PdotMichael
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You ignored the OVA market. Back in the days we had some long tv animes and many OVAs with less than 12 episodes.
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You ignored the OVA market. Back in the days we had some long tv animes and many OVAs with less than 12 episodes.
Jex
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I didn't ignore OVA's, I was only looking at anime TV series'. The OVA and TV markets are completely different.
They're all bugged out and stuff. More so than the rest of the cast. It makes Tamaki look dead at times.
PdotMichael
Banned
The anime market was completely different in the 80s and 90s. There were no 30 new tv shows each season but just some long runner and the big OVA market.
It's not comparable.
Jex
Member
It's still the same market. It's clearly undergone a number of changes since, say, the 60's and 70's but that doesn't mean that you can't compare them. That doesn't even make sense.
The fact that things are different is what makes the comparison interesting, it's not trying to say that things are similar to how they were.
Femmeworth
Banned
Wait until Google figures out what your avatar is.
DrForester
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Bamboo Blade 1
Not sure if creepy or moe. In any case, this show will suffice as my sports show to watch since Chihaya is no more. In between I might watch the prequel thingy for Saki Moejang.
Bamboo Blade is pretty self aware of the possible creepy moe factor and usually makes light of it and never "goes there"
chickdigger802
Banned
That reminds me of a little fan video me and my friends made a long time back. Boring every day tasks like watering the plants or drinking tea, but with shaky cam, matrix style camera rotations. Kungfu sound effects. Explosions. Flashbacks.
Wonder where I kept that gem.
yeah the loofah scene happens off screen in the manga(the spray is an extra scene), plus the mc gazing at rea breast and cousin fan service shots on the bed with her rubbing her breast on his head are not the manga(in the manga the cousin is introduce on the way to school not in some bed room scene other then that her lines are the same).
Rick's Bread 04:
It was (kind of) a bathing suit episode, giving Neris and Xiaomei the opportunity to show off their tight buns and svelte breadbaskets! Unfortunately, what was supposed to be a fun excursion nearly turned tragic when Neris filled up on bread too soon before taking a swim, causing her to sink like a loaf of Texas toast. Fortunately, Xiaomei was able to rise to the occasion and rescued Neris from her jam. Rick and the girls managed to dredge up some treasure, but their prospects for making dough suddenly soured when
. Everyone was steamed, but on Windaria island you just have to roll with the punches.
It was (kind of) a bathing suit episode, giving Neris and Xiaomei the opportunity to show off their tight buns and svelte breadbaskets! Unfortunately, what was supposed to be a fun excursion nearly turned tragic when Neris filled up on bread too soon before taking a swim, causing her to sink like a loaf of Texas toast. Fortunately, Xiaomei was able to rise to the occasion and rescued Neris from her jam. Rick and the girls managed to dredge up some treasure, but their prospects for making dough suddenly soured when
the kingdom seized every last crumb
It is definitely one of the greats. there's good reason even the sub-only Pioneer sets cost so much. Its a very cute and (mostly) innocent series.
HOOK IT TO MY VEINS.
I honestly don't think this is the case. I have owned or seen dozens of shows spanning over the last ten years that are an example of both, and this doesn't include OVAs. It doesn't really seem that any more or less 13 or 26 episode (or 24,25) shows have been produced lately.
There are just way too many shows to know for sure. A lot of shows have just been ignored by people and run various lengths, so I doubt that studios just stopped making longer shows. Maybe for a year or two the number has varied.
hosannainexcelsis
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There are two major changes which this chart reflects, and which I feel should be clearly distinguished:
1. The rise of late-night anime. During the 1980s and most the 1990s, almost all TV anime aired during the daytime, was aimed at general audiences, and usually ran for a large number of episodes. There were also much fewer shows per year than over the past decade. Anime aimed at the smaller niche and/or with more risque content made up the thriving OVA market. Around 1997, more and more anime began airing during late-night TV slots, siphoning off the more otaku-oriented and adventurous content from the OVA market, and steadily grew into the market we have today. Early examples would be Those Who Hunt Elves (2 12-episode seasons in 1996 and 1997) and Serial Experiments Lain (13-episode season in 1998). Late-night anime has always been 26 episodes or less, with rare exceptions such as Monster, probably because the production committee has to bear the financial burden without being able to rely on steady income from outside advertisers. If you restricted your examination to daytime anime, which is still aimed at kids and families, I believe you would find that even today most shows tend to be long-running, often around a year. Space Brothers, as it airs at 7 AM on Sundays, falls into this category.
2. The shift within late-night anime. As you can see from the above examples, 1-cour shows have always been a significant part of late-night anime, but what is undeniable is that there were a fairly large number of 2-cour shows during the height of the anime boom in the mid-2000s, and that number has steadily dropped as the industry has contracted. What is somewhat counterbalancing that decline now is the recent trend of split-cour shows, such as Natsume, Fate/Zero, and Rinne no Lagrange. The split-cour format allows longer stories to be told while making it a bit easier on the production staff to crank out episodes, so we'll see if it continues to grow in future seasons.
These stats are less meaningful unless you also have graphs for total number of episodes produced per year, and number of series produced per year. I think you'll see an interesting climb in that area which directly correlates to individual shows being shorter. Since it would cost money to produce any given episode of animation, it makes sense that as more and more shows are funded each year, the average length of a given show is generally shorter.
There is no way every studio can make five on-going 52 episode shows for example, but if they previously made one 52-episode show per year, and now they make one 52-episode show and four 13-episode shows every year, the average length of episodes by this statistic would still go down, but the reality remains that they're not making less anime but more.
They look so much better when you can't see their faces.
Ultimadrago
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RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Bravo!!
Ultimadrago
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Hidamari Sketch Hoshimittsu SP 1-2
SP 1
A new restaurant opens up nearby so everyone wants to check it out...
I guess it gives insight into the foods they like? I dunno, change of setting was well-to-do though.
Afterwards, we shift to a flashback of Natsume who is rushing to her entrance ceremony. The whole segment is given a washed out palette for the viewer to see as Natsume is uncertain about leaving her middle school friends.
Just as everything seems to be going wrong she meets
who "brings color back to her day" and also makes her yuri hard.
She then gets
THE END!
SP 2
Yuno goes home to see her old peeps. Gives us a showing of her room and default caring parents...and fat cat.
Then BBQin'.
Anyways, just some extra summer episodes.
Ever feel like you're being watched?...
SP 1
A new restaurant opens up nearby so everyone wants to check it out...
"Maid Cafeeeee!"
I guess it gives insight into the foods they like? I dunno, change of setting was well-to-do though.
Time to move along, little one.
Afterwards, we shift to a flashback of Natsume who is rushing to her entrance ceremony. The whole segment is given a washed out palette for the viewer to see as Natsume is uncertain about leaving her middle school friends.
Just as everything seems to be going wrong she meets
Sae
She then gets
NTR'd by Hiro.
THE END!
SP 2
Men are clueless.
Yuno goes home to see her old peeps. Gives us a showing of her room and default caring parents...and fat cat.
Then BBQin'.
Anyways, just some extra summer episodes.
Jex
Member
I went and counted. By hand. It took awhile.
hosannainexcelsis
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Madhouse has a new series! And it's premiering next week! Well, a series of shorts. Advertising shorts.
Femmeworth
Banned
You forgot to mention Aoi Hana. :|
Well, at least that's better than another season of Highschool of the Dead.
Jex
Member
Well there's absolutely no reason I couldn't go find all that information, apart from the length of time it would take to compile. Thankfully, I already did some of this earlier:
I am fairly certain that, on the whole, more anime is being made than before, but the whole reason I looked for this information was to see if individual titles were getting shorter in length, as opposed to the output of a studio which will naturally span many shows.
Anyway, for all I know some intrepid academic or blogger has already compiled all this easily available information into useful charts and graphs (as it's freely available) but I haven't come across it myself. Presumably because it's very tedious to do.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I'd be interested in a 26 ep Aoi Hana just because the 11 episode variant wasn't all that interesting.
Its probably within the last couple of years then, because Im pretty sure I have seen plenty of recent shows in the 24-26 episode range. A lot of older shows I have seem to be OVA releases so who knows. A lot of recent shows have been split cour and have multiple seasons, instead of a single running show. Could also have been a lack of good ideas for a show. I just know that I have a shitload of short shows dating way back to the 90s even, so I havent noticed a change. Just the release methods have seemed different.
Femmeworth
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From what I'm told about the manga, I don't think you would find a 26 episode adaptation any more interesting. Unless a lot of liberty was taken.
Jex
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Even though I did not bother to record that data in my tables that's largely true, from what I remember. It's one of those constants, like long-running shounen shows which have been long-running since the early sports titles.
I can't imagine that this won't continue. It makes too much sense for everyone involved. Heck, even American shows have used the same format.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Doctor Who (I know, different country) did it last year. Do you have any idea how that worked out for them?
chickdigger802
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Sankarea 5
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And that sums up that eps.
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And that sums up that eps.
Well there's absolutely no reason I couldn't go find all that information, apart from the length of time it would take to compile. Thankfully, I already did some of this earlier:
Cool. Those statistics more or less look like what I expect.
Right but what I'm saying is that "individual titles" is also not a very specific thing. Are shows which tend to run for long seasons getting shorter? I'm not sure they are, since we still get long shounen series like FMA, Soul Eater, FMA:B, Toriko, HxH, etc getting made.
If we were to compare it with shows in the past, I would say the difference was that in the past these sort of shows were the most common form of titles, while the more boutique sort of series we see popping up these days which run for 13 episodes or less are stuff which would not have even been made in the 80s and 90s. Or they would have been OVAs, which might run at the same length or even shorter.
Obviously this doesn't apply to everything. There are certainly genres where shows have gotten shorter, but like hosannainexcelsis pointed out in his very detailed post, there are a ton of reasons for it, and sometimes episode length can be rather deceptive today, since it is all in how you broadcast and sell it, rather than how long a series "really" is. See: Gundam 00.
Femmeworth
Banned
I believe last year's series did fairly well.
I think a lot of them were OVAs. the way they are packaged lists them as if they are normal series, but ANN lists a lot of older stuff as an OVA. They are full series length though. You are right about how the stuff is marketed and broadcasted seems different today than the way I remember it being years ago. SPlitting up seasons midway and such. although it used to all be released by volume in the states anyway.
Femmeworth
Banned
Will it ever be feasible for most TV anime productions to have ~40 minute episodes? Western TV productions have spoiled me, and I think everything except for comedies would benefit from it. Anime would definitely need to have much wider appeal, especially in Japan, for it to work.
Call us back when western TV animation productions are 40 minutes long per episode.
This will probably never happen. I wont say it definitely wont, because industries do weird shit, but its not very likely.
Crash Station
Member
Are you going through the equivalent chapters as the show airs?
Femmeworth
Banned
Just about all of them are aimed at children, though. That is not the case with anime, am I right? The American animation industry and the Japanese animation industry are two different things.
As CG improves, I think it will be more feasible.
Dedication Through Light
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The last 40 minute cartoon episode I remember was, I think one or two episodes of the last airbender, which could have benefited from being even longer. Otherwise cant think of any cartoon that was that long.
Anime running at any decent hour is aimed at children. No question about it. The rest of anime is not really aimed at anyone at all! Manchildren maybe. Lulz. Sales and ratings also reflect that.
Crash Station
Member
I can't even think of 1 other than Figure 17.
When people say 40 mins, they mean it would have an hour block.
Jex
Member
Absolutely, although I don't know if there was ever a time when those kinds of long running shows weren't getting made at those lengths, because they're all targeting the same demographic.
I will certainly agree that certain boutique titles (e.g. Wandering Son) would probably have never been made before, or they'd be OVA's. For example, yuri titles like Aoi Hana didn't really exist at one time (and I guess still don't exist now).
However, nearly 80% (roughly) of titles in 2008 were 13 episodes or less. These aren't all 'boutique' shows in boutique genres that no-one watches. I mean we've got stuff like rom-coms (Ano Natsu, B Gata), general comedies (Haiyore! ), action shows (Sacred Seven), slice of life stuff (Hanamaru Kindergarten), horrorish (Highschool of the Dead), drama (House of Five Leaves), supernatural (Otome Yōkai Zakuro) and so on.
To really find out more I'd need to look at how many episodes each work in a certain genre had over time because that would give us a better understanding of how, or if, this has changed.
I did a very basic study of the number of shows in a given genre produced over the years, but it's not very helpful.
Right, you have to pretty careful when classifying this stuff.
Yes I know, and I highly doubt TV channel companies would want that.
It could of course be stuffed full of commercials and companies LOVE those.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
It certainly helped the first episode of Fate/Zero. I think a lot of drama could benefit from 40 minute episodes, but I doubt it ever happens. You're effectively doubling the amount of work that would need to be done for each episode, which would make sticking to a strict TV schedule very difficult unless a show had a ridiculous amount of lead time. Most studios seem to have a hard enough time as it is.
40 minute episodes would really help shows like Kids on the Slope and Wandering Son, though. It's a nice idea, but probably not feasible.
I wonder if this might have to do more with the shows being adapted now cutting out a lot of "filler" to save money. Older shows used to have tons of filler episodes and the longer ones didnt really get going until halfway through the series. Noir for example. Lots of shows would get to the teens before really taking off in a decisive direction.
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