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[Laughing Banana]

I think it's plausible that a decent portion of the user base will follow the games. The recent announcements seem to indicate that the developers are warming to the platform, with known franchises dropping the PSP in favor of PS3/Vita. I realize that none of these games are bombshells, but it's not an insignificant thing, either.

@Zeeroid, the abysmal-yet-steady hardware numbers there. My uneducated guess is that once the PSP devs drop the platform in favor of the Vita, those numbers will rise, as will new software announcements for the platform. That's the best-case scenario, admittedly.

The annoying thing here is Sony themselves seem intent to not drop PSP to give more support to PSVITA. I realize that currently PSP is bigger than PSVITA, but goddamn Sony it you have a new struggling handheld on the market you should throw ALL your support for it even if it means abandoning your previous device. By the looks of it right now all the best they can--or more precisely, want to--do is half-assing their support for PSVITA, ugh.

They seem afraid to take that gamble and I personally, as a PSVITA owner, is rather pissed because of it.

 

[george_us]

What would you consider a strong lineup?

I get that Vita doesn't have a mainstream lineup, but the content that has been released (niche as it may be) is excellent for the core gamer.

Yeah I'm not sure what people are expecting. I can't remember a system in recent memory that's had this good of a line-up this early. The 360 and PS3 sure as fuck didn't. Neither did the 3DS. I definitely agree that the line-up isn't mainstream friendly but I'm honestly not sure if the mainstream would jump on board even if there was content there.

 

[Takuan]

My problem with this is the PSP is consistently outselling the Vita in Japan, and the PSP is still getting major releases. Unless Sony starts incentivizing/moneyhatting publishers to put their new projects on Vita, I don't know if any games will transition. The PSP may just continue being a healthy platform for third parties, irrespective of its successor's existence.

Compare this with DS sales in Japan which have COMPLETELY dried up. Consumers are buying a 3DS instead of a DS, but they aren't buying a Vita instead of a PSP. This is not a good thing at all.

What major releases is the PSP still getting, though? Anything recently announced? I look at a game like God Eater 2 and I can't see fans of that not flocking to the superior version, but that's just my personal feeling.

 

[farnham]

Vita is already getting better 3rd party support then wiiu

So yeah its gonna get its games i guess

 

[Currygan]

The annoying thing here is Sony themselves seem intent to not drop PSP to give more support to PSVITA. I realize that currently PSP is bigger than PSVITA, but goddamn Sony it you have a new struggling handheld on the market you should throw ALL your support for it even if it means abandoning your previous device. By the looks of it right now all the best they can do is half-assing their support for PSVITA, ugh.

I don't envy them though, because it's a difficult decision. If you drop the PSP completely and people still don't buy the Vita you've made an irredeemable mistake. By the same token, as you said, there's also a chance this could work in favour of it, but is Sony willing to take the risk?

 

[1st Course]

I know everybody joke about it these days but if that FFX remake really were to exists, it would do wonders for the vita in Japan. it might literally alone gives the vita a new life in Japan, this is no exaggeration all the DS DQ remakes were a million sellers in Japan. it's pretty much the Vita only potential 1 million seller in Japan.

 

[clay_ghost]

I know everybody joke about it these days but if that FFX remake really were to exists, it would do wonders for the vita in Japan. it might literally alone gives the vita a new life in Japan, this is no exaggeration. all the DS DQ remakes were a million sellers in Japan. it's pretty much the Vita only potential 1 million seller in Japan.

Dragon quest is more popular and ffx hd is also coming out for the ps3 too..

I think it will sell but not give vita a new life like MH did for psp.

 

[Amory]

I know everybody joke about it these days but if that FFX remake really were to exists, it would do wonders for the vita in Japan. it might literally alone gives the vita a new life in Japan, this is no exaggeration all the DS DQ remakes were a million sellers in Japan. it's pretty much the Vita only potential 1 million seller in Japan.

Why didn't persona 4 serve that purpose? I mean...man. Persona 4 Golden is the first time I've experienced that game and I'm absolutely enchanted. I wish the characters in that game were really my friends.

 

[polyh3dron]

Why didn't persona 4 serve that purpose? I mean...man. Persona 4 Golden is the first time I've experienced that game and I'm absolutely enchanted. I wish the characters in that game were really my friends.

It actually did on a smaller scale. Vita sales had a huge bump when that came out in Japan.

 

[jrDev]

Tearaway? NG2S+? DOA5+?

Eventual Disgaea 4 port?

Wow...just, wow...

I wouldn't call that a strong lineup at all...definitely wouldn't put it over the plenty of other devices that has quite a few gems to come...

 

[abic]

Unfortunately I was out of the US when Amazon did their flash $179 sale for the Vita and I missed that window.

I have doubts about investing in the Vita because Sony have screwed up massively with very poor 3rd party support. The sales don't promise a platform that will be supported beyond 2013.

I want to see Sony make huge investments and announcements for the Vita early next year that will revive confidence in the platform's survival and success.

I would also like to see a hardware revision that has bigger face buttons and longer battery life, as well as a reduced price, and I'll dive right in.



Now I have an aching need to borrow a Vita somewhere just to play P4G.

 

[Father_Brain]

What major releases is the PSP still getting, though? Anything recently announced? I look at a game like God Eater 2 and I can't see fans of that not flocking to the superior version, but that's just my personal feeling.

FYI, AKB, another popular PSP franchise from Bamco, saw its third installment ship this past week. The PSP:Vita sales ratio is currently about 4:1. Not a perfect comparison given the difference in genre, but a decent baseline from which to gauge sales of the publisher's other Vita multiplatform releases.

I think you're wishing the Japanese market was more tech-driven than it really is. You're not likely to see that many GE fans rushing out to buy an expensive piece of hardware just to play GE2 with prettier graphics and dual-analog controls, not when there's a content-identical version available for the platform they already own.

 

[dab0ne]

Buying a vita is probably like buying a Wii U. It seems stupid until you get one and then you realize there are gaming experiences you can't have elsewhere.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

What major releases is the PSP still getting, though? Anything recently announced? I look at a game like God Eater 2 and I can't see fans of that not flocking to the superior version, but that's just my personal feeling.

Looks like 2 PSP games just debuted at the top of the MC charts at 2 and 3, causing PSP HW numbers to double from last week and hit #3, with PSV at #5. No real major releases for 3DS or PSV, though they both got a holiday bump in terms of HW numbers.

 

[Celine]

I know everybody joke about it these days but if that FFX remake really were to exists, it would do wonders for the vita in Japan. it might literally alone gives the vita a new life in Japan, this is no exaggeration all the DS DQ remakes were a million sellers in Japan. it's pretty much the Vita only potential 1 million seller in Japan.

The potential for FFX remake to reach 1 million on Vita in Japan is very very low.

 

[Prez]

Haven't really been following this. What's coming up for the Vita? Link to a list of future releases?

 

[Skyzard]

Haven't really been following this. What's coming up for the Vita? Link to a list of future releases?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472361

I expect quite a few announcements closer to the time as well like with this year.

 

[2+2=5]

I think it's a reaction to the opposing extreme love that some people show for the system, and vice versa. It never takes long for people to wheel out lists in Vita threads in an attempt to prove how awesome the system is. Which of course leads to other people laying on the ridicule thick.

Vicious cycle

This is true, but the problem is that there's someone that starts and almost never he is a vita owner, vita owners post list to prove wrong haters and uninformed people. No hate no lists.

I(and vita owners in general) don't open 3ds, wiiu, x360 etc threads saying that them have no games, are doomed etc, but other consoles owners open vita hate threads, why? Vita owners are better? Vita makes us better? I don't think so, the only thing i know is that i'm satisfied with vita and i really don't see why i should waste my time hating other consoles, and i'm not used to write anything absolute on something i'm not informed enough.

 

[Father_Brain]

This is true, but the problem is that there's someone that starts and almost never he is a vita owner, vita owners post list to prove wrong haters and uninformed people. No hate no lists.

I(and vita owners in general) don't open 3ds, wiiu, x360 etc threads saying that them have no games, are doomed etc, but other consoles owners open vita hate threads, why? Vita owners are better? Vita makes us better? I don't think so, the only thing i know is that i'm satisfied with vita and i really don't see why i should waste my time hating other consoles, and i'm not used to write anything absolute on something i'm not informed enough.

Hmm, maybe part of the problem is that certain Vita owners are seemingly classifying any informed discussion of its sales and long-term prospects as "Vita hate threads."

 

[SmokyDave]

Hmm, maybe part of the problem is that certain Vita owners are seemingly classifying any informed discussion of its sales and long-term prospects as "Vita hate threads."

Then you have the opposite where people point out the games they're looking forward to or are enjoying and they get pooh-poohed purely on the basis of sales potential.

I guess that's what happens when a device sells an awful lot or an awful little. Numbers become all-important.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Then you have the opposite where people point out the games they're looking forward to or are enjoying and they get pooh-poohed purely on the basis of sales potential.

That often happens when the discussion isn't kept in context as well though. I've noticed that people have brought up games they are looking forward to in the middle of a sales discussion, but then get upset that people then analyze those titles in terms of sales potential.

 

[sajj316]

The potential for FFX remake to reach 1 million on Vita in Japan is very very low.

I'd say it's low but not very very low. Considering this title was originally released in 2001, it's a new title to play for the new generation of gamers. That and gamers like myself that never completed FFX will dip in.

 

[ari]

I cant even take vita seriously, just about every game is on my ps3 one form or another. 3ds just feels like a dominate platform with current and upcoming releases.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

That often happens when the discussion isn't kept in context as well though. I've noticed that people have brought up games they are looking forward to in the middle of a sales discussion, but then get upset that people then analyze those titles in terms of sales potential.

The context of this thread is that the OP thinks that the Vita had a strong month of games release and wondering about 2013. That´s the whole context not sales. It seems that there are the same people in every Vita thread except the OT shit on it because of sales even though the thread has nothing to do with it. It´s always the same people. Their evangelism is uncanny.

 

[Prez]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472361

I expect quite a few announcements closer to the time as well like with this year.

So far there's only one FPS coming up?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I'd say it's low but not very very low. Considering this title was originally released in 2001, it's a new title to play for the new generation of gamers. That and gamers like myself that never completed FFX will dip in.

I'm thinking he means in terms of userbase. For that to happen, you'd need 90% of all JP Vita owners to purchase the game. Even if there was a 3DS-esque HW bump for launch week, you'd likely still need around 70% of all Vita owners to get it.

 

[ari]

So far there's only one FPS coming up?

Fps's will never work for handhelds. Metroid prime hunters was decent at best and the closest a handheld will get with that type of experience.

 

[mrklaw]

I'm as pro-Vita as they get because I think it's an awesome piece of hardware, but come on, the bulk of Japanese PSP owners have it for Monster Hunter, and the latest portable version is on 3DS.

And isn't PSP still outselling vita in Japan?

I find the comments about lack of 'identity' odd though. What identity does 3DS have? Wy dos it need an identity - cant we just play and enjoy the games?

 

[2+2=5]

Hmm, maybe part of the problem is that certain Vita owners are seemingly classifying any informed discussion of its sales and long-term prospects as "Vita hate threads."

What is the need of lists of vita games in an "informed discussion of its sales and long-term prospects" if the subjects are the sales and people is "informed" enough to know all the vita games?
I'm not the one that confuses things

EDIT:
and by the way what is this need of almost daily "informed discussion of its sales and long-term prospects"? One discussion occasionally is not enough?

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Fps's will never work for handhelds. Metroid prime hunters was decent at best and the closest a handheld will get with that type of experience.

Wrong. If done correctly Killzone Mercenary will be great. The Vita has 2 analog sticks and other control input to allow for FPS to work.

 

[klapauzius]

Persona 4 Golden, Assassin's Creed Liberation, CoD Declassified (yeah, yeah), LBP Vita, a strong NFS: Most Wanted port...it's actually been a great time to be a vita owner these past few months leading up to Christmas.

But what's next? Besides Soul Sacrifice and MLB 13 I can't think of anything coming out next year, and that doesn't bode well at all. Are we seeing the beginning of end

Look at the sales of these titles and the "boost" they had on hardware sales. I dont think third partys will be invest in more vita games.

 

[Claymores]

I'd say it's low but not very very low. Considering this title was originally released in 2001, it's a new title to play for the new generation of gamers. That and gamers like myself that never completed FFX will dip in.

I'd say it's extremely unlikely to impossible, FFX is going to be released on the Vita and PS3 which will eat into it's sale + even on the DS most of the FF re-releases only hit about 500k.

 

[therapist]

Looking forward to DOA 5 but yea other than that honesty...no fucking idea what else i want for this thing.

Id rather VF5 Showdown than DOA5 but meh still cool.

If COD wasnt a peice of shit , i would be a lot happier with the vita.
Luckily i had only paid 35$ with tax for cod , and sold it for 40...

Still, the launch games are awesome...hot shots and wipeout (Esp with free add ons if u owned on ps3) ... still best launch ever to me. (My 2 favorite sony franchises- and uncharted was good too)

Ofc judging by games like COD , the system is low on sony's priority list , which is obviously not a good thing , especially when the 3ds is just killing the vita in sales.

To me it's really not looking good for the vita , but i sincerely hope im proven wrong.

 

[Celine]

I'd say it's low but not very very low. Considering this title was originally released in 2001, it's a new title to play for the new generation of gamers. That and gamers like myself that never completed FFX will dip in.

Low is the chance that FFX remake/HD porting on both ps3 and vita will sell more than 1 million.
The only benefit of the doubt I can give is that we never really got porting/remake for FF from VII onward (that's when the series got another spike in popularity).

For reference FF13 did 1900k and the sequel 850K on ps3.

 

[SmokyDave]

That often happens when the discussion isn't kept in context as well though. I've noticed that people have brought up games they are looking forward to in the middle of a sales discussion, but then get upset that people then analyze those titles in terms of sales potential.

That's the circle of Vita.

 

[batman2million]

Still not strong enough to convince me to buy it. Needs a lot more games or a price drop for me to dish out any cash for that.

 

[biggersmaller]

Love my VITA. Played it on the bus this morning and will do so until I've played all the PSX, PSP (which I don't own), and VITA games I deem good.

Simultaneously, I will watch yet another system I bought at launch fail. The difference being this time I have no regrets as I knew going in it would bomb while also knowing with the PSP library and announced VITA titles I would still get my moneys worth.

My big laugh riot here on GAF is at all the denial some have. Given what we know on sales - how can anyone find hope in further developer/publisher support for this global retail disaster?

It failed for many reasons, but it has failed. It's over. Enjoy it for what it is.

 

[SmokyDave]

My big laugh riot here on GAF is at all the denial some have. Given what we know on sales - how can anyone find hope in further developer/publisher support for this global retail disaster?

It failed for many reasons, but it has failed. It's over. Enjoy it for what it is.

You make it sound like all future titles have been cancelled and the unit has been pulled from the shelves. I'm not surprised you're seeing 'denial' everywhere.

If I say the unit will still be on sale in a year, is that denial?

 

[Father_Brain]

You make it sound like all future titles have been cancelled and the unit has been pulled from the shelves. I'm not surprised you're seeing 'denial' everywhere.

If I say the unit will still be on sale in a year, is that denial?

I think he was only referring to those who expect a dramatic sales rebound and a normal generational lifespan's worth of software support.

But no, that's not denial, IMO. I don't agree with it, in the sense that I think Sony is more likely than not to permanently end production in 2013, but that's certainly within the realm of possibility.

 

[biggersmaller]

You make it sound like all future titles have been cancelled and the unit has been pulled from the shelves. I'm not surprised you're seeing 'denial' everywhere.

If I say the unit will still be on sale in a year, is that denial?

You are not in denial. Though a system that is off the shelf after two years is a failure, and has failed even before it has been formally pulled. I think the tone of my post is justified.

 

[2+2=5]

Love my VITA. Played it on the bus this morning and will do so until I've played all the PSX, PSP (which I don't own), and VITA games I deem good.

Simultaneously, I will watch yet another system I bought at launch fail. The difference being this time I have no regrets as I knew going in it would bomb while also knowing with the PSP library and announced VITA titles I would still get my moneys worth.

My big laugh riot here on GAF is at all the denial some have. Given what we know on sales - how can anyone find hope in further developer/publisher support for this global retail disaster?

It failed for many reasons, but it has failed. It's over. Enjoy it for what it is.

People overrates the power of sales imo, look at home consoles, ps3 is at the third place but it's still alive and it got the best third party support, while the wii that sold gazillions is already dead and its third party support quality was not even close to the one of the ps3(i'm not saying it was bad, it was just not at the ps3 level).
I'm not saying that vita will have the best support, but that in the real world sales alone are not enough to decide where to develop.

 

[biggersmaller]

People overrates the power of sales imo, look at home consoles, ps3 is at the third place but it's still alive and it got the best third party support, while the wii that sold gazillions is already dead and its third party support quality was not even close to the one of the ps3(i'm not saying it was bad, it was just not at the ps3 level).
I'm not saying that vita will have the best support, but that in the real world sales alone are not enough to decide where to develop.

I agree with you that people get far too sales-focused, however there is a threshold that still needs to be met to be considered viable. It is my estimate that VITA hasn't even come close to selling enough to risk development costs.

 

[2+2=5]

I agree with you that people get far too sales-focused, however there is a threshold that still needs to be met to be considered viable. It is my estimate that VITA hasn't even come close to selling enough to risk development costs.

Vita sells really badly, no doubt, but without a clear image of developer's decision process we can't say anything, if you were right then why there are still many vita games coming?

 

[The Horror the horror]

The Vita is awesome for gamers that missed out on the PSP and a majority of PS1 titles. My brother is such a person and so I got him one for Xmas and his mind is already cataloging all the games he needs to play. If or when PS2 games become available on the machine, he'll have the best handheld available on the market.

 

[biggersmaller]

Vita sells really badly, no doubt, but without a clear image of developer's decision process we can't say anything, if you were right then why there are still many vita games coming?

I don't know why publishers release games all the way to the end of a console's undeserved death. They do, though.

My guess in this instance? Locking the financing and early development occurred when it was still only a gamble to develope, instead of a near guaranteed loss. They will release only to mitigate losses.

 

[biggersmaller]

The Vita is awesome for gamers that missed out on the PSP and a majority of PS1 titles. My brother is such a person and so I got him one for Xmas and his mind is already cataloging all the games he needs to play. If or when PS2 games become available on the machine, he'll have the best handheld available on the market.

This is me in regards to PSP. I love the damn thing.

 

[thelurkinghorror]

People overrates the power of sales imo, look at home consoles, ps3 is at the third place but it's still alive and it got the best third party support, while the wii that sold gazillions is already dead and its third party support quality was not even close to the one of the ps3(i'm not saying it was bad, it was just not at the ps3 level).
I'm not saying that vita will have the best support, but that in the real world sales alone are not enough to decide where to develop.

Ps3 is ahead Xbox with a couple of million units. Worldwide xbox and ps3 are very close in terms of market share.

I have Vita for a month at launch and the console is pretty amazing, great OS and great games. But now? I don't know if I want one...

 

[outunderthestars]

Vita sells really badly, no doubt, but without a clear image of developer's decision process we can't say anything, if you were right then why there are still many vita games coming?

Because games take a great deal of time to develop, test, and ship. I can't imagine any major Vita games getting greenlit at this point....

 

[2+2=5]

I don't know why publishers release games all the way to the end of a console's undeserved death. They do, though.

My guess in this instance? Locking the financing and early development occurred when it was still only a gamble to develope, instead of a near guaranteed loss. They will release only to mitigate losses.

What about games announced recently like that jump game or one piece 2(just the first two that comes in mind)? They are clearly recent projects. If vita was a waste of resources developers could simply stop wasting money on vita and develop only the ps3 versions.

 

[Trogdor1123]

My wife gave me a vita and a handful of games last night for xmas. Its fantastic. I knew I would like it but its far more polished than i had first thought it would be. I rather like it. Going to try Ragnorok tonight.