$299 -or more- sounds as a good guess. My bet is $349.
It's basically a DualSense + 8" tablet / smartphone. It's not only the display: it needs CPU, memory, wifi, etc.
A thought experiment?I think Sony made this thing for fun. They had plenty of DualSenses sitting around and unused screens from other Sony branch like the old tablets they had and they said:"You know what? There is a brilliant idea!". And Project Q happened.
I sincerely think this is an open survey to see how many would complain and curse Sony and demand a true handheld to assess their next move and R&D for such a thing.
A thought experiment?
It only 'needs' that if you're building a tablet with controller attachment.It's basically a DualSense + 8" tablet / smartphone. It's not only the display: it needs CPU, memory, wifi, etc.
The added BoM can be done in 20$ - even if you throw 80% margin on that and add it to the DS price, it's still a sub 200$ device.$300 already sounds optimistic to me.
It's certainly possible - but given they're not introducing a new product category, they'll need to show something that they haven't talked about so far to justify it.Apple sells computer wheels and stands for how much?
Google and Apple and Garmin sell watch straps for how much?
This with be 249 or 199 at a push.
It needs a CPU+GPU chip, memory, some small storage, a 8" display, battery and wifi to stream stuff. Basically a tablet/phone without GPS and related stuff to make phone calls.It only 'needs' that if you're building a tablet with controller attachment.
What this really is (according to info so far) is a DS with all of its existing I/O + screen and an ASIC (or extend the existing one) to decode the incoming video.
It doesn't need to run its own OS or any other general purpose compute - unless there's a bunch of additional features still to be revealed that no leak or PR has mentioned yet.
The added BoM can be done in 20$ - even if you throw 80% margin on that and add it to the DS price, it's still a sub 200$ device.
It's certainly possible - but given they're not introducing a new product category, they'll need to show something that they haven't talked about so far to justify it.
I agree it's more than $20 BOM, but it doesn't need storage really or a high end GPU/CPU, just a very basic SoC. The BOM will still be less than $100 in my opinion.It needs a CPU+GPU chip, memory, some small storage, a 8" display, battery and wifi to stream stuff. Basically a tablet/phone without GPS and related stuff to make phone calls.
The BOM of that isn't $20 at all. They're basically ducktaping a 8" tablet/phone on a dualsense to make Remote Play/maybe cloud gaming too. It needs a CPU, a GPU, wifi etc. If desired the additional chip to decompress video via hardware too, but still needs the CPU and GPU to track the pad stuff and stream it to the other machine plus, to make the connection and receive and render here the video and audio received.
I still don't get why people think this is a bad idea? Am I missing something? If this is relatively cheap then what is the issue?I think this device is realy representative of where Sony is today and what they think of consumers. Hopefully the thing crashes and burns to be honest.
The main issue isn't just the battery being overall degraded, which is still valid mind you as people keep phones longer now.Issue is. Heavy gaming on the phone, even streaming, is a lithium ion overall life state killer.
Not good for a multi-use device that is running so many background functions with WIFI, BT, cellular, etc..
But if you trade your phone in yearly or every two years, that may not be a bother.
I mean, it's a remote play device that does no native game processing.
anything above $150 is overkill as far as I'm concerned.
Not to mention you can already do remote play on android / iOS devices.
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No it doesn't.It needs a CPU+GPU chip, memory, some small storage, a 8" display, battery and wifi to stream stuff.
That might be what they're doing - but that's an assumption based on no information we've seen to date. The info we 'do' have is that it's a DualSense with a screen capable of displaying a stream from PS5. No new inputs, features, or standalone capabilities have been announced to date.They're basically ducktaping a 8" tablet/phone on a dualsense
Not for anything announced so far.And that also needs to run under some kind of OS
LCDYou’re crazy. It’s a dual sense and an [CHECK_YOUR_FACTS] screen, which must have a processor inside. 100$? For free while you’re at it.
Why do you think it’s good? It will be over $200.I still don't get why people think this is a bad idea? Am I missing something? If this is relatively cheap then what is the issue?
Or is it just because you don't want it then it's bad?
Surprising that it's coming from Microsoft I guess.Game Rant calling this a 'surprising claim'. Trash journalism.
Because I can (or my kids) play the PS5 anywhere in the house or garden with proper controls + decent sized screen from anywhere in the house even if the TV is being used.Why do you think it’s good? It will be over $200.
Get a clip for a controller and use a phone/tablet. It’s utterly pointless and is a test to see what other garbage they can make and get away with. If, it can be upgraded with firmware down the line to allow cloud streaming, I could maybe see it having more value. But right now it’s pointless.Because I can (or my kids) play the PS5 anywhere in the house or garden with proper controls + decent sized screen from anywhere in the house even if the TV is being used.
And we don't know the price yet so pointless getting upset about it
Because all that is a pain in the ass...Get a clip for a controller and use a phone/tablet. It’s utterly pointless and is a test to see what other garbage they can make and get away with. If, it can be upgraded with firmware down the line to allow cloud streaming, I could maybe see it having more value. But right now it’s pointless.
Ok. It seems you have a good case scenario to use it then. How much are you willing/hoping to pay for it?Because all that is a pain in the ass...
a phone screen is too small
I don't own a tablet (well, not one suitable for this use)
anyone in the house can use it without handing over your phone/tablet
unless you pair an actual PS5 controller to the phone/tablet you won't have controls as good
and related to the above... Comfort
At the end of the day, so long as you are within WiFi of the PS5 this is basically a portable PS5 (yes, I know it needs a PS5 to function)
I wouldn't pay $99 for it. Just use your phone with a controller. At most I'll pay $50 as a novelty.Microsoft Reveals Surprising Project Q PlayStation Handheld Price
Microsoft makes a suprising claim about the price of Sony's upcoming handheld, Project Q, during its hearing with the FTC for its Activision deal.gamerant.com
"Microsoft claims that Sony’s upcoming handheld, codenamed Project Q, will cost less than $300. This was revealed in a filing presented to FTC"
Anything over $200 for this thing would be dead in the water. If you can't use it to play games where there is no wifi or it doesn't have an OLED screen, I can see the price being less than that.
I'd say anything over $150 it will have issues. You can pretty much use anything to stream the PS5.
Should be $100 max for something that is just a streaming device.
The only thing I can see it being above $100 is that it comes with a (fairly expensive) Dualsense built in.
Have they said if the screen will be LCD or OLED ?
let's be reasonable here. The DS controller on its own cost $70.Id say a fair price would be $100;
its just basically a controller with a screen that works over local wifi.
Will be totally useless once stick drift starts on it.
The information we have is that it's basically a dual sense (with all its features) split into two, and that plays PS5 via remote play using wifi.That might be what they're doing - but that's an assumption based on no information we've seen to date. The info we 'do' have is that it's a DualSense with a screen capable of displaying a stream from PS5. No new inputs, features, or standalone capabilities have been announced to date.
True, doesn't need high end GPU, CPU or memory, and will only need very little storage. But will need them. Plus a 8" (1080p?) display, battery, dual sense etc. I think it may be more than $100, specially considering that in recent times price components, shipments, etc. increased.I agree it's more than $20 BOM, but it doesn't need storage really or a high end GPU/CPU, just a very basic SoC. The BOM will still be less than $100 in my opinion.
It needs a CPU+GPU chip, memory, some small storage, a 8" display, battery and wifi to stream stuff. Basically a tablet/phone without GPS and related stuff to make phone calls.
The BOM of that isn't $20 at all. They're basically ducktaping a 8" tablet/phone on a dualsense to make Remote Play/maybe cloud gaming too. It needs a CPU, a GPU, wifi etc. If desired the additional chip to decompress video via hardware too, but still needs the CPU and GPU to track the pad stuff and stream it to the other machine plus, to make the connection and receive and render here the video and audio received.
And that also needs to run under some kind of OS. Which can be some standard one like Android, but also a custom one only made for this.
I reckon somewhere between $150-$200, I can't see it being more than that. I'm hoping Sony go nuts and sell it for $100-$150, I can see it selling well at that price point,.Ok. It seems you have a good case scenario to use it then. How much are you willing/hoping to pay for it?
RP is a codec with a connection handshake, it doesn't need an OS or a CPU (and definitely not a GPU) to work.So it needs the components required to make remote play. Which basically are the ones I mentioned.
Remote play is junkI wouldn't pay $99 for it. Just use your phone with a controller. At most I'll pay $50 as a novelty.
Backbone one is a hundred on its own.It sure should be, it's just a streaming box with a screen.
Edit: I guess "DualSense with a screen" is more accurate. But that still shouldn't be over $200. $150, even.
Seems you don't know how programming works. You need an OS to detect button presses and analogs, trigger the haptics, render the streamed video, to handle the streaming with the console in both sides not only for the original handshake, but during the gameplay, to handle some indicator for battery and wifi signal quality indicator or something like that and a long etc.RP is a codec with a connection handshake, it doesn't need an OS or a CPU (and definitely not a GPU) to work.
Obviously if they wanted to just reuse the Android or iOS RP apps for this - then sure, you'd need to stick a compatible tablet SoC in there, but that just goes back to what I said about how pointless the entire concept (potentially) is.
Depends on the specs of the screen, if it's 4K HDR 120hz VRR I can see it being around 300$
Add to this $249 price a bigger screen (from 7" to 8"), haptic feedback and adaptative triggers, plus pretty likely better components and who knows if better battery.The Logitech G Cloud regularly goes for $249 right from Logitech's website, and the only profit they're making on it is the actual hardware sale.
The intension with Project Q, just like with Playstation consoles, is not to make gobs of money on hardware sales, but to bring more people to their ecosystem.
It'd be insane for Sony to ask $300 for this, particularly since this handheld will have significantly less functionality than something like the G Cloud since it's tied to Sony's ecosystem and you presumably won't be able to play Android games, play xCloud/Luna/GeForce Now/Shadow PC, etc.., play emulators, etc.. etc.. It'll likely strictly be a Playstation ecosystem device.
$200 max or Sony's just wasting everyone's time.
Are you working in Australian dollars or something, I really want one of these due to reasons I discussed, but at $349+ this thing would be dead. $250 absolute maxAdd to this $249 price a bigger screen (from 7" to 8"), haptic feedback and adaptative triggers, plus pretty likely better components and who knows if better battery.
Makes more sense a higher price than $300 for Sony. I think $349 or $399 are more realistic candidates. Yes, $99 or even $199 would be great but it isn't realistic at all.
Sony is very happy with the sales of their accesories, which mostly are premium stuff. Like the Dualsense Edge ($199, without having a display and without remote play).