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[Binabik15]

I still hope Dragon's Crown is coming and I'd sacrifice to dark gods for a new MG Acid, another KZ:Liberation and a medieval action game a la Demon/Dark Souls. And Tekken Tag.


Then I still have to get Gravity Rush and Stranger's Wrath and maybe AssCreed.

IMO it has a lineup that makes it worth a purchase, even more so with PSP games, but my cousin commented eralier today that there's no game that makes a Vita worth owning, so oppions differ. Maybe the constant discounted sales in Europe and BF in the US gave the Vita a little boost. It has to survie long enough to get more games. An Invizimals title for Europe and a ww price cut should be high on Sony's to do list.


PS: Force R@D to make GoW, dammit.

 

[TheSeks]

Would you consider these a strong few months?

Honestly? With the exception of CoD: BO, yeah. LBPSP2 was actually really good for a port (outside of it having lagging support in terms of levels, but well, LBPSP1 was similar), P4G is GREAT and updated the graphics. Sure, the new additional stuff isn't needed but hell it's a better port (1:1 with the PS2 versions) than P3. AC3: Liberation is a bit of a letdown on performance and having a game-breaking bug until it was patched, but is actually a pretty good console experience if you get around the sub-par framerate.

I'm enjoying the system, and I bought it fully knowing it was going to be a port machine. So long as developers continue to port things to the system like they did the PSP, I'm happy as a pig in crappy mud.

Sure, the system is anemic in new IP's (though I can't care since I'm a stick-in-the-mud player that plays it safe with sequels or IP's I took a chance on and enjoyed because I researched them a little), but the social apps (e-mail, LiveTweet, Flicker) is aces and the ports of titles are mostly okay to great. It's a lot better than it was after the launch window to like August where there wasn't much out there. But yeah, Sony's falling into another "drought" since there isn't too much besides NG2S+ and DOA5+ on the horizon/radar at the moment. Tearaway is long away from March.

 

[Green Yoshi]

A market for this kind of thing on a portable doesn't exist actually.. anyway...

Sony should allow Android on Vita. Then Vita owners could buy at least Android games, if there are no new Vita games.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Really? Do you have figures to back this up or are you just pulling nonsense out of your rear end? The fact is that you have no idea what you are talking about because software performance is almost impossible to accurately predict even in the best of circumstances.

The only thing you can really say is that (and that's assuming you actually have hard sales numbers for a number of titles, which I bet you don't) certain games lost money or performed below expectations. We've been speculating on just such a situation with PSABR recently but only Sony really knows and they're so far not sharing.

More relevant to this topic at hand: I've played my Vita more than any other platform this year. It's been great for me and besides the couple of dead months in the middle of the year I've been satisfied with the software output. As long as 2013 has a similar number and quality of titles then I would qualify the Vita software situation as "satisfactory" if not "strong".

I don't need or have access to software figures, and never claimed to have any. Sales figures are just one piece of the puzzle, which still wouldn't tell us on a game by game basis if companies were satisfied with their return on investment (not PR speak, but internally).

Profit seeking companies don't make games for struggling platforms with a tiny install base just because they feel like it.

If I were in the business of making money, I wouldn't release any games on a platform with an install base of ~2-3 million. What percentage of the userbase would have to buy your game to return an acceptable profit? PS3/360/3DS games sell to a much larger userbase.

Please explain to the board of directors in your company why you would make software for the system with 1/10 of the userbase of the nearest competitor, and how that will give you the best return on investment.

 

[leatherhat]

Has there been any word on dragons crown?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472361

There's that too it has the schedule pretty well detailed.

 

[P90]

Im fine with the games on Vita, I just want them to get fucking localized!

Yup. Lots of good to excellent Vita games for Japan. They just need to make it state-side and EU. I don't even care if there is no language localization. Just let us play the games without spending $100 per game including shipping.

 

[janisar]

I think sony doesn't show a lot more because of the inevitable cross functionality with the next playstation. If you look at the other platforms it's the same, there isn't a single announcement for a first party game with a release after the first half of the year. Maybe there are some game which will be announced for both consoles at the same time.

 

[2+2=5]

Oh man even on christmas some people have to hate vita, don't you have a family to cheer with or games to play? don't you like your presents?
I know that hating vita is easy and make you feel temporaly better but it's not the solution,
Have you ever thought that maybe you have so much hate because in reality you are the ones that are not satisfied with your successful consoles and you can't stand people enjoying a less successful console?

Spoiler

lol

 

[zroid]

Oh man even on christmas some people have to hate vita, don't you have a family to cheer with or games to play? don't you like your presents?
I know that hating vita is easy and make you feel temporaly better but it's not the solution,
Have you ever thought that maybe you have so much hate because in reality you are the ones that are not satisfied with your successful consoles and you can't stand people enjoying a less successful console?

Spoiler

lol

Don't take it so personally, man. People like to discuss things, that's all.

 

[2+2=5]

Don't take it so personally, man. People like to discuss things, that's all.

Nothing personal, the final lol is referred to what i wrote, i was not serious

 

[Osietra]

The Tactics Ogre guy. His vita game.

Or a new Valkyria Chromicles.

 

[zroid]

Nothing personal, the final lol is referred to what i wrote, i was not serious

well then i dun goof'd

 

[outunderthestars]

Oh man even on christmas some people have to hate vita, don't you have a family to cheer with or games to play? don't you like your presents?
I know that hating vita is easy and make you feel temporaly better but it's not the solution,
Have you ever thought that maybe you have so much hate because in reality you are the ones that are not satisfied with your successful consoles and you can't stand people enjoying a less successful console?

Spoiler

lol

I don't think anyone wants the Vita to fail. I love the hardware itself (minus the stupid rear touch). I just hate the lack of vision and identity for the system. Almost everything just feels like watered down PS3 games to me, and few games exude any sort of charm.

Also looking at the failure of the system to gain traction makes me wonder if there are any Vita projects being greenlit at publishers at this point. Sony also seems to be unable to drop MSRP or increase the value proposition due to their financial situation, which makes me think that Sony will quietly minimize production and put the system out to pasture, like they did with the PSPGo.

 

[2+2=5]

I don't think anyone wants the Vita to fail. I love the hardware itself (minus the stupid rear touch). I just hate the lack of vision and identity for the system. Almost everything just feels like watered down PS3 games to me, and few games exude any sort of charm.

Also looking at the failure of the system to gain traction makes me wonder if there are any Vita projects being greenlit at publishers at this point. Sony also seems to be unable to drop MSRP or increase the value proposition due to their financial situation, which makes me think that Sony will quietly minimize production and put the system out to pasture, like they did with the PSPGo.

Just to be clear i was neither serious nor referring to specific people.

People have all the right to not like vita, the only thing that i don't understand is all the hate, i have zero interest in the 3ds, wiiu and x360, have you ever seen me on every their thread hating them? I'm not interested at all but i understand that people have different tastes and consoles and games i don't like could interest others, i don't hate anything, the more the better imo(i would like to see a xbox handheld too), maybe my error is to expect the same from the others.

 

[Instro]

Golden is the only good game you mentioned. Bad console ports/hand me downs is not the sign of a strong lineup. Quality unique content is what the thing needs and the only recent example of this is Ragnarok Odyssey, and Persona 4 Golden which is an updated port. The next few months look better with some decent first party stuff and Soul Sacrifice.

 

[KalBalboa]

Golden is the only good game you mentioned. Bad console ports/hand me downs is not the sign of a strong lineup.

Do you actually think everything released on the Vita since February 2012 has been a "bad console port" or "hand me down", aside from Persona 4 Golden?

 

[DiscoJer]

I don't think anyone wants the Vita to fail. I love the hardware itself (minus the stupid rear touch). I just hate the lack of vision and identity for the system. Almost everything just feels like watered down PS3 games to me, and few games exude any sort of charm.

My problem is the opposite - I wish it had more PS3 games.

Where is Borderlands 2? Skyrim? Tomb Raider, Ferrari Legends, Xcom, DMC, Hitman, Resident Evil, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Dark Souls, even Dragon's Dogma

Instead, it's got exactly one PS3 game I want - NFS: MW, which not surprisingly is the only Vita game I own. (Bear in mind, I don't like Sony IP much besides Gran Turismo and Syphon Filter)

 

[TheChillyAcademic]

I really want to jump into Virtues Last Reward but I havent played 999 even though I have a 3DS....Ive heard Virtue is unplayable without 999 being played before it/

 

[Amory]

I really want to jump into Virtues Last Reward but I havent played 999 even though I have a 3DS....Ive heard Virtue is unplayable without 999 being played before it/

Definitely play 999. I found that game depressing as hell, though.

 

[SykoTech]

I wouldn't really consider the list in the OP strong. It's better than the list in that 3DS thread a few days back, but that's not saying much. Strong for the Vita maybe, but not compared to the PS3 or 360.

As for 2013, Tearaway looks pretty cool. But hope stuff like "scream into the mic" isn't abused.

 

[CosmicQueso]

There are two types of people, those with Vitas that love them and those without Vitas.

 

[zroid]

There are two types of people, those with Vitas that love them and those without Vitas.

I --- never mind

 

[Ketch]

As an owner of the ACL bundle I'd have to say that the game itself is actually not that great.

 

[Father_Brain]

There are two types of people, those with Vitas that love them and those without Vitas.

There are also people who, regardless of whether they own Vitas or how much they love the platform and its games, can be realistic about its prospects and the improbability of a turnaround resulting from any of the announced 2013 lineup.

 

[electroplankton]

Just to be clear i was neither serious nor referring to specific people.

People have all the right to not like vita, the only thing that i don't understand is all the hate, i have zero interest in the 3ds, wiiu and x360, have you ever seen me on every their thread hating them? I'm not interested at all but i understand that people have different tastes and consoles and games i don't like could interest others, i don't hate anything, the more the better imo(i would like to see a xbox handheld too), maybe my error is to expect the same from the others.

Well, personally, I don't own Vita right now, but I'd love to if there would be enough reasons. I loved PSP, and I thought Vita could keep providing the same experiences in terms of games, but that's not been true so far. No MH, no KH, no Ace Combat, no high-quality niche jRPG (other than Persona), etc. For me, now, it's a missed opportunity. Hence, when I read "strong few months", or "I bought 125 games on my Vita, love all of them", well...

 

[outunderthestars]

As an owner of the ACL bundle I'd have to say that the game itself is actually not that great.

I really wish Sony would offer that Amazon BF bundle as a permanent SKU. They need to be more aggressive in driving demand for the platform.

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

As an owner of the ACL bundle I'd have to say that the game itself is actually not that great.

So it falls in Lin e with all the AC series accept brotherhood

I agree though. It was impressive in some regards but heavily flawed.

Still there are some great games on this system. I'm looking forward to / hopeing to come to EU
Ragnarock oddysey
PSO2
Soul sacrifice
God eater 2
Killzone
Warriors layer
The new Yes game

Then there is what ever comes out that isn't announced and PS plus stuff as well.

Why this turned into a sales thread when it about games doesn't surprise me but its a shame

 

[Canis lupus]

Well, personally, I don't own Vita right now, but I'd love to if there would be enough reasons. I loved PSP, and I thought Vita could keep providing the same experiences in terms of games, but that's not been true so far. No MH, no KH, no Ace Combat, no high-quality niche jRPG (other than Persona), etc. For me, now, it's a missed opportunity. Hence, when I read "strong few months", or "I bought 125 games on my Vita, love all of them", well...

The PSP support was weak the first few years. Other than little Western support here and there there wasn't a lot. MH, KH, JRPGs only started hitting the system when PSP took off in Japan.

 

[Augemitbutter]

Dragon's Crown is all you need next year. hopefully Ys Celceta will be localized as well.

there you go, better than any line-up, ever!

 

[2+2=5]

Well, personally, I don't own Vita right now, but I'd love to if there would be enough reasons. I loved PSP, and I thought Vita could keep providing the same experiences in terms of games, but that's not been true so far. No MH, no KH, no Ace Combat, no high-quality niche jRPG (other than Persona), etc. For me, now, it's a missed opportunity. Hence, when I read "strong few months", or "I bought 125 games on my Vita, love all of them", well...

You forget that all the good games the psp had weren't released all in the first year but in seven, and only because vita has none of the games you like doesn't mean that vita had not good months with lots of game that many people enjoyed.

People should really understand that tastes and ideas are not universal and that sales and quality are not so much related, when people will understand these then will understand why so many vita owners are happy too.

 

[Itchy//Tasty]

OP didn't mention my two most played games this season, Playstation All-Stars and Oddworld Stranger's Wrath.

 

[Sky Chief]

I don't need or have access to software figures, and never claimed to have any. Sales figures are just one piece of the puzzle, which still wouldn't tell us on a game by game basis if companies were satisfied with their return on investment (not PR speak, but internally).

Profit seeking companies don't make games for struggling platforms with a tiny install base just because they feel like it.

If I were in the business of making money, I wouldn't release any games on a platform with an install base of ~2-3 million. What percentage of the userbase would have to buy your game to return an acceptable profit? PS3/360/3DS games sell to a much larger userbase.

Please explain to the board of directors in your company why you would make software for the system with 1/10 of the userbase of the nearest competitor, and how that will give you the best return on investment.

Then why have a number of new Japanese Vita games been announced in the last few weeks? Obviously, these companies have a lot more faith in the system and software sales on it than you do.

 

[polyh3dron]

I have more games that I enjoy on my Vita than I do on my 3DS. Come at me bros.

 

[TheChillyAcademic]

I just wish we had some of the JRPG love the PSP had, it was neck and neck with the DS and...sigh, some Agito would be fucking amazing.

 

[outunderthestars]

I just wish we had some of the JRPG love the PSP had, it was neck and neck with the DS and...sigh, some Agito would be fucking amazing.

That's asking alot for the first year of a console. Give it another year and hopefully we will see more of them making the journey to the US.

 

[zroid]

Dragon's Crown is all you need next year. hopefully Ys Celceta will be localized as well.

there you go, better than any line-up, ever!

But I want my Sorceress in HD

 

[remnant]

Then why have a number of new Japanese Vita games been announced in the last few weeks? Obviously, these companies have a lot more faith in the system and software sales on it than you do.

To late to cancel them?

 

[Father_Brain]

Then why have a number of new Japanese Vita games been announced in the last few weeks? Obviously, these companies have a lot more faith in the system and software sales on it than you do.

Niche games that can turn a profit on sales well under 100K, late ports of console games that didn't sell that well to begin with, and multiplatform releases that are shipping simultaneously on platforms with far larger userbases? That's sure a lot of faith on display there, especially given that most of the announcements in the latter two categories are from only two publishers (Tecmo Koei, Bamco).

 

[Takuan]

To late to cancel them?

Japan has a considerable PSP audience that is slowly transitioning to the Vita, so it only makes sense that PSP devs will also make the shift. I'm fine with Japan spearheading Vita development, so long as the XSEEDs and Atluses of the industry localize the good stuff.

The West is a lost cause. I can't see anyone willing to take the risk required to make the killer app that could move more units in North America. It'd simply be smarter to go with another platform.

Yes, then add 6-12 months for localization....

Assuming a publisher cares to localize it. How well did the PSP game(s) sell?

 

[TheChillyAcademic]

That's asking alot for the first year of a console. Give it another year and hopefully we will see more of them making the journey to the US.

Well all the god damn Trails in the Sky gets a new game for Vita announced every fifteen minutes.

 

[outunderthestars]

Well all the god damn Trails in the Sky gets a new game for Vita announced every fifteen minutes.

Yes, then add 6-12 months for localization....

 

[zroid]

Japan has a considerable PSP audience that is slowly transitioning to the Vita, so it only makes sense that PSP devs will also make the shift. I'm fine with Japan spearheading Vita development, so long as the XSEEDs and Atluses of the industry localize the good stuff.

How do you know this?

 

[Laughing Banana]

Japan has a considerable PSP audience that is slowly transitioning to the Vita, so it only makes sense that PSP devs will also make the shift. I'm fine with Japan spearheading Vita development, so long as the XSEEDs and Atluses of the industry localize the good stuff.

More like transitioning to the 3DS or still hanging out with the PSP instead moving on.

Bleh, I finally bought a Vita though, so I hope people would release more (much more preferably RPG) games on it. Currently playing and loving P4G, but I don't want an only P4G machine.

 

[Currygan]

I have more games that I enjoy on my Vita than I do on my 3DS. Come at me bros.

why? You might be contagious

 

[mujun]

Just to be clear i was neither serious nor referring to specific people.

People have all the right to not like vita, the only thing that i don't understand is all the hate, i have zero interest in the 3ds, wiiu and x360, have you ever seen me on every their thread hating them? I'm not interested at all but i understand that people have different tastes and consoles and games i don't like could interest others, i don't hate anything, the more the better imo(i would like to see a xbox handheld too), maybe my error is to expect the same from the others.

I think it's a reaction to the opposing extreme love that some people show for the system, and vice versa. It never takes long for people to wheel out lists in Vita threads in an attempt to prove how awesome the system is. Which of course leads to other people laying on the ridicule thick.

Vicious cycle

 

[polyh3dron]

I'm as pro-Vita as they get because I think it's an awesome piece of hardware, but come on, the bulk of Japanese PSP owners have it for Monster Hunter, and the latest portable version is on 3DS.

 

[Maedhros]

There are also people who, regardless of whether they own Vitas or how much they love the platform and its games, can be realistic about its prospects and the improbability of a turnaround resulting from any of the announced 2013 lineup.

Aka Your typical Neogaf user.

 

[Kerub]

There are also people who, regardless of whether they own Vitas or how much they love the platform and its games, can be realistic about its prospects and the improbability of a turnaround resulting from any of the announced 2013 lineup.

Nintendo fan!! Stop hating on Vita, it's the best console ever.

 

[Takuan]

More like transitioning to the 3DS or still hanging out with the PSP instead moving on.

Bleh, I finally bought a Vita though, so I hope people would release more (much more preferably RPG) games on it. Currently playing and loving P4G, but I don't want an only P4G machine.

I think it's plausible that a decent portion of the user base will follow the games. The recent announcements seem to indicate that the developers are warming to the platform, with known franchises dropping the PSP in favor of PS3/Vita. I realize that none of these games are bombshells, but it's not an insignificant thing, either.

@Zeeroid, the abysmal-yet-steady hardware numbers there. My uneducated guess is that once the PSP devs drop the platform in favor of the Vita, those numbers will rise, as will new software announcements for the platform. That's the best-case scenario, admittedly.

 

[zroid]

@Zeeroid, the abysmal-yet-steady hardware numbers there. My uneducated guess is that once the PSP devs drop the platform in favor of the Vita, those numbers will rise, as will new software announcements for the platform. That's the best-case scenario, admittedly.

My problem with this is the PSP is consistently outselling the Vita in Japan, and the PSP is still getting major releases. Unless Sony starts incentivizing/moneyhatting publishers to put their new projects on Vita, I don't know if any games will transition. The PSP may just continue being a healthy platform for third parties, irrespective of its successor's existence.

Compare this with DS sales in Japan which have COMPLETELY dried up. Consumers are buying a 3DS instead of a DS, but they aren't buying a Vita instead of a PSP. This is not a good thing at all.