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[sircaw]

Well for playing bloodborne you were only three and a half years behind me. Let's call that a honorable difference ;P

Now, if you bother to read sony's pdf, "strategic key points and direction" part, I do think that they if expect to gain substantial profits, they won't go just releasing 5 year old games.
maybe they will start from older games, so as to upload the first party portfolio on steam, but if they want sales, they will aim for max sales, and that will happen only with their current games

I have a memory from the other thread gourami features, i recall you saying you owned a ps4 already, that's not exactly a gotcha moment if i knew already. goddamn it, i expect better trolling from you..

On a serious note, As for Releasing current games, i seriously doubt it in the short term., unless they are readying there own gamepass, sony pass thing.

In the end i think its inevitable, we all will be playing on some sort of pc device eventually.
That will be an option, but not for years.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well for playing bloodborne you were only three and a half years behind me. Let's call that a honorable difference ;P

Now, if you bother to read sony's pdf, "strategic key points and direction" part, I do think that they if expect to gain substantial profits, they won't go just releasing 5 year old games.
maybe they will start from older games, so as to upload the first party portfolio on steam, but if they want sales, they will aim for max sales, and that will happen only with their current games

Return back my controller, kindly.

 

[Graciaus]

Nobody really plays games on PC, they look at performance benchmarks and sniff their own farts while wipe sweat from between their fat folds..... and look at nude mods cause they can't get any.

Then they restart cause windows has crashed again, while they sit in the middle of empty fastfood boxes and listen to their chair creak under their heft.

I only clicked this to see what pathetic fan boy posts you'd make. You did not disappoint. Thank you.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's also the one that makes the most sense. Sim racing scene on PC is huge.

Well, Gran Turismo on PC makes perfect sense.

 

[Batiman]

Reading the same thread in Communist Era is funny

Almost no upset comment from ps users there

Cos anyone who ever dare to feel upset with the news knew it is Politicaly Incorect and theyl get dog pilled by other users for embracing exclusive game

Thats what you get from joining CommieEra

No freedom of speech

Fuck era. But if that's true then they sure are acting more mature then here. Nobody loses this way. And I play on everything but PC.

 

[Bryank75]

I only clicked this to see what pathetic fan boy posts you'd make. You did not disappoint. Thank you.

I'll send you some body wipes for christmas and a 5 dollar voucher for steam.

 

[Hezekiah]

So will the ps5 games be subscription based or a one time fee on PC? Subscription may not matter for single player only games. But it could very well be viable.

One-time fee I imagine. Over time they could come to PSNow, but not a long time after launch because these games make so much money in their own right.

 

[MMaRsu]

BRING BLOODBORNE YEAAAASSDSSS SONY GAWDS

 

[Hezekiah]

Hardcore PC players aren't interested in Sony first party games

So who's buying Horizon Zero Dawn and Death Stranding? I don't think you alone can make such a sweeping statement that covers millions of gamers from different backgrounds and with different tastes.

 

[Bryank75]

Reading the same thread in Communist Era is funny

Almost no upset comment from ps users there

Cos anyone who ever dare to feel upset with the news knew it is Politicaly Incorect and theyl get dog pilled by other users for embracing exclusive game

Thats what you get from joining CommieEra

No freedom of speech

I am the ultimate anti-communist. Look at my hat!

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

I have a memory from the other thread gourami features, i recall you saying you owned a ps4 already, that's not exactly a gotcha moment if i knew already. goddamn it, i expect better trolling from you..

On a serious note, As for Releasing current games, i seriously doubt it in the short term., unless they are reading there own gamepass, sony pass thing.

In the end i think its inevitable, we all will be playing on some sort of pc device eventually.
That could be an option. but not for years.

not only a playstation 4 sweetheart. all playstations

Spoiler

as for your "serious note", sony cares about maximizing their profits.
they won't be releasing stale fish to achieve that. they know better than you that it is the fresh fish that sells well

and no, we will not all be playing on pc. it will be there for those who want to play on pc.
on the contrary, I expect microsoft to announce a win10 app for series x, for those who want even less of pc

Return back my controller, kindly.

come and get it pretty boy

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

As much as it seems like it on forums, consoles and PC are entirely different users in the real World. Sony would sell 2-5 million more copies of every exclusive game if they were on PC on day one. They'll still sell a couple of million with late ports.

I wouldn't even entertain the idea of Sony first party games on PC day one though. Absolutely not. It will devalue their console and hurt their sales just like Microsoft. They should drain all the sales they can get out of the PS4/PS5 or whatever version and then release it later because they can still make money even on older ports.

 

[Sleepwalker]

So far I've only read the first page and a bit of the last one, here's a compilation of some takes so far:

- If Sony want to make more $ they can do this, but I'm not sure it will be worth the trouble to port these games

- PC cannot cope with the super advanced PS5 SSD and i/o logic so they won't get the PS5 games ported anyway

- Fat chance PS5 games get ported to PC, PC hardware cannot cope!! (different poster from the one above)

- PC isn't ready for PS5 oriented games

- Sony aren't dumb and study their tactics, unlike other brands. (this one made me chuckle)

- If Sony port another exclusive to PC, I'm not buying the PS5 because ... reasons??


Holy hell guys

 

[Area61]

They should not only release the PS4 titles but also some PS3 exclusives as well. Just release them as remaster and make $

 

[Bryank75]

So who's buying Horizon Zero Dawn and Death Stranding? I don't think you alone can make such a sweeping statement that covers millions of gamers from different backgrounds and with different tastes.

Do we actually have any figures?

 

[GaviotaGrande]

So far I've only read the first page and a bit of the last one, here's a compilation of some takes so far:

- If Sony want to make more $ they can do this, but I'm not sure it will be worth the trouble to port these games

- PC cannot cope with the super advanced PS5 SSD and i/o logic so they won't get the PS5 games ported anyway

- Fat chance PS5 games get ported to PC, PC hardware cannot cope!! (different poster from the one above)

- PC isn't ready for PS5 oriented games

- Sony aren't dumb and study their tactics, unlike other brands. (this one made me chuckle)

- If Sony port another exclusive to PC, I'm not buying the PS5 because ... reasons??


Holy hell guys

Keep reading. It only gets better.

 

[Manstructiclops]

Lol, porting old titles only, my arse. Exclusivity will be a year at most going forward.

These games are a $60-100m plus inventment and increasing year, after year.

 

[sircaw]

not only a playstation 4 sweetheart. all playstations

Spoiler

as for you "serious note", sony cares about maximizing their profits.
they won't be releasing stale fish to achieve that. they know better than you that it is the fresh fish that sells well

don't you dare get personal with me BOY.

I would imagine i have another 5-10 years maximum with my gaming life, 50ish now, i can only imagine how bad my eyesight and coordination will be at 60. It's pretty dire now.

I am not a fine wine, cheap beer more like it.

As long as the next ten years are good, that's me sold.

I will leave it to the spring chickens to sort out.

 

[Bryank75]

Lol, porting old titles only, my arse. Exclusivity will be a year at most going forward.

These games are a $60-100m plus inventment and increasing year, after year.

Well they are hardly going to make back that investment on the cheap-arses on steam, who gloat about how little they spend on games.....

 

[Rentahamster]

I like it. Good on Sony if they go through with this for all their first party titles.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Ask Nintendo for some games, they haven't contributed much to the PC charity....

Nobody cares, their machines can all be emulated.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Well they are hardly going to make back that investment on the cheap-arses on steam, who gloat about how little they spend on games.....

I got Horizon: Zero Dawn for 28 EUR on day one.

 

[The_Mike]

PS5 will be better than 95% of rigs out there when it releases and the SSD will be king for many years, games made specifically for the SSD will not be easily ported to PC.

Imagine saying that with a straight face.

 

[Bryank75]

I got Horizon: Zero Dawn for 28 EUR on day one.

You paid too little.

 

[VFXVeteran]

How do you jump to $1k? The most these consoles will be is $600. If they are more, I would be highly shocked. The consoles aren't designed to be sold at a profit and both Microsoft and Sony have a great relationship with AMD so they are getting millions of chips at just a little bit above actual cost. The 2080TI probably costs somewhere between $250-400 to manufacture, and then there are additional costs for marketing, supply chain, etc., but Nvidia is raking in a ridiculous margin. As long as video cards continue to be sold at such margins, there will always be a place for consoles, especially compared to laptops that are limited to very low power requirements.

Hey GreyHand23 I was speaking more about the PS6 and trying to get a GPU similar to the 3060 with whatever other custom hardware they'll include. Sorry for the mixup.

 

[sircaw]

I got Horizon: Zero Dawn for 28 EUR on day one.

did you wait for the patch?

 

[Bryank75]

Imagine saying that with a straight face.

I say everything with a big damned smile on my face!

 

[CrysisFreak]

Imagine saying that with a straight face.

Congrats on having no idea how trashy the average PC gamer's equipment is.
Next-gen consoles on release will outperform the vast majority of PCs whether you like it or not lmao.

 

[The_Mike]

I think they'll do it as cheaply as possible. Maybe Epic store exclusive where the fee is lower than Steam (maybe even none at all due to Sony's Epic deal).

With how much money they pumped into epic they kinda do have their own store.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

don't you dare get personal with me BOY.

I would imagine i have another 5-10 years maximum with my gaming life, 50ish now, i can only imagine how bad my eyesight and coordination will be at 60. It's pretty dire now.

I am not a fine wine, cheap beer more like it.

As long as the next ten years are good, that's me sold.

I will leave it to the spring chickens to sort out.

well, playing only the dumb 3rd person narrative dramas that sony puts out, for sure it won't help your reflexes one bit


go get yourself an xbox fishy. halo will make your reflexes 10 years younger

 

[Bryank75]

Hey GreyHand23 I was speaking more about the PS6 and trying to get a GPU similar to the 3060 with whatever other custom hardware they'll include. Sorry for the mixup.

Mid-gen refresh.

 

[sircaw]

well, playing only the dumb 3rd person narrative dramas that sony puts out, for sure it won't help your reflexes one bit


go get yourself an xbox fishy. halo will make your reflexes 10 years younger

I have standards ffs.

 

[Blond]

Always have Nintendo if they do this...I'll just stop buying PlayStation.

When they see the base collapse and their most loyal leave, they can cry till retirement.

Bet you feel really dumb buying that 200 dollar ghost of tsushima collectors edition now and saying "PC plAyERs dOnt paY fUlL pRiceS f0r GamEs"

 

[GaviotaGrande]

did you wait for the patch?

No, I wanted to expierience this train wreck of a port for myself. It was worth it.

 

[sircaw]

No, I wanted to expierience this train wreck of a port for myself. It was worth it.

thank you for your purchase.

 

[Bryank75]

Guys, guys, guys.... I love you all. Even the PC guys (not the stadia people though) We have an awesome community here...


But if you take my exclusives... it's first blood!

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

I have standards ffs.

well, I think its time to raise those standards of yours

 

[sircaw]

Time to leave this section, there seems to be a lot of very angry pc users in here. Hornet's nest.

It's understandable, considering the cash you guys spent etc on your rigs etc

New Nvidia cards out soon, don't forget to upgrade, your gonna need it for Horizon Zero dawn 2.

 

[Bryank75]

Bet you feel really dumb buying that 200 dollar ghost of tsushima collectors edition now and saying "PC plAyERs dOnt paY fUlL pRiceS f0r GamEs"

WHy would I? It's a beautiful collectors edition and I was delighted with the game, the developers deserve the money.

 

[Hunnybun]

Sure, just reading the writing on the wall here-don't have a crystal ball with all of the answers. I don't think it is a long ways away though.

If I had to guess? Next 5 years. I think you'll see games launching on PC a year later at first, then three months later, then simultaneous. Day 1 launches on PS Now? That might be a little while longer but I imagine it will be happening by mid point of the following generation. It not might not be everything either-could see massive titles like TLOU hold out on PS Now for a year before coming to the service. I don't anticipate that it will be a one size fits all approach at first.

I don't anticipate that streaming will out right replace consoles either. Console-PC-Streaming to TV/Laptop/Phone...different markets for each. Even with really good steaming tech there will still be people that choose a dedicated piece of hardware.


They are clearly saying that this is to increase revenue. Older ports aren't going to move the needle on revenue growth. Newer games will sell much better. This isn't a release our old stuff on PC so people buy a PS5 strategy. PCs and consoles are imperfect substitutes for most users. The consumption preferences of a PC user are usually such that they value the PC experience (graphics, controls, customization, etc) over console exclusives. Most won't be willing to buy a PS5 to play Horizon 2. It just isn't enough to convince someone. Same goes for most console users who value ease of setup most when shopping for video games. The average person just wants to buy a box for their TV to play games vs setting up a PC.

There are people that move between the two but they are few and far between. Frankly the number of people that you could pull away from PC wouldn't be worth the cost of porting older titles to PC. This is a play to increase revenue by making their games accessible to a whole new market. It's about being able to sell 18MM copies of Horizon 2 across PS5 and PC vs 10MM to just PS5 owners or 10.5MM to PS5 owners and people they "converted" from PC.

If this is a revenue play then it isn't just old games but new stuff that will really drive lots of sales.


A platform available on multiple devices. Like Netflix. They'll be device agnostic. You'll be logging into your PS account to stream on your phone, play games on PC, or play on console. It's about meeting the customer where they are. Lots of people who aren't on console and aren't interested in buying a console but will buy PlayStation games/services if they are made available on PC or Mobile.

It is similar to adding a drive thru/to go. There are a lot of people who would drive past a restaurant without stopping because they want to eat at home or on the go. By adding a drive thru you meet these new customers where they are and open yourself up to this market that wasn't buying your food before.

That sounds like a nightmare for Sony, because they'll essentially have nothing to tie gamers to their ecosystem.

Suddenly their competition increases drastically by radically reducing the barrier to entry. Then it just becomes a price war and margins get continuously eroded.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Sony's 1st party games have legs well into the ~3 year mark, enough legs to shift entire consoles. They not going to lose that golden goose, it would be extremely poor business acumen. Any 1st party games that make the jump over to PC are going to be in the +3 year ball park. Just my take on it.

I think HZD is a bit of an outlier personally because of the Kojima Pro/DECIMA link.

But it's really not. I know the TLOU2 is being ported as we speak. People in the industry talk ya know.

 

[sn0man]

Translation
We gonna release older titles to promote newer titles for you to buy on PS5

Translation. No need for PS5. Good for them. Peace out to PC for me.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Love the option; Sony makes a lot of games I'd probably prefer playing on a mouse and keyboard; and while I'm not a huge modder I do love quality of life mods on PC and some of Sonys games could use that.

If they did day one I'd probably buy some on PC and some on console.

If they do staggered, I'd have to judge it per game.. and honestly would likely double dip at times.

 

[Bryank75]

But it's really not. I know the TLOU2 is being ported as we speak. People in the industry talk ya know.

Cause it won't meet sales expectations on PS4 alone.... game is a huge disappointment. Loads of copies sitting in stores can't be shifted.

 

[Goro Majima]

So far I've only read the first page and a bit of the last one, here's a compilation of some takes so far:

- If Sony want to make more $ they can do this, but I'm not sure it will be worth the trouble to port these games

- PC cannot cope with the super advanced PS5 SSD and i/o logic so they won't get the PS5 games ported anyway

- Fat chance PS5 games get ported to PC, PC hardware cannot cope!! (different poster from the one above)

- PC isn't ready for PS5 oriented games

- Sony aren't dumb and study their tactics, unlike other brands. (this one made me chuckle)

- If Sony port another exclusive to PC, I'm not buying the PS5 because ... reasons??


Holy hell guys

I really don't understand being weirdly obsessive over exclusivity.

It's not like PC is an underpowered platform that will hamper development of future games. If Sony came out and said we're porting all our shit to mobile then I could understand why people would be upset.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

WTF? Only problems I had with Horizon on PC (and that was without any patch) was that it probably didn't run as good as it could (still 55-65 FPS in 1080p ultrawide on FS monitor) and there still is no snow deformation and that pisses me off (it's in DS). Animations are fixed now in the latest patch I think

And this game plays much better than PS4 version in much higher framerate, bigger FOV, ultrawide and super low input lag. They will fix most issues eventually and won't outsource major games like this anymore.

Relax guys it's a joke

 

[GaviotaGrande]

It's understandable, considering the cash you guys spent etc on your rigs etc

Get a better job or start a business and quit whining.

Few thousand EUR to spend on a gaming PC is peanuts.

 

[Orta]

It's my choice.... if he thinks he is entitled to tell me how to feel cause he made a game I played, I got news for him. I don't give a shit.

I have 3 Switches in my house and I got 2 PlayStations this gen, if they port one more big title, I wont get any PS5 and I spend a lot on PS exlusive CE's every year and other games on the platform.

I am very definite in what I say and do.

You tell 'em pal.

 

[SlimySnake]

Fuck era. But if that's true then they sure are acting more mature then here. Nobody loses this way.

Nope. Lots of people lose.

- Multiplatform dev takes longer. dev resources are split up and in the end game quality suffers. Sony studios are already much smaller compared to other AAA third party studios. Expecting them to develop two versions of the game without sacrificing the quality and content is always going to be a big ask.
- Single SKU development is always beneficial. Devs can take full advantage of the console and really push the limits. There is a reason why the PS3 exclusives looked so much better than third party ports because the devs learned their way around the cell much faster. the same thing has happened this gen with PS4 exclusives looking far ahead of any third party game with the exception of RDR2 which seemed to have been developed with the PS4 as the lead platform.
- Multiplatform games have always been risk averse. Maybe because of third party publishers putting fiscal year profits over quality. Or maybe because they just dont have the time and luxury system sellers exclusives are afforded. Sony gave Sony Bend 7 years to make Days Gone after they shipped Uncharted vita in 2012. They gave GG 6 years, SSM 5 years, and sucker punch 6 years. how many third party studios are afforded this kind of time? EA has killed so many star wars studios for taking 3 years without producing a demo. Would we have gotten the last guardian after literally 11 years of dev time if it was by a third party publisher?

Again, i dont think so. Sony needed that game because they need exclusives to sell consoles. If they have realized that their brand loyalty is just as good/blind as Nintendo's than why do we think they will continue to invest millions upon millions into risky games? why wont they turn into every other multiplatform publisher? Look at the utterly abysmal output of MS game studios since they started porting games over to PC. Why do we think Sony will not follow the same path. After all, it's clear now that they have put profits over exclusivity. who is to say quality wont be compromised next?

 

[sircaw]

I was double-dipping.

I did the same with Death Stranding but in case of this game it was a vastly superior experience then the first time around on PS4 Pro.

Get a better job or start a business and quit whining.

Few thousand EUR to spend on a gaming PC is peanuts.

I have a feeling that seagull has laid something on your head and it's not an egg.

Have a great night Big man.