in the pantheon of all-time greats of hip hop history.

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Somebody please write for Jay-Z :(
 

Village

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considering Drake's strong suit is the production of the song, I don't particularly think this means much. That said if true, its sort of sad, not because he has a ghost writer, but rather, his rhymes are not good anyway. So its like " you payed someone to write that? Really ?"
 
btw the cat that Meek accused of ghostwriting for Drake, Quentin Miller, used his 5 minutes appropriately and dropped a mixtape. Here's a track

This track reveals a fundamental truth of why ghostwriters exist: Some cats just aren't that nice behind the mic. I mean, you can have a wild pen game, but if the vocals are wack, the track is wack. End of story.

This negus has the charisma of a doorknob.

This track also sounds suspiciously like something Big Sean would rap, but that's another story for another time
 

Wavebossa

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Honestly, what's worse for street cred, having dudes writing for you or being a fucking bitch ass snitch?

Um... snitch is 10000x worse.

Its not even comparable.

Drake is winning this war without firing a single shot

EDIT: read the responses to Meek, no one is caping up for this dude.
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Drake probably won't even respond. Meek is at his highest point in his career and it would still be an average day for Drake.
 
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