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Spring Anime 2012 | Welcome Home, Space Cowboy

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gomu gomu no QUALITY

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dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Can you hear that? It's the sound of another Biglobe poll. Today's topic: shows that you enjoyed but sold poorly. Top 30 below (sales data included where available), rest at the link:
4. Future Diary (BD+DVD 1) [2,336]
edit: it seems that only shows below the Manabi Line (~3000) were eligible.
I didn't realize that Future Diary did so poorly, but this is excellent news.
 

duckroll

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Ah ok. I can understand the satsuei point.

But isn't Fate/Zero still a good example of sakuga? It has more animation and doesn't reuse as much frames than many other shows out there.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the term? I mean, would you call something Star Driver a good example of sakuga, even with its incessant reuse of animation?

The term sakuga as used by the animation fanbase does not refer to simply having animation or whether a show recycles footage or not. None of that is important. As I said before, it is whether the show has superb showcases of animation talent from outstanding animators.

In terms of pure sakuga, ep4 of Fate/Zero definitely qualifies as a sakuga episode, but overall Fate/Zero's focus has never been showing off stuff like that. Star Driver on the other hand, has several episodes which would classify as sakuga, and has a staple of animators with a visible style contributing throughout the series.
 

Branduil

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That's true, consistent would be the best way to describe Fate/Zero. I don't think I've seen an instance where there's bad art/animation or any normal mistakes you would see in a TV airing.

What would be good examples of true sakuga shows?

Cowboy Bebop
The Tatami Galaxy
Dennou Coil
Birdy the Mighty Decode
FMA Brotherhood
Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Darker than Black
K-on
Nichijou
Usagi Drop

Also, I should say that there are some shows that are both sakuga and just as consistent as Fate/Zero, particularly KyoAni's shows.
 

Jarmel

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Tasogara Otome x Amensia 1

This is horrible on multiple levels. The joke ran way too long and then they just redid the entire sequence. Some of these characters aren't introduced until way later in the manga. This was a horrible introduction episode as well as many of the character relationships are already established. This is completely different from the manga and not in a good way. The tone is way off as well.

The art is obviously a set down from the manga too.
 

duckroll

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Cowboy Bebop
The Tatami Galaxy
Dennou Coil
Birdy the Mighty Decode
FMA Brotherhood
Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Darker than Black
K-on
Nichijou
Usagi Drop

Also, I should say that there are some shows that are both sakuga and just as consistent as Fate/Zero, particularly KyoAni's shows.

I wouldn't really consider Darker than BLACK a sakuga show at all. There are some good scenes here and there, but it really wouldn't be anywhere near the top of such a list. Lots of better candidates like Wolf's Rain, Samurai Champloo, Vision of Escaflowne, Eureka Seven, and even Blood-C! :p
 

frostbyte

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The term sakuga as used by the animation fanbase does not refer to simply having animation or whether a show recycles footage or not. None of that is important. As I said before, it is whether the show has superb showcases of animation talent from outstanding animators.

In terms of pure sakuga, ep4 of Fate/Zero definitely qualifies as a sakuga episode, but overall Fate/Zero's focus has never been showing off stuff like that. Star Driver on the other hand, has several episodes which would classify as sakuga, and has a staple of animators with a visible style contributing throughout the series.

Cowboy Bebop
The Tatami Galaxy
Dennou Coil
Birdy the Mighty Decode
FMA Brotherhood
Evangelion
Gurren Lagann
Darker than Black
K-on
Nichijou
Usagi Drop

Also, I should say that there are some shows that are both sakuga and just as consistent as Fate/Zero, particularly KyoAni's shows.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up.
 

Branduil

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I wouldn't really consider Darker than BLACK a sakuga show at all. There are some good scenes here and there, but it really wouldn't be anywhere near the top of such a list. Lots of better candidates like Wolf's Rain, Samurai Champloo, Vision of Escaflowne, Eureka Seven, and even Blood-C! :p

Yeah, I was mainly just throwing it in there because I still feel sorry for what happened to it.
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
I wouldn't really consider Darker than BLACK a sakuga show at all. There are some good scenes here and there, but it really wouldn't be anywhere near the top of such a list. Lots of better candidates like Wolf's Rain, Samurai Champloo, Vision of Escaflowne, Eureka Seven, and even Blood-C! :p
Does E7 past episode-26 really count as a sakuga show though? :p also inb4 this list gets posted http://2chan.us/wordpress/2010/05/01/sakugawikis-list-of-recommended-sakuga-anime/
 
One Piece x Toriko Collaboration 2 pt 2
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Im guessing they had a second team (the normal one piece team?) committed to this episode. It looked leagues better than the first one. Only thing lacking was the lack of that special thing in the hits from Toriko. But the most epic moment was
ZEBRA actually doing something, he hadnt even been formally introduced in Toriko yet. Hyped to see him whenever he comes in the anime, if hes that powerful, then wow.
 

trejo

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Tasogare Otome x Amnesia 1

Was it really necessary to have us sit through the introduction two times in a row? Surely there had to be a better way to establish that the chick's
invisible to the naked eye
without resorting to blatant recycling in your very first episode.

Other than that lazy bit of work I didn't particularly dislike this and if this were any other season I could see myself giving this more of a chance but as is, I'd have to say Sankarea is my pick for supernatural moe this season and I'm gonna have to pass on this one.
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
Yes it definitely does. There are great scenes post-26. The drop in animation quality for a few episodes after 28 doesn't really matter all that much. :p

Lafiel OWNED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWddLXEM88

Well I wasn't saying they wasn't quality beyond episode 26. But as far as I remember ep27-50 were no-where near as consistently good as ep1-26!

Of course I'm happy to be proven wrong in any case.
 

duckroll

Member
Well I wasn't saying they wasn't quality beyond episode 26. But as far as I remember ep27-50 were no-where near as consistently good as ep1-26!

Of course I'm happy to be proven wrong in any case.

Consistency has nothing to do with sakuga though. Otherwise Birdy wouldn't count! :D
 

duckroll

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The games list is kind of strange. Sakuga visual novels?

Not visual novels. Animation in games. Either opening movies, or opening/intermission/ending movies, and so on. Some are FMV games, like Double Cast and Surveillance.

I actually own Surveillance, and the animation is pretty damn solid. The game is pretty fun too, like an anime Night Trap without the sexual creepster shit. Instead you're an operator of the Surveillance system for this special task force, so you monitor the cameras throughout the area in realtime as the team carries out the operation, and if you spot intruders or suspicious stuff in the various camera streams you point them out to prevent BAD END during the mission.

The entire game was developed, produced, and animated by Production IG.
 
Ah My Goddess TV 13
Skuld enters through hot tea!
Finally, our trio of goddesses is complete! And, that was a good episode. Nice to see Sklud and Keiichi bond, the infinite TV watching of Urd and I'm always amused by the rabbit shaped bugs. Hopefully with Skuld as part of the mix, the show will start becoming more livelier.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Holy shit was this frame drawn and colored in MS Paint?

Only the finest techniques known to North Korean animators!

The really strange thing about this scene is that everything looks fine, it suddenly switches to looking like this for about a second, and then everything looks fine again. It's pretty bizarre to behold.
 
Sankarea 1
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Furuya is probably the only reason Im watching, really cool character design, how does he get his hair to do that, reminds me of ritsuka. The ED is really nice, Annabel is really doing these nice ED (Anamnesis with Another and now this with Sankarea). I was entertained by this will keep watching.
 

duckroll

Member
Well that's because they're lots shorter and usually have a bigger budget per minute. You can have your best director and storyboarder work on the entire thing.

I would say the real reason is probably that a movie is one project, while a TV series is generally a parallel production where you need several episodes in production at the same time meet deadlines. So if ep1-4 are all in production at the same time, and all the best animators you can get are working on ep1, they won't be working on ep2-3. They might then work on ep4 next, or ep5, or ep6, depending on the requirements of each episode.
 

Branduil

Member
I would say the real reason is probably that a movie is one project, while a TV series is generally a parallel production where you need several episodes in production at the same time meet deadlines. So if ep1-4 are all in production at the same time, and all the best animators you can get are working on ep1, they won't be working on ep2-3. They might then work on ep4 next, or ep5, or ep6, depending on the requirements of each episode.

That is a good point. And that's another reason I guess that series with less lead-in time tend to have more inconsistent animation.
 

duckroll

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That is a good point. And that's another reason I guess that series with less lead-in time tend to have more inconsistent animation.

Or when the lead time gets burnt up, which is another common cause (I'm looking at you Eureka Seven!). I would say in terms of long running shows with the most consistent animation AND having a consistent level of regular sakuga sequences, FMA and FMA:B probably win hands down.
 
It's also a factor that tends to become more pronounced on larger shows. It's pretty much impossible to have any level of consistent quality on a long running show, while a one or two cour show can maintain a higher level of quality (although budget and lead time certainly play a large effect here).
 

frostbyte

Member
Haiyore Nyaruko-san 1

sooooooo [REDACTED].

Thank you Envelope for introducing this anime to me, my life is now complete.


<3 <3 <3 my one true ahoge~

Asumi Kana's voice fit Nyaruko so well. We just need a nishishishi~ and I'll be in the hospital.

Also, I liked the music direction. Nothing like Latin chanting in the "dramatic" moments. and it's apparently by Monaca, whose members also did Nier's OST. Fancy that.
 
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