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MikeM
Gold Member
PS is the Apple of gaming. Earnings, hardware, software and first party IP all ooze quality.
feynoob
Banned
It's already happened.
It's like some failing you on your highschool purposely. That will have direct consequences on your future, and it won't leave you until you can pick your feet up.
That is their state now
kazuyamishima
Member
It didn’t for Sony with the PS3, they swallowed their ego and tried to do better, less talking and more action.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Sony is competing with a console that's more than twice cheaper than the PS5 since most PS5 out there are being sold in territories where Sony increased its price and they are heavily bundled... I feel like they should be closer honestly.
If this is how they are selling now imagine if they were the same price.
Xbox being 90M...how? Have they crossed 20M by now after over 2 years?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It's the year 2145 A.D.
"Damn, Don Matrick really destroyed the Xbox brand, and we still haven't recovered from that disastrous Xbox One launch."
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Strong results, but objectively on the Playstation side they should have had a strong holiday season given they had a new instalment of their arguably biggest brand (GoW) launching virtually unopposed.
Let's be honest; that's an open goal and with all the conserved momentum from releases earlier in the year against a backdrop of hardware supply constraint, if they didn't perform strongly that'd be a massive red flag for the future.
All that said, its still very credit-worthy as it shows that despite the disruption caused by the pandemic, Sony have done a really good job maintaining their momentum.
Let's be honest; that's an open goal and with all the conserved momentum from releases earlier in the year against a backdrop of hardware supply constraint, if they didn't perform strongly that'd be a massive red flag for the future.
All that said, its still very credit-worthy as it shows that despite the disruption caused by the pandemic, Sony have done a really good job maintaining their momentum.
feynoob
Banned
Doesn't matter what price is Xbox. Sony simply has more advantage with global audience.
This is important, because we have another system that is competing with these 2.
PC is big in Europe and US. With that being the case, global audience would help you get better numbers, instead of relying on these countries like how Xbox is doing.
It was never a competition to begin with.
MS would need to perform very well globally if they want good numbers.
As for the 80m-90m target, we still have more time. If Xbox can pick up their pace with their first output, they can hit, as long they don't have another fk up.
Poltz
Member
Have you forgotten the PS3?
feynoob
Banned
It had games and studios, plus 3rd party support.
Xbox didn't which is why we had "Xbox has no games" meme.
Their studios are still having problems with their output.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Nah. It was a decade ago. Xbox has since launched 2 consoles under Phil's management. And Don Mattrick's Xbox One launch was pacing 60% ahead of Xbox 360. He is not to be blamed.
Doesn't work like that. Sony also failed during the PS3 generation. They recovered the very next-gen. Why can't Xbox even after 10 years? Still blaming poor old Don.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Given these numbers/performance what is driving the PS projection increase? Is the assumption that more players will want the hardware based on software releases (ie Spider-Man 2)?
If software availability is the driving the projections, then why would MS decrease their projections if they have a huge 2023 release plan (ie Starfield)?
Does the availability of the MS first party catalog on PC hurt hardware adoption that much?
What is more important hardware adoption or brand awareness, or are they one and the same?
If software availability is the driving the projections, then why would MS decrease their projections if they have a huge 2023 release plan (ie Starfield)?
Does the availability of the MS first party catalog on PC hurt hardware adoption that much?
What is more important hardware adoption or brand awareness, or are they one and the same?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's not necessarily true, though.
In 2021, Horizon Forbidden West was delayed, and Sony didn't have any big first-party game. Their last "big" first-party was Rift Apart that released in June 2021.
And Xbox launched 2 of its biggest IPs unopposed in an open field: Halo and Forza.
Didn't work out for them.
This strong PS5 performance isn't just about God of War (although it helps a lot). It is a culmination of decades of goodwill and high-quality games. Also, if someone is not into God of War, there's a big lineup of other games with a lot of variety to dip into.
kyliethicc
Member
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Simple: Demand and Supply. There's millions of people out there that tried and failed to have a PS5 for years.
Gaf doesn't understand that there's a world outside the USA that hasn't seen a single PS5 unit in store since day one, specially in Europe. And that's finally changing right now.
Playstation as a brand is incredibly global and many of those countries haven't seen units widely available.
You could send 1M units to Germany to stores and they'd probably sell out at this point.
Sony is counting on those hungry markets that always supported them and could barely get any units so far.
They also just started a marketing campaign kind of relaunching the PS5. That may boost the numbers.
Then later this year not only is Spider-Man 2 releasing, but we also have the PS5 slim releasing and possibly a PS5 price cut (since it won't have the disk drive natively). That's going to drive even more sales to it and i'm not counting on other games like Final Fantasy XVI. There's also the fact that Hogwarts...even if it's not an exclusive game it's incredibly tied to PS5 right now with the marketing campaign, with the exclusive content and the fact the last gen versions were delayed, meaning PS5 will be the go-to console for the game. I'm sure there will be some sort of hardware bundle as well.
Meanwhile i see both Xbox consoles for about a year in my country with no issues.
It's all about demand these two consoles have.
Poltz
Member
Xbox was very strong in that gen.
Killer8
Gold Member
The writing was on the wall for Xbox when the typical 7th gen chest beating about sales numbers morphed into the ambiguous and harder to define "user engagement" numbers.
Poltz
Member
Activision also threatened to walk away from the PS3. Sony doubled down on 1st Party and are reaping the rewards now. https://www.gamedeveloper.com/pc/kotick-activision-could-withdraw-ps3-support-without-a-price-cut
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feynoob
Banned
I can't believe that clown still has a job at Xbox.
Dude boasting about npd sales.
Which makes it even more sweet that Ragnarok sold more than halo 5 in 2 month.
Ronin_7
Member
Competition of the decade
Also for those wondering, Sony will relaunch PS5 in September with new streamlined version & probably a new base price of 399.99 or something close to it.
Tripolygon
Banned
What they aren't telling you in all these charts and numbers is the reduction in transparency numbers. Where is the openess statistics? Now that is really what matters but i guess they aren't going to tell us.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
There really isn't any "righting" the ship. The model is misguided base on the level of control Microsoft has and the userbase of the XSX/S.
They have to pay for these games on Xbox AND on PC... that's a tremendous cost. Even with their first party games like HiFi Rush, you can get it on PC for a month of GamePass, beat it, cancel GamePass, wait for Starfield. Mind you, Hi-Fi Rush is only 30 or 40 dollars, but they have no income from PC gamers buying non MS games via Steam.
The cost to keep these subscribers is too great. GamePass won't automatically get cheaper if the global recession causes fewer subscribers to join or keep the service. 3rd parties will want MORE money to account for lost sales and Microsoft will want to cut expenses as much as possible. Q3 was bad for Microsoft but Q4 will be even worse.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Competition of the decade
Also for those wondering, Sony will relaunch PS5 in September with new streamlined version & probably a new base price of 399.99 or something close to it.
I wouldn't expect a PS5 price drop anytime soon with the demand still outstripping supply.
I think we'll see the PS5 slim replace the PS5 and PS5 DE at 500 and PS5 will definitely outpace PS4 if they can make enough units. That's really the only question at the moment. With Spider-Man 2 coming out probably in the 2nd half of the year, demand is going to be crazy. Can already see the bundle for 560.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
A few items to note here:
1. Because this is NPD is ignores the European numbers which probably represent half of the sales of those PS3 games or close to it.
2. I think it speaks to the strength of the Halo brand at the time under Bungie but also kind of the ceiling of Sony first party with the PS3 userbase at the time.
The Last of Us was the best selling Sony PS3 title with 7 million copies sold. The Uncharted games topped out at 6.6 million and God of War sold 5.2. Throwing in Killzone and Resistance 1+2, really don't do much.
I give Phil Spencer a hard time because I don't think he's really great at what he does, but he has a pretty bad hand. They're throwing money after Halo, Fable, and Gears without the original teams and that hasn't worked out. Because it hasn't worked out he bought established studios/publishers, but in Bethesda one that has a troubled history with releases, and now in ABK that may or may not go through, while handcuffing his strategy for 2 years one way or the other. 2 years is a lot of time to be stuck in the mud in gaming, especially at the start a generation (but there's really no good time to buy a company the size of abk when game cycles can be 5+ years)
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
This is really going to pick up with FF16. Will probably have 6 figure weeks again.
We'll see if Dragon Quest 12 is on Switch and/or PS4/5.
Ansphn
Member
Especially with Spiderman 2, and Final Fantasy
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Not sure that's really the case.
Sports games are basically a dime a dozen right now, but MLB The Show is one of the most successful sports franchises as of late since it has gone multiplatform.
Dreams was also a highly acclaimed game.
Pretty much all of their games are polished, so it's going to be interesting to see them toss their name in the ring for multiplayer, F2P, and GaaS type games.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yep, DQ12, KH4, FF16, (and possible/eventually) Persona 6.
If all of these 4 games are PS exclusives, PS will sell crazy numbers in Japan.
jm89
Member
As much the bufoonery greenberg gets upto, i'd be lying if i didn't say i miss these companies poking fun at each other.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Absolutely insane hardware numbers. Jesus.
Gow saved their ass. 20 million after posting two 6.6 million quarters shows just how much gow was responsible.
So the quarter when hfw, mlb and gt7 came out Sony crushed it with 14 million sales. Then dropped to 6.6 million the next quarter and then again despite the release of tlou. Down from the year before.
We might be able to Sherlock Holmes the hfw, gt7 and tlou numbers by comparing the quarters. If gow sold 10 million by the end of December then half of the 20 million were gow alone. That would put hfw, mlb and gt7 at 7 million in q4 of last year when they sold 14 million.
I’m surprised Sony sold fewer units the quarter tlou came out because they had no new releases in the year before that.
Gow saved their ass. 20 million after posting two 6.6 million quarters shows just how much gow was responsible.
So the quarter when hfw, mlb and gt7 came out Sony crushed it with 14 million sales. Then dropped to 6.6 million the next quarter and then again despite the release of tlou. Down from the year before.
We might be able to Sherlock Holmes the hfw, gt7 and tlou numbers by comparing the quarters. If gow sold 10 million by the end of December then half of the 20 million were gow alone. That would put hfw, mlb and gt7 at 7 million in q4 of last year when they sold 14 million.
I’m surprised Sony sold fewer units the quarter tlou came out because they had no new releases in the year before that.
reinking
Gold Member
Release schedule and fucking up a flagship title is holding them back. Xbox One disaster is only an excuse at this point.
Ansphn
Member
Only way for Xbox to be successful is if they were a studio under PlayStation or Nintendo.
Ainem Enamas
Member
Appropriate games we need. As long games are feeling as games.
diffusionx
Gold Member
A lot of people really loved the PS4 and I fully expected the PS5 to be a massive hit, I just didn’t think it would take them 2 years to get supply issues sorted out. I think we are really going to see massive, massive PS5 numbers going forward and all Sony has to do is keep delivering games which they seem set up to do.
Games are the only thing that matter, ever. Nobody is buying one console over another because it has a few extra teraflops. It’s absolutely meaningless. I feel like this is something people re-learn every generation. Sony has games and MS does not.
fermcr
Member
You make fun of him for boasting sales, and you do the exact same thing... Full circle. You basically making fun of yourself.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
Yeah...fire Jim Ryan he has no idea to run the gamingdivision
Mr Moose
Member
Fey doesn't work for MicroSoft/Xbox. Unless...
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Kind of a poor take. TLOU was a 70 dollar remake that they released in advance knowing it would pick up sales later when the show launched.
So, yeah, it would make sense that those quarters would be less performative and you don't need every quarter to outdo the previous one. Game release cycles, especially for Sony aren't going to do that.
I'd also caution trying to piecemeal the numbers because it's not all new releases.
Miles Morales still has legs. The Last of Us Part 2 was the 5th most downloaded game in the EU Ps store in December and 7th in the US for PS4 games, both ahead of Ragnarok. God of War and God of War 3 remastered were also in the top 20 on both lists. Marvel's Spider-Man was 16th on the EU chart.
It's not all new releases and a lot of these games especially discounted are being picked up by people throughout the year as they buy PS5s like Demon's Souls. Are these games selling million of units individually? No, but collectively, they're probably doing pretty decent numbers.
gothmog
Gold Member
SM2 will move a lot of units at current retail so I'm curious what they will price the new version at?Competition of the decade
Also for those wondering, Sony will relaunch PS5 in September with new streamlined version & probably a new base price of 399.99 or something close to it.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Even outsold Switch in Japan last week. SIE firing on all cylinders.
feynoob
Banned
Difference is I don't work for Xbox.
fermcr
Member
That's worse! Aaron Greenberg is getting paid to say stupid things. Others do it for free...
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
The biggest indicator of how well software will do in a given quarter is probably how well hardware did in a given quarter all things being relatively equal, but we also can't forget 3rd party titles as competition.