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Square Enix: FFXV shipments + digital sales top 5 million worldwide

real numbers in that context means sold to consumers, not shipped to retailers (on top of digital copy sold)

You can try to hide a decline or to reach a milestone by boosting the shipment. GungHo did that with Puzzle & Dragons in Japan, and Level 5 too with Yokai 3. And Square is certainly not afraid of overshipping, if you look at their history.

By real I meant sold to consumers, the numbers that matter.

It's not a "real" number in the sense that it represents only how many copies Square Enix have shipped to stores - not how many copies consumers have actually bought. We're not getting reliable retail estimates until the next NPD/PAL charts/MC.

GAF is usually quick to point out this inaccuracy, and this thread isn't any different.

I had assumed it was shipped numbers and not sold to consumers. I'm sure most people here did. It still strikes me as a healthy amount of copies to get out there in the wild for a game that's not even a week old.
 
Because usually sold means sold through. 5 mio. is shipped + sold digital.

And the title doesn't say "SE has sold 5 mio.", read again, "were sold" heavily implies sold through.

The 5M in question is Sold to Retailers and Digital. If you're SE, you sold 5M copies. The title is still factually correct.
 
I'll just say this before the thread takes a downturn. Good Job SE. Hopefully the game continues to sell well. I'm having a damn good time with it.

Yep. I love XIV so FF hasn't been "dead" to me for a long time (XII is probably my favourite)...but regardless, I have a lot of emotions and memories wrapped up in the series so when I left Hammerhead in the Regalia and set the music to play and this and the Prelude kicked in I just smiled...So good.

I think I remember Schrier/Press Sneak Fuck remarking on how one of the XV trailers had a version of the Classic FF theme and how it just conjured up those feelings and nostalgia, but in the best way. Nostalgia is a heavy burden to bear but XV handles it well, I think. I feel having an array of classic tracks is going to have to become a trademark feature going forward.
 
SE breathing that sigh of relief.

And so am I. After FFXIV: ARR and FFXV the series has proven it still has a future even after the disaster that was FFXIII. FFXIV: ARR is fantastic and I cannot wait to pick up FFXV later this month.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
The 5M in question is Sold to Retailers and Digital. If you're SE, you sold 5M copies. The title is still factually correct.

Shipped/sold-in is almost always clearly mentioned in the sales threads in the OP and also in the title usually.

But I understand that you like the confusion for whatever reason. So I give up on this discussion as it leads nowhere.
 
It is not...

SE sold-in 5m copies including digital.

That is correct.

Thread OP needs to be fixed like happens with every other game.

I'm confused >_> Would we assume that "SE sold-in 5m copies" to not mean in all formats (inc digital)?

Maybe I'm being pedantic but i feel i'm missing the point.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I'm confused >_> Would we assume that "SE sold-in 5m copies" to not mean in all formats (inc digital)?

Maybe I'm being pedantic but i feel i'm missing the point.
FFXV sold-in plus digital sales reached 5 million units.

The thread title needs to have accurate info and not spin... that is the point with every sales thread in GAF... give us accurate info about the sales of the games.
 

zelas

Member
I had assumed it was shipped numbers and not sold to consumers. I'm sure most people here did. It still strikes me as a healthy amount of copies to get out there in the wild for a game that's not even a week old.
Not if they just sit on the shelves before being blown out in clearance.
 

Shahadan

Member
I expect many copies in the used bin very quickly. Here I already paid almost half of the regular price and that was brand new and day one.

Maybe a good word of mouth will help though.
 

koutoru

Member
Unless the publisher specifies otherwise, you can usually assume "sold" means shipped to retailers (in this case it's retailers + digital).
If it was sold through to consumers the publisher would usually make a point of specifying so.
 

Zedark

Member
i would say they already started with that 1-2 years ago

Verendus said they would only start with it if XV was a success!
lol

I would guess they have been working on it for that amount of time, yeah, so maybe in 2-3 years it could be out.
 

Scrawnton

Member
Well deserved. In my opinion, it's easily one of the top 5 final fantasy games of all time. I'm only 15 hours in right now, though. Depending on how things play out it may take my number one.
 

Venom Fox

Banned
I hope the DLC (the multilayer one) goes down like this:


The story goes, that while trying to take Insomnia, Niflhiem accidentally created millions of alternate universes (other players stories). Noctis and Co (in every universe) find out and are told that the first Noctis that takes Eos's throne as the true king destroys all other universes.

Each separate Noctis and Co decide to use the portals to their advantage and invade the world's of other Noctis's and sabotage the alternate parties stories.

This creates a Dark Souls type invasion mechanic where, when a player invades another player they have to figure out where the party is and destroy them all. Summons are active on demand and this could create massive battles with multiple summons all battling whilst both parties are battling it out on the ground.
 

kswiston

Member
I'm curious to see how the inevitable PC release is handled. They will either need to price it at $40 or include all of the DLC for immediate success, given that it is likely to be late by several months.
 
Verendus said they would only start with it if XV was a success!
lol

I would guess they have been working on it for that amount of time, yeah, so maybe in 2-3 years it could be out.

he actually said that they already started working on it (by 2014)

But i wasn't really reffering to him. It has more to do with those ITO Rumours (him working on game since the last gen) also kitase mentioning FFXVI in the past
 
So are the XV team and Tabata moving into new projects or current ones like KHIII and FFVII?
A good chunk are probably working on dlc, and also I think Tabata said he doesn't want to work on another ff title for awhile(understandable but Rip type-1)
 

Venom Fox

Banned
So are the XV team and Tabata moving into new projects or current ones like KHIII and FFVII?
I hope so. With the FFVII:R game having multiple parts and each part being a full 30 hour FF game sized story, it'd make sense. Plus I want it next year!
 

kromeo

Member
I'm curious to see how the inevitable PC release is handled. They will either need to price it at $40 or include all of the DLC for immediate success, given that it is likely to be late by several months.

Several months is very optimistic
 
I would suspect they'd be happy just to get it out and start re-building the name of the FF brand after XIII royally dumped on it.
If it makes a profit then bonus.
 

Scrawnton

Member
So are the XV team and Tabata moving into new projects or current ones like KHIII and FFVII?
Id imagine that since they have a grip on the engine, they might begin FF16. Tabata must have ideas in his mind for what he wants a game to be considering he was making a game that someone else mostly designed (character and setting wise).
 
That's a good figure. Hopefully the game has a long tail with good word of mouth, I mean it's got me tempted to pick it up in the future and I have only a small cursory interest in the series.

Hopefully TLG performs well at launch too since it's also a game that's been long awaited.
 

Nya

Member
Tabata and co are probably moving to work on their new IP/FFXV DLC/PC version, there is no way they'll help in other projects they've got their hands full already.

Also, I don't think they're working XVI at all at this point.
 
So I guess that so-called decline in popularity for the franchise was a myth then? People have been saying for years now that Final Fantasy isn't the name it once was, but if XV can pull in impressive numbers like this then I'd say it's still an IP that's very much flourishing.

Of course, Remake will blow XV out of the water.

We'll see what happens, but there was zero evidence of a decline and I've been saying as such for years. Saying Final Fantasy as a brand had diminished and using the sales of two direct sequels to FFXIII and a bunch of spin offs as representative of diluted brand strength never made sense.

FFXV's success (or lack thereof) will show what sort of damage the past 6 years have done to the brand, if any.
 

Fisico

Member
It only matters with Final Fantasy apperently. You could make the case for pokemon sales declining in Japan but more people are emotionally invested with ff

FFXV is on track sell around half what FFXIII did, Sun/Moon has so far a weaker start than X/Y by ~10% (and likely stronger digital sales which soften the drop), it's also a bit too early to assume what its LTD sales will be since, unlike Final Fantasy, Pokemon titles sell a big amount of copies after launch.
 
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