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[sendit]

It’ll be silly to imagine the PS6 being cheaper than PS5 Pro considering PS6 will be more powerful, not to mention inflation. Might want to start saving up now if you want to buy a PS6 and is shock at the PS5 Pro price

Agreed. My yearly vehicle registration cost 40% more than the PS5 Pro.

Also, Microsoft has a awesome value proposition for those who can't afford a PS5 Pro: Series S + Gamepass

 

[SRTtoZ]

Not at all. If Xbox's new console comes out at 500, then Sony would be fucked if they went 700. I would expect 500 at most, maybe 550? But assume the consoles to be priced similarly between Sony and Microsoft.

 

[Moses85]

I would pay 1000€

 

[midnightAI]

I think an intermediate price of $599 for a base unit.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the $699 with no disc drive announcement paired with a poor reveal knocked the potential Pro audience down from 12-15m to 8-10m. Trying to launch a new generation, base unit at that price just isn't gonna fly imo. Most folks will just stay on PS5 for a prolonged period. I also guarantee the PS5 Pro has been marked up $100 more than it needed to be, the short-term money men are in charge and want fast cost recoups; and they're leveraging the "premium" unit to do it.

At $699 for a base unit they might as well say goodbye to most of the child audience too.

I expect the disc drive will just be a readily available add-on going forward and all PS6 SKUs will come discless. Even as a physical media guy I support this, I want every penny spent on the main hardware being as good as it can be.

What might be a smart move is a PS6 Lite @ $399. If they're using chiplets they can drop 1 out of 2-3 GPU GCDs off the die (+maybe a mem cache/bus die?), reduce storage from 1TB to 2TB, reduce memory to 75%, simplify the board (VRM, caps etc.), simplify the heatsink and the PSU. It wouldn't be overkill like the XSS but a simple resolution scale for most titles with these numbers; and relatively straightforward on the dev side.

2028:
$399 PS6 Lite 1TB
$599 PS6 2TB
$99 Universal Disc Drive

2032:
$299 PS6 Lite "Slim" 1TB
$499 PS6 "Slim" 2TB
$699 PS6 Pro 4TB
$99 Universal Disc Drive

2034:
$599 PS6 "Slim" 40th Anniversary 4TB
$799 PS6 Pro 40th Anniversary 8TB

So Sony should follow Microsoft's lead of making two differently powered consoles at launch? Yeh, why not, has worked for Microsoft

 

[midnightAI]

It’s funny how many are now OK with 2 different powered sku’s approach /s

No, that idea is dumb as fuck (at launch, mid gen is fine for those who want it)

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I made this point earlier in one of the threads... that if it's really going to be 2028 it's either not going to be all that impressive or will be very expensive.

2028? No way will this generation last 8 years. End of 2026 guaranteed at least for MS.

 

[Audiophile]

So Sony should follow Microsoft's lead of making two differently powered consoles at launch? Yeh, why not, has worked for Microsoft

That's kinda throwing the baby out with the bathwater simply because MS' implementation was very poor, there's nothing inherently wrong with the concept of having a scaled back machine, but it needs to be a more measured and focused approach.

In the XSS (vs the XSX) the GPU gulf is way too big with 1/3 the power (along with different clocks) and the memory is at 62.25%, the memory bandwidth is at ~40% (the worst part) and the CPU came in a few 100 MHz lower too.

In my eg. for a PS6 Lite it'd be using chiplets to knock the GPU real estate back to 1/2 or 2/3 while keeping the clocks and featureset identical, the memory and memory bandwidth would be ~75%, if they use infinity cache they could also cut back a memory cache/bus die; and the CPU would be identical. Storage could be cut in half and a few other non-critical features could be parred back, along with knock-on cost savings on heatsink/psu/vrms etc.

In this case it'd pretty much be a matter scaling back base resolution 30-50%.

XSS would've been fine if it was 6TF w/ 12GB RAM @ 384GB/s, but instead they completely gimped it at 4TF w/ 10GB RAM @ 224GB/s.

 

[AngelMuffin]

This somehow seems cheap now lol

Im my mind ps5 pro is $800 minimum. I would need the stand and the disc drive

That $599 is equivalent to $935 in today’s dollars.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Also, Microsoft has a awesome value proposition for those who can't afford a PS5 Pro: Series S + Gamepass

I could see Gamepass only offering games that ran on the Series S/X even into whatever their next gen offering is. Gamepass would be the old school game service.
All future xbox 1st party games for the next 10 years or so, would be required to support Series S, for gamepass.

 

[Bernardougf]

Well ... there is a way of making a 2028 console substantially better for 499 than a 2024 console that costs 699 ?? ... if some tech pro can put out numbers and HW evolution that support the math Im all years (or eyes in this case).

 

[midnightAI]

That's kinda throwing the baby out with the bathwater simply because MS' implementation was very poor, there's nothing inherently wrong with the concept of having a scaled back machine, but it needs to be a more measured and focused approach.

In the XSS (vs the XSX) the GPU gulf is way too big with 1/3 the power (along with different clocks) and the memory is at 62.25%, the memory bandwidth is at ~40% (the worst part) and the CPU came in a few 100 MHz lower too.

In my eg. for a PS6 Lite it'd be using chiplets to knock the GPU real estate back to 1/2 or 2/3 while keeping the clocks and featureset identical, the memory and memory bandwidth would be ~75%, if they use infinity cache they could also cut back a memory cache/bus die; and the CPU would be identical. Storage could be cut in half and a few other non-critical features could be parred back, along with knock-on cost savings on heatsink/psu/vrms etc.

In this case it'd pretty much be a matter scaling back base resolution 30-50%.

XSS would've been fine if it was 6TF w/ 12GB RAM @ 384GB/s, but instead they completely gimped it at 4TF w/ 10GB RAM @ 224GB/s.

No it's just a daft idea in my opinion. It complicates production, it complicates development, it confuses the buyer (many consoles are bought by relatives for kids).

Keep it simple, why change a winning formula that is proven to work? Why do you think Sony is moving away from separate digital/physical skus? They are simplifying the production process (which will ultimately make production cheaper)

 

[Bigfroth]

Make it a even grand and stop fuckin around

 

[asdasdasdbb]

2028? No way will this generation last 8 years. End of 2026 guaranteed at least for MS.

Point still stands. We'll see what direction MS goes in but costs decently more than the PS5 Pro is my likely guess.

 

[Rayderism]

I don't think I will bother with the PS5 Pro. The industry needs a drastic course correction, on multiple fronts, before I even consider another console purchase, let alone a mid-gen refresh.

 

[Jesb]

What cpu do you guys think ps6 will be going with? Let’s say you wanted to build a ps6 equivalent pc. What cpu would be a good estimate iyo

 

[hinch7]

What cpu do you guys think ps6 will be going with? Let’s say you wanted to build a ps6 equivalent pc. What cpu would be a good estimate iyo

Depends on when it will release. Lets say in 2027/2028. You're probably look at Zen 6.

AMD did say that AM5 will be supported 2025+ which points to Zen 6 releasing at the tail end of that. And then another couple years for the next generation of Ryzen/

 

[asdasdasdbb]

What cpu do you guys think ps6 will be going with? Let’s say you wanted to build a ps6 equivalent pc. What cpu would be a good estimate iyo

I think if you built a 7800X3D+4090 you would be good past the PS6, assuming you'd be okay with it running at modest frame rates and resolutions eventually.

 

[DryvBy]

My kid has this same shirt. I bought it because of Tommy.

 

[HoofHearted]

 

[Hawking Radiation]

$999 launch price at a minimum and GAF implodes

 

[Bitstream]

Make it $1200 with top of the line specs, but I need guarantees that there will be a NEW AAA release every 4 months minimum. No 3 years of crossgen and remasters this time.

 

[mrabott]

I don't understand the whining. A top-of-the-line smartphone costs at least $999 in the global north. Some people buy a new one every 2 or 3 years. What's wrong with buying a video game that will stay with you for at least 7 years?

 

[VolticArchangel]

Cerny:

 

[Lord Malachite]

I don't understand the whining. A top-of-the-line smartphone costs at least $999 in the global north. Some people buy a new one every 2 or 3 years. What's wrong with buying a video game that will stay with you for at least 7 years?

People aren't willing to accept that the entire world economy has been upended over the last few years. Your dollar (or equivalent currency) just doesn't go nearly as far as it used to. Even in the four years since the PS5 launched, inflation has significantly eroded purchasing power. The disc drive version of the PS5 would have an MSRP of at least $599.99 if it were only hitting the scene today. Not because Sony is just so greedy and arrogant, but because inflation has devastated the value of currency. $499.99 in 2020 is $608.15 today. If inflation doesn't slow, it will easily be over $700 by 2028.

When the PS6 moves into its launch phase, Sony will be having to evaluate what the system actually costs to manufacture, what the value of currency is, and what the mass market will actually bear. The PS5 Pro isn't a mainstream product. The PS6 will be. Getting that balancing act of a price consumers are willing to pay without losing their shirt on each unit sold, like with the PS3, will be a serious balancing act.

 

[Saturn Dragon]

Probably $999. Marketing it as 120fps 16k res or something like that. Hopefully we'll get 4k 60fps on some games by 2030 with Ps6Pro for $1299 (Quadruple Sense sold separately)

 

[DenchDeckard]

We are officially beyond subsidised hardware. Time for them to make as much bank as possible.

Let's see how it works out for them. I see the console market shrinking considerably at a $700 dollar entry fee.

 

[dragonyeuw]

I think the problem is less the launch price and moreso the lack of price drops. The early adopters who are fine paying the most for the least will justify a $700 price tag, but 3-4 years in still being at that price will be an issue. In past gens, the base PS5 should be $300 by now, $350 tops. Instead prices have either held or gone up. There is a point where the average person will be priced out.

 

[navii]

Keep in mind that $599 in 2006* is equivalent to $935 in 2024, adjusted for inflation.

( * https://money.cnn.com/2006/05/08/technology/ps3_pricing/ )

How much is a ps3 worth?

 

[Physiognomonics]

$700 is the floor now. I am expecting $800.

 

[KeplerL2]

There's two SoCs in development for next-gen, idk if it's a Series X/S situation or home console + handheld, but probably one of them will be affordable at least.

 

[_Ex_]

How much is a ps3 worth?

Within the point of context I referenced, or out of context in today's market?

 

[Hohenheim]

Probably 799, and no disc drive.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Probably 799, and no disc drive.

And no SSD*

*kidding guys. "Don't give Sony ideas" would say others.

 

[tr1p1ex]

on one hand inflation not going to help the price of PS6.

On the other hand, I think Sony is more willing to lose money up front on a new gen base console than on a Pro model that is largely going to sell to existing customers who already have a machine to play the same games.

 

[Physiognomonics]

There's two SoCs in development for next-gen, idk if it's a Series X/S situation or home console + handheld, but probably one of them will be affordable at least.

Paging HeisenbergFX4 at once!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Paging HeisenbergFX4 at once!

I can't say anything but have been telling people this for awhile now

There's two SoCs in development for next-gen, idk if it's a Series X/S situation or home console + handheld, but probably one of them will be affordable at least.

You seem to be back online for Twitter in Brazil but please dont leave us here totally

 

[KeplerL2]

I can't say anything but have been telling people this for awhile now


You seem to be back online for Twitter in Brazil but please dont leave us here totally

Twitter is still offline for me, I didn't win the DNS lottery

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Twitter is still offline for me, I didn't win the DNS lottery

Well personally I would make a thread here based on a Tweet like this so hopefully it doesnt rub you wrong I make a thread based on this post as personally I feel its new thread worthy

Mods can close or merge if they feel like they need to

 

[GoldenEye98]

I still think they still have to hit a certain price to make it mainstream enough. I'm not sure the Pro will allow them to go $700 but it might allow them to go $600.

 

[Brucey]

There's two SoCs in development for next-gen, idk if it's a Series X/S situation or home console + handheld, but probably one of them will be affordable at least.

Just to clarify, this is for the ps6 generation, and not for Xbox? I would think we are at least 4 years to ps6 with xbox blowing it's brains out early.