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Spring Anime 2012 | Welcome Home, Space Cowboy
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hosannainexcelsis
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It's never a bad time for lists. Never.
What if I were to make a list of lists I'll eventually list the anime I've seen this season in?
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
More detailed Fate/Zero impressions:
I guess I didn't really post much about my thoughts other than "I don't like this" and I don't want to come off as just hating this show because others love it. I really wanted to like this show, I wanted to join the big AnimeGAF party that's goin' down. I felt I should express my thoughts more clearly, but I admit I'm not great at this so bear with me. I first want to re-state that I think the artwork, animation, music, and even the basic story premise and idea are all great. Though I will admit artwork-wise, I was not a fan of how the female's character's noses were drawn. But whatever, each show has it's quirks. The idea of a Holy Grail War to grant a wish or whatever is pretty interesting too.
But... the number one thing about any anime (yes, even more than "is this cute?"), is whether or not I like the main cast. And aside from two characters (Rider and that guy who's trying to
), I didn't like any of the cast at all. They were mostly bastards who I can't root for, spineless people who do whatever the bastards tell them to, or just plain unlikeable people. Now that's not to say I don't watch shows that have any unlikable characters. I just want to be able to like at least a majority of them, or at least find them sympathetic.
But what I hate even more than characters who are bastards, are characters who are bastards solely for the sake of shocking the audience to get a reaction. This first came for me in the first episode where
This is where the show shot straight down for me. I hate hate HATED that whole sequence. It's done solely for the purpose of getting a rise out of the audience and nothing more. There are several other ways one can convey a character is a complete and utter bastard without resorting to that. Perhaps I'm just overly sensitive to that, but... no I just could not get over that.
I spent the entirety of the rest of the show waiting for something to come along to give me some glimmer of hope that there was more than just one good guy in this show. And that day did not come (though I did get one amusing character in Rider). But I just don't enjoy shows about a bunch of bastards doing bastard things to each other and others simply for selfish power struggle bullshit. And then in Episode two we meet
I neither found this funny, nor necessary. We'd already established that the character was an evil bastard, there was no need to add that on. Again, shock value for the sake of getting a rise out of the audience and nothing more.
Episode 3 didn't do much to help endear me to the characters, and then there's a scene where
So that's why I didn't like it so much. I'm sorry I wasn't more detailed earlier, and I hope I've explained why this show did not jive with me. I hope it's not held against me here... :-(
I guess I didn't really post much about my thoughts other than "I don't like this" and I don't want to come off as just hating this show because others love it. I really wanted to like this show, I wanted to join the big AnimeGAF party that's goin' down. I felt I should express my thoughts more clearly, but I admit I'm not great at this so bear with me. I first want to re-state that I think the artwork, animation, music, and even the basic story premise and idea are all great. Though I will admit artwork-wise, I was not a fan of how the female's character's noses were drawn. But whatever, each show has it's quirks. The idea of a Holy Grail War to grant a wish or whatever is pretty interesting too.
But... the number one thing about any anime (yes, even more than "is this cute?"), is whether or not I like the main cast. And aside from two characters (Rider and that guy who's trying to
save that poor little girl
But what I hate even more than characters who are bastards, are characters who are bastards solely for the sake of shocking the audience to get a reaction. This first came for me in the first episode where
we see the mother of some girl who's just given up her daughter to some other family because it's "not her place" to say otherwise. Fucking spineless bitch who just accepts her poor poor fate and sends her daughter off to an even more miserable fate. You know, because it's "not her place". Fuck off bitch. We then see the one likable guy try to get the girl back, only for that vampire bastard guy take him down to see the poor little girl being... well if you've seen this you know the rest.
I spent the entirety of the rest of the show waiting for something to come along to give me some glimmer of hope that there was more than just one good guy in this show. And that day did not come (though I did get one amusing character in Rider). But I just don't enjoy shows about a bunch of bastards doing bastard things to each other and others simply for selfish power struggle bullshit. And then in Episode two we meet
I forget his name, starts with an R who kills a bunch of people, then saves a kid to sacrifice to a demon. Caster shows up, pretends to set the kid free only to have to gruesomely eat him in a manner terrifying to listen to.
Episode 3 didn't do much to help endear me to the characters, and then there's a scene where
that Demon Hunter guy is kissed by his assistant, he clearly didn't resist her advances which at least to me implies that he's cheating on the woman who bore his child. Oh, and he's using his child's mother solely as bait to run around with Saber so he can do his thing while this is going on.
So that's why I didn't like it so much. I'm sorry I wasn't more detailed earlier, and I hope I've explained why this show did not jive with me. I hope it's not held against me here... :-(
I'd have to find one of those Xzibit meme pics and post it here. Don't make me do that.
What happens in animu stays in animu.
Ultimadrago
Member
Until it leaks into Off Topic!
Hey Jintor, get me a cute (tested) dancing girl while you're over there.
Femmeworth
Banned
Must be because of all the 3D women.
The Grim Heaper
Member
Mawaru Penguindrum 5
Fabulous Max. Kanba is such a cool character and Ringo remains somewhat annoying when she's mad/head over heels. That scene with the truck and Kanba was just awesome.
"I don't want to be infected by yucky playboy Kanba-germs!"
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Solution! Road roller.
So is the Upotte thread the equivalent of a drunken rant into the phone with your wife on the other end?
Femmeworth
Banned
I don't see what that will accomplish, unless Jintor has a guro fetish.
Crash Station
Member
Rock Lee 2
Episode needed more Neji. Him as a boke is totally gap moe.
I really love the ED btw.
Episode needed more Neji. Him as a boke is totally gap moe.
I really love the ED btw.
No, my thread's more classy than that, you should know better than anyone else. >:3
More like that douche friend that never lets you live down that one dumb mistake, but always references it in a way that might seem innocuous if you don't think about it.
Yeah. If you were looking for cute, happy-time, moe fests with generic good guys then Fate/Zero would not be for you.
I'm kind of glad that you fleshed your opinion out, though. I thought you had technical criticisms, but it's just a matter of you being put off by how dark some of it is.
The things we do for love.
Ultimadrago
Member
So..anything good on the tube?
Ice Lightning
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Looks like my copy of Heaven's Lost Property: Forte is finally shipping from RightStuf. Now I am waiting for the English release date of the movie, and the licensing of the manga
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which will probably not happen any time soon if ever
I'll admit to lurking the thread, but I will never incriminate myself by posting.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I agree. Easily the best character in that show.
Actually the only one I actually liked.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Yeah, it's weird with me. Some times I'm good with dark stuff, but I generally have to be very invested in most of the characters. And dark stuff involving
children
A lot of the problem for me is that I don't really have anyone to really "root" for. Rider is amusing and all, but the show spends so much time flitting around from character to character and place to place that I'm not sure who I'm supposed to care for or why? Am I supposed to root for the Demon Hunter guy who summoned Saber? The pansy who summoned Rider? I'd like to root for the guy who's
trying to save Sakura
/more cents
Eugh. She's insane and obnoxious.
She doesn't deserve Shouma, and I'm glad that she doesn't get him in the end.
Also, she almost made me drop the show because of her performance in episode 4.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Yeah, I guess if you really need a 'good guy', then Fate/Zero isn't really up your alley. A lot of the characters might be 'bastards', but they're interesting bastards who have interesting motivations. But if you need someone to really root for in that way, I can see how the show wouldn't appeal to you. It's interested in morally ambiguous characters, rather than having clear cut good guys and bad guys.
It must suck having bad opinions. My condolences.
Right back at 'ya.
That usually makes sense, but Ringo crosses the line with that ridiculous motivation of
becoming her sister.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Those motivations make a perverse sort of sense when you consider
the relationship she had with her parents and the way they treated her growing up, along with the way everyone around her pretty much deified Momoka. Events like that (and especially that conversation she overheard from her parents) has a huge influence on the psyche of a young child.
The Grim Heaper
Member
Like I said, she's annoying, but tolerable. And I actually like her when she's sane.
But when she ripped off Himari's hat... oh man, that got me mad. :|
She really is fascinating. Although I find her annoying, I weirdly want more from her.
;_;
Basileus777
Member
Jormungand 1
Visually it's not all that interesting and it looks like a low budget production. There isn't a whole lot of animation in this episode and it has its fair share of bad cg cars and vehicles, including a cg car chase. It didn't really work well as an introduction episode either, it didn't present the characters in an interesting way or make me care about this "child soldier." There's also the inherent silliness of an arms dealer working for world peace who also recruits a child to work for her. Oh, and the OP's music has some funny vocoder use. I doubt I'll watch another episode of this unless I hear it dramatically improves.
Visually it's not all that interesting and it looks like a low budget production. There isn't a whole lot of animation in this episode and it has its fair share of bad cg cars and vehicles, including a cg car chase. It didn't really work well as an introduction episode either, it didn't present the characters in an interesting way or make me care about this "child soldier." There's also the inherent silliness of an arms dealer working for world peace who also recruits a child to work for her. Oh, and the OP's music has some funny vocoder use. I doubt I'll watch another episode of this unless I hear it dramatically improves.
Cities decimated by the Scub Coral in the past maybe?
Anyways:
young headstrong boy
abusive adult
melancholy
colors!
Yeah, its E7.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
It's not so much about "good guys" and "bad guys" as much as it is someone I can get behind and root for. I can get behind a bastard if I find them interesting and likeable (like the original Han Solo), but I just didn't see anything about the ones in Fate/Zero that interested me. The one guy who I did like got much less screen-time than the others, and all the others seemed like they were just power hungry or psychotic (or both). Perhaps it's a pacing issue that's dealt with later in the show, but if it takes me that long to find redeeming value it's poorly done.
It's a shame too, as I said I love the artwork and animation (except for the noses) and the premise itself is interesting. Had the characters been presented in a more interesting manner I might have been more okay with the darker stuff.
Femmeworth
Banned
Sounds like it's as Jexhius predicted.
dakkumauji
Member
Ah My Goddess TV 14
Fun episode. I like the match of robot building then collecting barrels between Skuld and Megumi. It really does build onto Skuld's character, so I guess we're in a Skuld arc as she gets another episode next too.
Skuld, the mechanical genius!
Fun episode. I like the match of robot building then collecting barrels between Skuld and Megumi. It really does build onto Skuld's character, so I guess we're in a Skuld arc as she gets another episode next too.
Basileus777
Member
Yes, I'd say those doubting White Fox look right so far. The direction and animation in that episode...were not impressive to say the least.
I can understand your position and Fate/Zero isn't a particularly pretty anime to watch. As KuwabaraTheMan already said, there isn't really a truly 'good' guy. Every Master has their own motivations and agendas and every Servant is a 'hero' who has attained their title through slaughtering, whether for a good or bad cause. The war for the Holy Grail, a miracle that everyone wants, brings out the worst of them and Urobuchi weaves his usual dark and morally ambiguous tale around the tragedy and suffering.
I find the characters and their motivations fascinating but I can see why other people won't. Have you read someting like Liar Game? It's much the same where a group of people aim for a certain prize and their greed strips away their usual facade, revealing their fundamental human attributes and motivations.
chickdigger802
Banned
meh... gonna start watching ToraDora.... Where should my expectations be?
A great romcom with lots of Kugiloli.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
This is true. Of course, only one character is capable of achieving Ringo-tier, which is the highest tier of awesome available.
Masako kind of annoyed me for half of the series, and then everything about her clicked into place and those annoying things became retroactively awesome.
The problem is with the mech as it's a major part of the current series and as such I would expect it to be a newer model.
A big part of the original E7 was the scale. Limiting it to Okinawa I think is going to lose a lot of that charm.
Have you seen Ano Natsu de Matteru? If so, expect a longer version of that.
Longer and far superior, of course.
Watching
Accel World
Fate/Zero
Haiyoru! Nyaruko-san
Kore wa Zombie desu ka? of the Dead
Kuruko no Basket
Lupin the Third: The Woman called Fujiko Mine
Saki Achiga-hen
Sankarea
Upotte!
Planning to watch
Sakamichi no Apollon
Hyouka
AKB0048
Undecided
Eureka Seven Ao
Jormungand
Tasogare Otome x Amnesia
Medaka Box
Mysterious Girlfriend X
Can anyone tell me if I can watch Eureka Seven Ao without watching Eureka Seven? I'm planning to watch it someday but not now.
The only truly lovable Kugiloli and one of the only instances where Okadabot can actually write well.
Far better though with a likeable main girl protagonist.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I haven't read Liar Game, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be up my alley. People tell me similar things about Battle Royale and The Hunger Games, but I can't bring myself to read/watch those either. :-/ I guess where most people I know find intrigue, I find depressing stories that just make me want to hate everyone. :-/
But on that note...
Fate Stay/Night 01:
This is like, the exact opposite of Fate/Zero. The artwork/animation aren't up to snuff and there's less going on. But I like it more at the moment. Except for the main character who I don't care for, I already like the rest of the cast a lot more. Or at least I don't hate them as much. When I have more time I may watch more of this.
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