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[Fjordson]

Too much for whom? If you don't want to discuss the implications of this, there are other threads you can contribute to. And Servbot is missing the point in that post. Nobody is arguing that this somehow lessens the quality of his music.

Huh. I am discussing them. I'm suggesting the implications in general are not as heavy as what's being described in this thread. Which is merely my opinion, like basically every other post in here, 'cause who really knows how this will play out in the long run. Not trying to lock the thread or something.

edit: also want to be clear about this: Drake is not the GOAT and never was imo. I'm defending him and think he's great, but wouldn't put him on that tier.

all that muthafucka does is scream. gotta admit though some tracks on dreams and nightmares were hot (especially the intro). but he's clearly just really mad that everybody was talking about drake's verse on Rico and nothing else on his boring ass new album.

Yeah to be fair Dreams and Nightmares had some nice tracks. As for Rico, kinda funny that it's been the most popular Meek track on iTunes since the album dropped lol

 

[MarkMclovin]

Pop star arguments on twitter are funny.

 

[Steez]

Huh. I am discussing them. I'm suggesting the implications in general are not as heavy as what's being described in this thread. Which is merely my opinion, like basically every other post in here, 'cause who really knows how this will play out in the long run. Not trying to lock the thread or something.

The implications are not heavy simply because Drake is a pop artist first and rapper second. His fan base just doesn't care.
At best he's gonna catch some flak from people like Mill who try to ride the mainstream lane, albeit way less successful and that's it.
This whole thing is going to simmer down in a few weeks and people are going to line up for Drake features like it's business as usual, because dude sells records.

And as for the hip hop community, I mean, yeah, we look down upon artists who employ ghostwriters, which is admittedly pretty much the number 1 sin you can commit in the genre, but I think it's safe to say that heads don't really care much about Drake as an MC and never will.

 

[PreFire]

I'm not saying that Mill doesn't feel a certain type of way, but Drake using ghostwriters isn't really an outlandish statement. That Quentin dude sounds just like Drizzy.

He's not a ghostwriter if he was credited.

This is what makes Meek look like a tool. He's saying Quentin ghosted for him, meanwhile he's fucking credited lol..

Fuck Meek's hating ass. Did he forget the "Free Meek Mill" campaign by Drake when his dumbass was locked up?

I guarantee you this shit is about Nicki. Fuckin corny

 

[qizah]

What's a Meek Mill?

Can Drake just release Views From The 6 already?

 

[Auctopus]

Pop star arguments on twitter are funny.

They're funny on GAF too.

 

[Steez]

He's not a ghostwriter if he was credited.

This is what makes Meek look like a tool. He's saying Quentin ghosted for him, meanwhile he's fucking credited lol..

Fuck Meek's hating ass. Did he forget the "Free Meek Mill" campaign by Drake when his dumbass was locked up?

I guarantee you this shit is about Nicki. Fuckin corny

Yeah, didn't know that Quentin was credited as co-writer at the time I made that post. My bad.

And again, I'm not saying this isn't about Meek just being salty about some Nicki shit (lmao), or Drizzy not tweeting out his album (lmao), because it most likely is something along those lines. But at the same time, we don't know how much Quentin Miller actually wrote for Drake. The two tracks I heard from him sound remarkably similar to Drake's stuff and they were over 5 years old.
All I'm saying is that it's certainly in the realm of possibility that Drake doesn't write a lot of his shit. And he's in a position where he doesn't have to, if we're being honest.

Either way, I'm just in this because all the Twitter tantrums are fucking hilarious to me.

 

[theignoramus]

I feel like one thing this does is totally strip Aubrey of the credibility to attack other MCS rapping.
Like last year when he shat on Jay for dropping art references in his rhymes.
Bro yOU ain't even writing your own shit. Shut your mouth about other rappers rapping.

 

[Glass Rebel]

He's not a ghostwriter if he was credited.

This is what makes Meek look like a tool. He's saying Quentin ghosted for him, meanwhile he's fucking credited lol..

As I said on the previous page, Meek wasn't talking about 10 Bands but Drake's verse on RICO.

 

[BokehKing]

Growing up on 80's and 90's hip hop
I can't stand what hop hop turned into, Drake is horrible

 

[Rogan]

I like Drake a lot, but I really don't care who writes his songs.

Pretty sure he did some himself.

 

[oc]

http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/quentin-miller-speaks-about-drake-ghostwriting-rumors

 

[PhoenixDark]

Nah Drake will never say Meek's name on wax. He is Jigga's child when it comes to beefing. He'll pop sub shots from now until Kingdom Come and goad Meek into making a fool of himself, instead of attacking him directly.

To be fair when Jay put your name on wax it was serious: you were gonna get touched, and your career was gonna take a hit. Only time he missed was with Nas.

Drake isn't capable of taking on any meaningful rapper. Meek isn't a noteworthy rapper but dude came up as a battle rapper; Meek may not be able to see Cassidy but he'd rip Drake apart. Drake can't touch Kendrick or Cole either.

 

[block tower]

http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/quentin-miller-speaks-about-drake-ghostwriting-rumors

everyone around him has spoken yet he hasn't and probably won't. that tells you pretty much what you need to know. if you accused a legend rapper of this type of fuckery , they'd be out squashing it asap, Drakes hanging back because he knows he can't come up with a good excuse. his producer 40 also basically admitted that he "technically " doesn't use ghost writers because he considers himself a "producer and creator" which is s cop out by Drake basically saying it's not ghost writing because really he's "producing" his songs as a whole creation so every song is a group effort lol. so there's really not much to defend Drake on at this point.

 

[Fjordson]

http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/quentin-miller-speaks-about-drake-ghostwriting-rumors

Have to be a little wary since the kid may not want to get black listed, but wouldn't surprise me at all if it's the truth. The idea that this kid was handing over finished hit records or some shit was hilarious.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

"I aint leak that shit so keep cuttin them checks Aubrey, your secret is safe with me" is what I got from that response.

 

[mitchfromthefuture]

Growing up on 80's and 90's hip hop
I can't stand what hop hop turned into, Drake is horrible

Oh man, people still use the "back in my day" argument?

 

[block tower]

Have to be a little wary since the kid may not want to get black listed, but wouldn't surprise me at all if it's the truth. The idea that this kid was handing over finished hit records or some shit was hilarious.

that's how ghost writers become hit artist or make a career, they DO hand over finished hit records to artist. nothing odd about someone like Miller being able to do hit verses for Drake if he can consult with Drake over the material . it's also not odd that a ghost writers own material might not be up to par with Drakes, that is after all why Miller is still a ghost writer and Drake is top talent. Neyo, Frank Ocean, Future, Kendrick, etc. have all penned hits for other major artists.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Q. Miller just trying to make sure Meek didn't fuck up his money.

That OVO stipend was too crucial

 

[Fjordson]

that's how ghost writers become hit artist or make a career, they DO hand over finished hit records to artist.

The one verse we heard was wack as hell compared to Drake's version and was in no way on par with the final result. Really hard for me to jump from that to the idea that he's doing a bunch of tracks on the low or that his input is even half as substantial as Drake's. And he was also credited, so again, not a ghostwriter.

But even I'm saying this isn't like some irrefutable evidence. Maybe Drake is paying him extra to keep things locked up. What the hell do I know, I wasn't in the studio. Just sayin' that I don't personally believe that. If you do, then that's fine. You could be right.

 

[ohlawd]

I like Drake a lot, but I really don't care who writes his songs.

Pretty sure he did some himself.

yep. dude makes good music. I'm also sure he contributed heavily into his own shit

 

[bequietdrive]

Drake is shit and he always has been.

Everything about him is fake - he's a middle class Canadian Jew pretending to be a thug from the hood.

Such an embarassment - no idea why anyone listens to his shit.

 

[Immaculate]

Everything about him is fake - he's a middle class Canadian Jew pretending to be a thug from the hood.

find me a song where he does this

 

[Fjordson]

Drake is shit and he always has been.

Everything about him is fake - he's a middle class Canadian Jew pretending to be a thug from the hood.

Such an embarassment - no idea why anyone listens to his shit.

Most rappers are pretending tho

Rick Ross has made some decent tracks about being a criminal mastermind despite the fact that he used to be a corrections officer

 

[Uno Venova]

Drake is shit and he always has been.

Everything about him is fake - he's a middle class Canadian Jew pretending to be a thug from the hood.

Such an embarassment - no idea why anyone listens to his shit.

You sound clueless.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Drake is shit and he always has been.

Everything about him is fake - he's a middle class Canadian Jew pretending to be a thug from the hood.

Such an embarassment - no idea why anyone listens to his shit.

Since when?

 

[Jest Chillin]

Yes. The average middle class citizen talks about catching bodies. You're delusional or you don't pay attention if you've missed Drakes lyrics about being a tough guy.

That's the entire reason people make the Drakes the type jokes. Because he's mugging the camera, posing with goons in videos, and talking about catching bodies when it's obvious he's not that dude. Say what you will about Ross but there aren't videos of him whining to his mom about her not buying him the right lunch.

It is naive to think most rappers live the lifestyle they rap about but having your music and your life experience be EXTRA different is noticeable.

 

[Bronetta]

 

[Sou Da]

Yes. The average middle class citizen talks about catching bodies. You're delusional or you don't pay attention if you've missed Drakes lyrics about being a tough guy.

That's the entire reason people make the Drakes the type jokes. Because he's mugging the camera, posing with goons in videos, and talking about catching bodies when it's obvious he's not that dude. Say what you will about Ross but there aren't videos of him whining to his mom about her not buying him the right lunch.

It is naive to think most rappers live the lifestyle they rap about but having your music and your life experience be EXTRA different is noticeable.

The gunshots in If you're reading this made it into a comedy album for me.

 

[Future Foundation]

everyone around him has spoken yet he hasn't and probably won't. that tells you pretty much what you need to know. if you accused a legend rapper of this type of fuckery , they'd be out squashing it asap, Drakes hanging back because he knows he can't come up with a good excuse. his producer 40 also basically admitted that he "technically " doesn't use ghost writers because he considers himself a "producer and creator" which is s cop out by Drake basically saying it's not ghost writing because really he's "producing" his songs as a whole creation so every song is a group effort lol. so there's really not much to defend Drake on at this point.

Or, he comes out and defends himself and gets accused of trying to cover up because "everyone already knows".

 

[DirtyLarry]

Oh man, people still use the "back in my day" argument?

Yep, because when discussing Hip Hop it is 110% correct to do so.

It was once an artform. The voice of a culture.
It has not been either of these things for years.
So yes, we will keep talking about back in the day as in this case you are talking about when something was pure versus when that same thing has been completely polluted.

Instead of thinking that "back in the day" is somehow just old disgruntled men feeling that their glory days are better than the young kids of today just because they are now past their prime, perhaps take some time to research why so many of us do have this sentiment, especially when the conversation is Hip Hop.

And yes, there are still plenty of artists "keeping it real," and who remain authentic to the culture. It is not completely dead. However what seems to get lost on the younger generation these days is there was actually a point when the "stars" of the genre were also keeping it real. Everyone for the most part was.

 

[MWS Natural]

Is it a surprise?

This is a guy who deadlifts catbacked using gloves

Why is he deadlifting bench weight?

 

[FiggyCal]

Yes. The average middle class citizen talks about catching bodies. You're delusional or you don't pay attention if you've missed Drakes lyrics about being a tough guy.

That's the entire reason people make the Drakes the type jokes. Because he's mugging the camera, posing with goons in videos, and talking about catching bodies when it's obvious he's not that dude. Say what you will about Ross but there aren't videos of him whining to his mom about her not buying him the right lunch.

It is naive to think most rappers live the lifestyle they rap about but having your music and your life experience be EXTRA different is noticeable.

Had to look that up. That is embarrassing.

 

[IrishNinja]

Lupe Fiasco

no thanks

Lol 275 with gloves why

Why is he deadlifting bench weight?

bruh do you guys lift
his form might be off in the video but not seeing how that weight & gloves are bad

 

[Eos]

so quentin miller finally decides to speak up

Winter 2014… I was just another guy working a job he hated with a passion for music…. And somehow found myself on the phone with One of my idols..

i told him i worked in a bakery and his exact words were “Fuck that, your destined for greatness"…

Hearing that from someone that I’ve been studying since 2009, bar for bar…. Theres no way to describe that..

Most of the project was done before i came in the picture.. i remember him playing it for me for the first time thinking "Why am I here?” like.. what does he need me for??

The answer is.. Nothing…

I watched this man piece together words in front of me…

I watched him write/ replace bars 2- 3 at a time on 6pm in NY.. I witnessed him light up, go in and freestyle madonna….

I took notes from the best in the game….

I remember him Showing me the thank you notes in NY before the album dropped.. Showing me the QM, telling me they put me on the credits (Ghostwritter???) … He attached my name to something that touched the world..

When nobody would pay attention, drake saw something in me and reached out… Of all people… drizzy..

Two artist in exact opposite spaces in their career.. We came together and made something special..

I am not and never will be a “ghostwriter” for drake.. Im proud to say that we’ve collaborated .. but i could never take credit for anything other than the few songs we worked on together ..

Thats all i have to say on it.. back to this 1317 shit…

- Q.M.

http://quentinmiller.tumblr.com/post/124938364407

 

[Fjordson]

Freestyled Madonna, bah gawd.

 

[...Scatter...]

so quentin miller finally decides to speak up

http://quentinmiller.tumblr.com/post/124938364407

Well - that settles that.

 

[block tower]

The one verse we heard was wack as hell compared to Drake's version and was in no way on par with the final result. Really hard for me to jump from that to the idea that he's doing a bunch of tracks on the low or that his input is even half as substantial as Drake's. And he was also credited, so again, not a ghostwriter.

But even I'm saying this isn't like some irrefutable evidence. Maybe Drake is paying him extra to keep things locked up. What the hell do I know, I wasn't in the studio. Just sayin' that I don't personally believe that. If you do, then that's fine. You could be right.

the track with miller was a reference track FOR Drake. why would miller be doing a reference track if he didn't write it?? it's not that hard a concept. miller clearly doesn't have star power or quality , so he's a dude that shines in the background. it's common for people like miller to get "credit" on an album in ambiguity but have a specific role on the low like writing a track and doing a reference.

 

[Laz-E-Boy]

Drake is a pop rapper and most of his fans are pop rap fans. Having ghostwriters responsible for a portion of his material isn't going to hurt much. I do question how long and how many ghostwriters he's been using. Saw one post from the same guy that called the Hulk Hogan racist tapes long before WWE erased Hogan's existence

He has ghostwriting and ghost production on his debut from two Jewish kids I went to college with as well. I said this shit right from jump, knowing it for a fact, and cats acted like I was making some shit up for no reason. Dude is rap's version of the Manchurian Candidate.

He also jokes from time to time...but he usually makes it pretty obvious when he's joking. So who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if Drake's entire career was due to ghostwriters though.

 

[Fjordson]

the track with miller was a reference track FOR Drake. why would miller be doing a reference track if he didn't write it??

Reference tracks are sometimes for cadence or flow, no one knows for a fact those are all QM lyrics.

But let's assume that first verse was all written by Quentin. That's not really what I'm doubting. I'm doubting the idea that over the course of Drake's career he hasn't written most of his stuff as well as the suggestion that for this album specifically Quentin was giving him full tracks that Drake then just recited in the studio. Basically think his contribution was more minor than people are suggesting.

But as I keep saying, I don't know any more than any other random person commenting on this. I wasn't in the studio, this is simply what I personally believe.

 

[SegaShack]

Holy crap I forgot about this show.

 

[StoOgE]

I hope Drake wrote that lyric about people being stuck in Canada and didn't pay someone to write it for him.

 

[Red_Man]

everyone around him has spoken yet he hasn't and probably won't. that tells you pretty much what you need to know. if you accused a legend rapper of this type of fuckery , they'd be out squashing it asap, Drakes hanging back because he knows he can't come up with a good excuse. his producer 40 also basically admitted that he "technically " doesn't use ghost writers because he considers himself a "producer and creator" which is s cop out by Drake basically saying it's not ghost writing because really he's "producing" his songs as a whole creation so every song is a group effort lol. so there's really not much to defend Drake on at this point.

Or maybe he's noting giving it any attention because Meek Mill is gum on his shoe and will never be in the same atmosphere as Drake. Drake saying nothing says a lot more than him coming out and denying it.

 

[Fjordson]

Funk Flex supposedly about to play another reference track on Hot 97.

Not gonna lie, if this is RICO I'll have to hold that L.

Edit: Flex claims he has the reference for RICO. No credited writers on that. Yikes.

 

[PhoenixDark]

https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624747292483059712
https://twitter.com/funkflex/status/624751406348673024

Where's that ol' peanut head ass boy Ken Masters? Come get your man.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Flex needs to drop something or STFU.

Ol wannabe the center of attention ass ninja

EDIT: If he DOES have something (and he had the 10 Bands reference track, so anything's possible), I wonder which weedboy in OVO leaked it to him. I thought Drake was treating them boys better than that.

 

[Big Baybee]

Drake is shit and he always has been.

Everything about him is fake - he's a middle class Canadian Jew pretending to be a thug from the hood.

Such an embarassment - no idea why anyone listens to his shit.

Boy you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Pretending to be a thug lmao

Yes. The average middle class citizen talks about catching bodies. You're delusional or you don't pay attention if you've missed Drakes lyrics about being a tough guy.

That's the entire reason people make the Drakes the type jokes. Because he's mugging the camera, posing with goons in videos, and talking about catching bodies when it's obvious he's not that dude. Say what you will about Ross but there aren't videos of him whining to his mom about her not buying him the right lunch.

It is naive to think most rappers live the lifestyle they rap about but having your music and your life experience be EXTRA different is noticeable.

Thats not what the vast majority of his music is like, though. Anyway, pretty much all rappers are fake as shit.

 

[riotous]

Drake has very few lines that are trying to be hard. He should apologize for "catch a body" and maybe people can move on lol.

He does have quite a bit of "GOAT" bragging though so any sort of ghost writing accusation might not be good for his look with certain people.

 

[breadtruck]

Wait, since when do artists today write their own stuff?

I guess that explains why Nicki Minaj is only capable of trash.

 

[Fjordson]

Flex needs to drop something or STFU.

Ol wannabe the center of attention ass ninja

EDIT: If he DOES have something (and he had the 10 Bands reference track, so anything's possible), I wonder which weedboy in OVO leaked it to him. I thought Drake was treating them boys better than that.

Yeah, breh needs to pay his staff if this is real.