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[Represent.]

I don't care. I'm in it for the music. If it sounds good, then why should I give a shit who wrote it. Especially if the dude is credited. People take this "authenticity" stuff too seriously, its just entertainment.

It'd be different if we were talking about JK Rowling not writing Harry Potter... But we're talking about Drake not writing a rap song. -___-

 

[effzee]

What a bitch Funk Flex is. This dude gets on my nerves like no other.

On one hand will talk about keeping the peace and deading rap beef cause it led to fatalities in the past. But soon as there is some fuckery he dives head first into it so long as he has the exclusive.

Same shit with how he will have on dudes to freestyle to test if they can really rap but then will turn around and say "I don't care for lyrics or lyricists" and just cares if the song bumps.

How old is he now anyway? 50 something? We can't get some fresh blood?

On topic I'm not much of a Drake fan but I highly doubt he doesn't rap his own stuff. He probably gets lines and stuff from his team but that's true for probably most "real" rappers anyway. Ghostwriting is more about not even crediting a dude and usually done by dudes who have no ability to write or rap themselves. Dudes like Diddy, Dre, Kanye, or JD. Notice the trend? Mostly producers who also want to be rappers.

 

[Retromelon]

Nah, it's real but he deleted it real quick.

I laughed irl, thank u for this

 

[XAL]

Why is this a big deal?

Beyonce has barely written any songs on her own.

Isn't this common among all pop-ish artists?

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Does the common person care? Seems like only the freestyle heads only care about it, and it's probably confusing to the avg listener. It's like those fedora nerds arguing about being true to the subject matter in their respective obsessions.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Does the common person care? Seems like only the freestyle heads only care about it, and it's probably confusing to the avg listener. It's like those fedora nerds arguing about being true to the subject matter in their respective obsessions.

The common person didn't care. Just like they didn't care when Benzino tried to expose Eminem and he went on to sell like mad. Just like they didn't care when what's-his-face tried to expose Lil Wayne for having a ghostwriter and he went on to sell like mad. Just like they didn't care when Fitty tried to expose Rick Ross for being a CO and he went on to sell like mad. People don't care.

 

[ngff02]

I'm no Drake fan but.... who is Meek Mill? some flash in the pan rapper?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm no Drake fan but.... who is Meek Mill? some flash in the pan rapper?

He's Rick Ross's Mase.

 

[Eos]

I'm no Drake fan but.... who is Meek Mill? some flash in the pan rapper?

a banshee

 

[Mysterious]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

 

[Immaculate]

Im surprised Meek can still get away with using the same exact flow in every one of his songs.

Meek literally doesn't have a single memorable verse from the 15-20 songs I have heard him in.

I await the ether

drakes overall sound has been the same for 2 years and he gets away with it

or quetins sound rather

 

[Syntsui]

Why is this a big deal?

Beyonce has barely written any songs on her own.

Isn't this common among all pop-ish artists?

Beyoncé is not a rapper. Different games.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

"Meek knows when Drake texts her and she shows him the entire conversation. Drake having a ghostwriter is corny, if true."

 

[jadedm17]

Welcome to the Internet Era, where blind accusation means more than actual evidence; Drake can't really definitively prove otherwise so he loses no matter what. Its a sad age indeed.

 

[theignoramus]

Im surprised Meek can still get away with using the same exact flow in every one of his songs.

Meek literally doesn't have a single memorable verse from the 15-20 songs I have heard him in.

I await the ether

Intro to dreams and nightmares is extremely well regarded by rap heads , Traumatized and that Ice Cream freestyle he did fresh out of jail.
Resonates with me more than 99 percent of Drakes whole fucking catalogue. Meek at least raps occasionally about black issues ,something Drake NEVER does.

 

[Hip Hop]

Im surprised Meek can still get away with using the same exact flow in every one of his songs.

Meek literally doesn't have a single memorable verse from the 15-20 songs I have heard him in.

I await the ether

That intro of his on Dreams and Nightmares like said above, many people consider it a great song, memorable. but yeah, different tastes.

I seriously hold it to one of the top 10 rap songs out this half decade.

 

[Vice]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

It is a response to her ex Safaree saying Ms. Minaj still texts and emails him. Ms. Minaj is saying that Mr. Mill sees their entire conversation when a Mr. Safaree texts her.

 

[theignoramus]

That intro of his on Dreams and Nightmares like said above, many people consider it a great song, memorable. but yeah, different tastes.

I seriously hold it to one of the top 10 rap songs out this half decade.

Fucking right it is.
Monster and Lord Knows are pretty epic tracks too.
The boy knows how to rap about the fruits and pitfalls of realizing the American dream.
He's incredibly cinematic at his best but his yelling means you can only take him in short bursts.
Still ...as if Aubrey would ever spit the lines Meek spat on Ice Cream.....

"In my cell hanging from a rope
where you get less time for rape than for selling dope"

 

[BadAss2961]

It is a response to her ex Safaree saying Ms. Minaj still texts and emails him. Ms. Minaj is saying that Mr. Mill sees their entire conversation when a Mr. Safaree texts her.

What's with these guys and going through their chick's phones? Didn't Drake write (or have someone write) about doing that too?

 

[block tower]

Fucking right it is.
Monster and Lord Knows are pretty epic tracks too.
The boy knows how to rap about the fruits and pitfalls of realizing the American dream.
He's incredibly cinematic at his best but his yelling means you can only take him in short bursts.
Still ...as if Aubrey would ever spit the lines Meek spat on Ice Cream.....

"In my cell hanging from a rope
where you get less time for rape than for selling dope"

Dope Dealer with Nicki Manaj and Rick Ross would've been a real big hit for Meek Mill if it wasn't called Dope Dealer. Remember that off his last mixtape and it being huge on hiphop blogs but probably was stifled on satellite radio and city radio stations cause it was called Dope Dealer. Meek had a lot of big hits off his mixtape, he just doesn't make quite as good marketing decisions like a radio artist would.

 

[Retromelon]

Meek is ross's ma$e pffhahahah

 

[...Scatter...]

Loved this show. lol

And Meek Mill can fuck right off with the keeping it real gone wrong. Especially when your GF made you apologize. Do we want rappers to write their own shit? Yes. Doesn't mean every bit has to be 100% authentic in a genre where Rod Stewart, Sting, Phil Collins, etc, get sampled.

 

[deefol]

Why is this a big deal?

Beyonce has barely written any songs on her own.

Isn't this common among all pop-ish artists?

Beyonce is a vocalist, even though she does write and has an ascap award for songwriter of the year, this is completely different

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Is it a surprise?

This is a guy who deadlifts catbacked using gloves

Lol 275 with gloves why

 

[Fjordson]

I'm no Drake fan but.... who is Meek Mill? some flash in the pan rapper?

Not quite a flash in the pan, but wack nonetheless. Dumb ass yells on the mic on every verse like he got lost on his way back to the campsite. Also funny to note that his most popular song on iTunes is RICO featuring none other than Drake (and that was true before all this blew up).

All Meek would have to do to win was have a woman flashing Drake and he'll walk away

And what is this lol. Meek making y'all lose your damn minds.

 

[block tower]

saw this http://youtu.be/-uKSeyYFGRo a bit ago .

2nd freestyle Drake reads from his blackberry sounds like a Tyga verse for real. never saw that he did a freestyle, so this is new to me but c'mon bruh, reading from your phone? smh

 

[Steez]

saw this http://youtu.be/-uKSeyYFGRo a bit ago .

2nd freestyle Drake reads from his blackberry sounds like a Tyga verse for real. never saw that he did a freestyle, so this is new to me but c'mon bruh, reading from your phone? smh

To be fair, barely anybody does real freestyles anymore. Even cats people consider to be "real" rappers usually spit a written on radio shows.

Reading your raps from a phone is some next level cornball shit though, lol.

lmao @ "it doesn't get much realer than this"

edit:

Dumb ass yells on the mic on every verse like he got lost on his way back to the campsite.

 

[Ke0]

saw this http://youtu.be/-uKSeyYFGRo a bit ago .

2nd freestyle Drake reads from his blackberry sounds like a Tyga verse for real. never saw that he did a freestyle, so this is new to me but c'mon bruh, reading from your phone? smh

I didn't like Drake back when he was biting Tyga's horrible style complete with that weird "Agh!" adlib.

Thank god he stopped doing that.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Doesnt matter Drake music is 10 fold meek mills shit.And just because he dont write it dont mean what he saying aint true lol.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Who's actually surprised by this? tons of artists use ghostwriters =\

Is this the new drake defence force response? Everybody is doing it, so it's okay.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Meek Mill being emotional again...he already looked wack when he went at Wale for no reason. Dude needs to chill.

 

[block tower]

Is this the new drake defence force response? Everybody is doing it, so it's okay.

Drake fans aren't always hiphop fans do give em a break, might think Drake really is the light skin Keith Sweat lol

 

[Fjordson]

Is this the new drake defence force response? Everybody is doing it, so it's okay.

What do you mean "okay". Of course it's okay. It's a rap song. It's music. Is there an elitist hip-hop jury out there that's gonna throw him in rap jail?

Drake (or any artist in any genre) could come out tomorrow and say "I have never written a single lyric in my entire life" and it'd be the definition of "okay". It's not like he used someone's bars and then dumped their body in the ocean.

Edit: of course it's not even a ghost writer when the guy is credited as a composer, so that's a different situation anyway.

 

[block tower]

What do you mean "okay". Of course it's okay. It's a rap song. It's music. Is there an elitist hip-hop jury out there that's gonna throw him in rap jail?

Drake (or any artist in any genre) could come out tomorrow and say "I have never written a single lyric in my entire life" and it'd be the definition of "okay". It's not like he used someone's bars and then dumped their body in the ocean.

Edit: of course it's not even a ghost writer when the guy is credited as a composer, so that's a different situation anyway.

You obviously have zero understanding of hiphop . the genre is in a genre all of its own not comparable to other genres of music. ghostwriting is fine if you own up to being that type of artist in hiphop, if not, then you better not be caught with a ghostwriter. this isn't even a debate in hiphop .

 

[Fjordson]

You obviously have zero understanding of hiphop . the genre is in a genre all of its own not comparable to other genres of music. ghostwriting is fine if you own up to being that type of artist in hiphop, if not, then you better not be caught with a ghostwriter. this isn't even a debate in hiphop .

1. Since the album's release the writer in question was listed as a composer. It's not ghost writing.

2. But let's say he wasn't credited. Again, he was, but let's say he wasn't. What happens? Does hip-hop have a Judge Dredd who finds them and smokes their ass? What does it matter?

If the consequence is that random people on Twitter or rappers who prioritize "being real" over making decent music think less of said artist then...well shit, I guess you got me there. But I'm not sure that's really that serious of a consequence tbh.

All I'm saying is that this hypothetical situation isn't illegal or something. You're taking it way way too seriously. If it makes you personally think less of someone, then more power to you, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's really not some grave offense. It's just music. The goal is just to make something people are interested in. It ain't the Rap Olympics every time someone steps into the studio.

 

[block tower]

1. Since the album's release the writer in question was listed as a composer. It's not ghost writing.

2. But let's say he wasn't credited. Again, he was, but let's say he wasn't. What happens? Does hip-hop have a Judge Dredd who finds them and smokes their ass? What does it matter?

If the consequence is that random people on Twitter or rappers who prioritize "being real" over making decent music think less of said artist then...well shit, I guess you got me there. But I'm not sure that's really that serious of a consequence tbh.

All I'm saying is that this hypothetical situation isn't illegal or something. You're taking it way way too seriously. If it makes you personally think less of someone, then more power to you, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's really not some grave offense. It's just music. The goal is just to make something people are interested in. It ain't the Rap Olympics every time someone steps into the studio.

your speaking on a subject that your showing you don't understand . hiphop is taken seriously by people who invest time in it. I've been going to battle rap, shows and more since I was ten, I take the music and it's culture fairly seriously like many in it do. your shitting on "rules " in hiphop like they don't matter, the do.

 

[Nibel]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

This is about her ex, not Drake

 

[Fjordson]

your speaking on a subject that your showing you don't understand . hiphop is taken seriously by people who invest time in it. I've been going to battle rap, shows and more since I was ten, I take the music and it's culture fairly seriously like many in it do. your shitting on "rules " in hiphop like they don't matter, the do.

If we're talking time invested, does anyone really think Drake hasn't invested time into his music? I think even his most passionate haters wouldn't try to claim that.

I'm not trying to shit on battle rappers or whatever, but I'm not sure what they have to do with a mainstream recording artist. It's two very different sectors of hip-hop with very different methods and very different goals.

 

[abuC]

1. Since the album's release the writer in question was listed as a composer. It's not ghost over making decent music think less of said artist then...well shit, I guess you got me writing.

2. But let's say he wasn't credited. Again, he was, but let's say he wasn't. What happens? Does hip-hop have a Judge Dredd who finds them and smokes their ass? What does it matter?

If the consequence is that random people on Twitter or rappers who prioritize "being real" there. But I'm not sure that's really that serious of a consequence tbh.

All I'm saying is that this hypothetical situation isn't illegal or something. You're taking it way way too seriously. If it makes you personally think less of someone, then more power to you, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's really not some grave offense. It's just music. The goal is just to make something people are interested in. It ain't the Rap Olympics every time someone steps into the studio.

There's a difference between someone ghostwritting for you and another rapper doing a reference track for you giving you the hook, first verse, rhyme pattern and cadence of a track.

Great rappers never have someone else lay that out for them and it's not "okay" when part of being a rapper is about your pen.

 

[FStop7]

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on Twitter was someone describing Meek's style of rapping as sounding like the guy in the passenger's seat of a car ordering food at the drive-through.

 

[Hidden One]

"Meek knows when Drake texts her and she shows him the entire conversation. Drake having a ghostwriter is corny, if true."

Dat space jam reach.

 

[abuC]

Lol 275 with gloves why

He also did half reps and had a spotter to bench.........on the smith machine lol.

 

[Fjordson]

There's a difference between someone ghostwritting for you and another rapper doing a reference track for you giving you the hook, first verse, rhyme pattern and cadence of a track.

Great rappers never have someone else lay that out for them and it's not "okay" when part of being a rapper is about your pen.

But why does one verse toss out a career? That seems like such an incredible overreaction. And even the verse in question sounded 10 times better in Drake's hands lol.

And I'd still argue that the goal is to make a hit record in this instance. Not every artist is trying to stay within some hip-hop purist set of rules. I'm not sure why people try to fit an entire genre into a box like some do with hip-hop. If it cheapens someone's music in your personal opinion then that's fine, but all this "IT MUST NOT STAND!" stuff feels so overly serious.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on Twitter was someone describing Meek's style of rapping as sounding like the guy in the passenger's seat of a car ordering food at the drive-through.

And it's so true lol. I saw someone describe it as being trapped on top of a mountain crying for help. Dude is awful. Could use a hookup for a writing team from Drake tbh.

 

[abuC]

But why does one verse toss out a career? That seems like such an incredible overreaction. And even the verse in question sounded 10 times better in Drake's hands lol.

And I'd still argue that the goal is to make a hit record in this instance. Not every artist is trying to stay within some hip-hop purist set of rules. I'm not sure why people try to fit an entire genre into a box like some do with hip-hop. If it cheapens someone's music in your personal opinion then that's fine, but all this "IT MUST NOT STAND!" stuff feels so overly serious.

It tosses out any claims he has to being one of the best rappers ever, because I have a hard time believing Nas, Rakim, Biggie, Pac, Jay-Z, Eminem, Andre3000 etc ever needed another rapper to do a reference track for them.


You want to call him a great pop star you'll get no objections from me, but calling him one of the best rappers ever just goes out the window. The greats wouldn't need Quentin Miller to drop a reference track for them, you think Kendrick Lamar needs Ab-Soul or Jay Rock to pen a track, then actually show him how to ride the beat?

 

[Glass Rebel]

But why does one verse toss out a career? That seems like such an incredible overreaction. And even the verse in question sounded 10 times better in Drake's hands lol.

And I'd still argue that the goal is to make a hit record in this instance. Not every artist is trying to stay within some hip-hop purist set of rules. I'm not sure why people try to fit an entire genre into a box like some do with hip-hop. If it cheapens someone's music in your personal opinion then that's fine, but all this "IT MUST NOT STAND!" stuff feels so overly serious.

Nobody can argue money or success but it will make people question his ability as a rapper/writer. I know his fanbase, you don't care, he's still gonna make money yadda yadda whatever but even though QM got writing credit "10 Bands (as interpreted by Drake)", Drake won't be able to claim best rapper anymore.

 

[Fjordson]

It tosses out any claims he has to being one of the best rappers ever, because I have a hard time believing Nas, Rakim, Biggie, Pac, Jay-Z, Eminem, Andre3000 etc ever needed another rapper to do a reference track for them.


You want to call him a great pop star you'll get no objections from me, but calling him one of the best rappers ever just goes out the window. The greats wouldn't need Quentin Miller to drop a reference track for them, you think Kendrick Lamar needs Ab-Soul or Jay Rock to pen a track, then actually show him how to ride the beat?

To your first point, I would agree, even before all this. I'm a Drake fan but never considered him the greatest MC ever or anything. Of course I don't think Drake cares about whether or not hip-hop heads think he's the greatest, but that's a different subject.

As for Kendrick, I thought the new album was ass so maybe a few reference tracks wouldn't hurt.

Nobody can argue money or success but it will make people question his ability as a rapper/writer. I know his fanbase, you don't care, he's still gonna make money yadda yadda whatever but even though QM got writing credit "10 Bands (as interpreted by Drake)", Drake won't be able to claim best rapper anymore.

Definitely people will question him, that's fine. Just all the corny seriousness in here was getting to be a little too much. Like Servbot said on the first page, authenticity when talking about an artist is pretty silly and doesn't automatically make for good music.

 

[Discotheque]

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on Twitter was someone describing Meek's style of rapping as sounding like the guy in the passenger's seat of a car ordering food at the drive-through.

*beat builds up...Maybach Music* "Hold on wait a minute, y'all thought i was finished, i want extra cheese on that burger hold the mayonnaise"

all that muthafucka does is scream. gotta admit though some tracks on dreams and nightmares were hot (especially the intro). but he's clearly just really mad that everybody was talking about drake's verse on Rico and nothing else on his boring ass new album.

 

[abuC]

To your first point, I would agree, even before all this. I'm a Drake fan but never considered him the greatest MC ever or anything. Of course I don't think Drake cares about whether or not hip-hop heads think he's the greatest, but that's a different subject.

As for Kendrick, I thought the new album was ass so maybe a few reference tracks wouldn't hurt.

Drake definitely cares about where he ranks, and this will hurt him because nobody who actually cares about hip hop will look at him the same.


Kendrick's album was fine, but maybe he needs to get his Shang Tsung on and shark other peoples styles like Drake. Amazing how Drake no longer sounds like The Weeknd now that he's no longer with OVO, just a coincidence I guess lol.

 

[Fjordson]

Drake definitely cares about where he ranks, and this will hurt him because nobody who actually cares about hip hop will look at him the same.

Dude has had a mountain of haters since he started lol. This is nothing new. I mean are people clowning on him for this former fans? "He was the greatest, but not now!" Or is it people who already didn't really care for him? I dunno, I'd guess it's a lot more of the latter

I'd also disagree with that last part. I mean I'm not sure how you'd conduct such a large poll of everyone who "actually cares about hip hop" (whatever that means).

 

[Glass Rebel]

Definitely people will question him, that's fine. Just all the corny seriousness in here was getting to be a little too much. Like Servbot said on the first page, authenticity when talking about an artist is pretty silly and doesn't automatically make for good music.

Too much for whom? If you don't want to discuss the implications of this, there are other threads you can contribute to. And Servbot is missing the point in that post. Nobody is arguing that this somehow lessens the quality of his music.